Here you go. Tossed in Gudas for you too.
- Tomahawk

I won't even pretend to understand what those charts mean. Who's the best of those three?

Thats the mistake that Braun made whe. McJesus picked his pocket. He had postion, all he had to do was chip it i to the corner
- KINGKENZO

Braun never had possession of the puck. He stumbled a bit trying to get back. McDavid hooked his stick and overtook him to get the puck. The real mistake was made by Hart trying for the poke check.

There wasn't a puck play to be made there. McD and Braun got to the puck at the same time basically, and McD's stick is a lot quicker than Braun's.
- Tomahawk

Not sure why people are all over Braun for that play, it's Mcdavid, that was one of his 5 points... Let it be. Yes, no stick play to be made, bouncing puck is always a crap situation for a Dman.

Braun never had possession of the puck. He stumbled a bit trying to get back. McDavid hooked his stick and overtook him to get the puck. The real mistake was made by Hart trying for the poke check.
- MJL

Correct.

In 1999, Mike Modano broke his wrist in Game 2 of the SCF, got a cast, played the rest of the playoffs and figured in the last 6 goals his team scored to win the Cup.

Tavares broke a finger and is out 2-3 weeks minimum.
- jmatchett383

in fairness to Tavares, anatomically, it's easier to immobilize a wrist to fit the uniform. It is, probably impossible to put a hockey glove on with one of the fingers splinted.
Additionally, I believe there is an urgency difference between game 7 of the season and game 3 of the SCF.

Not sure why people are all over Braun for that play, it's Mcdavid, that was one of his 5 points... Let it be. Yes, no stick play to be made, bouncing puck is always a crap situation for a Dman.
- ClaudeFather

Totally agreed.

Like I've been telling others....McDavid does that to a LOT of NHL defensemen better than Braun....and that's not an insult on Braun.

Not sure why people are all over Braun for that play, it's Mcdavid, that was one of his 5 points... Let it be. Yes, no stick play to be made, bouncing puck is always a crap situation for a Dman.
- ClaudeFather

Correct - after all it is Connor F'n McDavid. I've only seen 1 Dman figure out a way to eliminate McDavid for any period of time and he scored a goal on us last night.

I won't even pretend to understand what those charts mean. Who's the best of those three?
- Scoob

Think of it as hot and cold areas of the ice for the opposition while the player is on the ice. Red being places where they get shots to the net more often, blue less often. The higher the intensity of the color, the more shots from that area. The more blue, the better the player did at 'defending' that area of the ice. The number at the top shows the total zone average.

Gudas was the best, both in terms of overall zone efficiency, and shutting opponents down in the danger areas in front of the net (big patch of blue).

AMac's you can see he's blocking a lot of incoming from the right point, but susceptible backdoor. Prov's shows general efficiency, and aggressiveness to the FO dot, but a tendency to give up chances in the slot.

Not sure where you're getting the idea that Vigneault or anyone thinks that Hayes is the #1 center on this team. Hayes is a scoring threat.
- MJL

In case you missed the first five games Hayes has been centering the first line with Giroux. Hayes a scoring threat, of course he is, so is Braun, give them an open net and they might bury it. Hayes is 27 years old and has been a 36-54 point scorer in his career and and average of 45 points over the last 5 years. If he is hired to score goals and rack up points this team is in serious trouble. I think everyone but you realizes that Hayes in not going to fill the net. He can and will be very useful but not on line one or first pp unit. There are far better options. I just hope management does not want to justify the big dollars for goals because it won't happen. I remember when Hayes was in the doghouse in NY, last year he had his best season and he is work 7 million, lol Good for him though, not his fault.

Braun never had possession of the puck. He stumbled a bit trying to get back. McDavid hooked his stick and overtook him to get the puck. The real mistake was made by Hart trying for the poke check.
- MJL

Wrong again, Braun should have blocked McDavid from overtaking him instead of being schooled. Blaming Hart is ridiculous but then again you know everything, lol

There wasn't a puck play to be made there. McD and Braun got to the puck at the same time basically, and McD's stick is a lot quicker than Braun's.
- Tomahawk

braun was there, sheilded McDavid and fumbled, McDavid jumped him...boom. If he plays it to the corner when he arrives, its nullified....There was a play, to chip it not try to control it

so everyone is conceding our dmen aren't good enough?

braun was there, sheilded McDavid and fumbled, McDavid jumped him...boom. If he plays it to the corner when he arrives, its nullified....There was a play, to chip it not try to control it
- KINGKENZO

He can't, because as somebody else said, McD's stick was already tying up his before he can even touch the puck. Check out the replay from Hart's angle, it's a bit clearer from there.



Edit: Here's the screencap of the instant the puck lands on the ice. McD's stick is already on Braun's

in fairness to Tavares, anatomically, it's easier to immobilize a wrist to fit the uniform. It is, probably impossible to put a hockey glove on with one of the fingers splinted.
Additionally, I believe there is an urgency difference between game 7 of the season and game 3 of the SCF.
- missingmike

Bobby Baun blocked a slapshot and broke his leg, he continued to play the rest of the game and even scored the game winner. Now that man was a warrior. Toronto Maple Leafs April 23 1964 He scored a overtime winner on a broken leg.

In case you missed the first five games Hayes has been centering the first line with Giroux. Hayes a scoring threat, of course he is, so is Braun, give them an open net and they might bury it. Hayes is 27 years old and has been a 36-54 point scorer in his career and and average of 45 points over the last 5 years. If he is hired to score goals and rack up points this team is in serious trouble. I think everyone but you realizes that Hayes in not going to fill the net. He can and will be very useful but not on line one or first pp unit. There are far better options. I just hope management does not want to justify the big dollars for goals because it won't happen. I remember when Hayes was in the doghouse in NY, last year he had his best season and he is work 7 million, lol Good for him though, not his fault.
- joegreif17

So in Toronto, with Matthews on one line and Taveras on another, which line is the first line? Which player is not a first line center? In Pittsburgh with Crosby centering one line and Malkin centering another line, which line is the first line and which player is not a first line center? How about back in the day with Edmonton with Gretzky centering one line and Messier centering another?

The idea of hockey to build as many good quality lines as you can. That's what the coaching staff is trying to do. Has nothing to do with who they view or don't view as a #1 center. I would think with someone with as much GM experience as you have would know that.

You have no clue what I realize or don't realize.

he has position as he gains the blue line. Braun has his stick at his body instead of stretched out to poke. This allows McJesus to trap his stick and hop around him. Brauns intent was to gain possession rather than knock the puck away

Wrong again, Braun should have blocked McDavid from overtaking him instead of being schooled. Blaming Hart is ridiculous but then again you know everything, lol
- joegreif17

He wasn't schooled. Blocking him would of resulted in an interference penalty. Maybe that would of had a better result if they could've killed off the penalty but who knows. Hart made a mistake trying to poke check there. MacDavid is too skilled. He'll learn.

That's not even close to being true for Couturier. His line has been the best one all season, not by coincidence. Just yesterday AV said that whoever plays with Couturier gets scoring chances.
- Feanor

Sorry a fair point on your part as I was just looking at G,+a=p though before last night thr top six outside of TK really didn't have much that way

he has position as he gains the blue line. Braun has his stick at his body instead of stretched out to poke. This allows McJesus to trap his stick and hop around him. Brauns intent was to gain possession rather than knock the puck away
- KINGKENZO

Braun stumbled, loosing his balance for a bit.

So in Toronto, with Matthews on one line and Taveras on another, which line is the first line? Which player is not a first line center? In Pittsburgh with Crosby centering one line and Malkin centering another line, which line is the first line and which player is not a first line center? How about back in the day with Edmonton with Gretzky centering one line and Messier centering another?

The idea of hockey to build as many good quality lines as you can. That's what the coaching staff is trying to do. Has nothing to do with who they view or don't view as a #1 center. I would think with someone with as much GM experience as you have would know that.

You have no clue what I realize or don't realize.
- MJL

Man you are dumber than I thought, everyone realizes what you just said. You missed my point entirely because you are pretty thick. Has anyone of those centers you mentioned every had a career average 45 points? The answer is most of them somewhere around 80, not 45 like Hayes. Please do not even insult those great players by mentioning Hayes in the same breath, my god. Shoot me now!

He can't, because as somebody else said, McD's stick was already tying up his before he can even touch the puck. Check out the replay from Hart's angle, it's a bit clearer from there.



Edit: Here's the screencap of the instant the puck lands on the ice. McD's stick is already on Braun's


- Tomahawk

Really since McDavid is behind Braun, should've been a hooking penalty on McDavid.

Man you are dumber than I thought, everyone realizes what you just said. You missed my point entirely because you are pretty thick. Has anyone of those centers you mentioned every had a career average 45 points? The answer is most of them somewhere around 80, not 45 like Hayes. Please do not even insult those great players by mentioning Hayes in the same breath, my god. Shoot me now!
- joegreif17

Point went right over your head.

Braun stumbled, loosing his balance for a bit.
- MJL

The fact is Braun was half asleep not even realizing McDavid was on the ice. He just got plain out skated and stripped of the puck by a great player. It happens but stop making excuses, stumbling is not a hockey term. It is more like I was reading HB and I stumbled across some of MJL nonsense.

The fact is Braun was half asleep not even realizing McDavid was on the ice. He just got plain out skated and stripped of the puck by a great player. It happens but stop making excuses, stumbling is not a hockey term. It is more like I was reading HB and I stumbled across some of MJL nonsense.
- joegreif17

I didn't know half asleep was a hockey term.


I'm quite sure Braun knew that McDavid was on the ice.

Really since McDavid is behind Braun, should've been a hooking penalty on McDavid.
- MJL

Both officials shielded from seeing the hook to the hands, based on the replay.

Still a fantastic display by McDavid. Braun was victimized.