Some of us would, because Myers is flashier. I want a player back there who does the job of getting the puck the hell out of the defensive zone, which Hagg does.
- CupOnBroadSt.

Hagg consistently has a negative relative corsi to the rest of the team, meaning he gives up plenty of shots. Last time I checked shots lead to goals

Often times Hagg just chips the puck out of the zone, straight to the other team, who then just re-enter the zone with possession

How good is Morin? Hagg and Morin play the same style, except one is really tall.
- SuperSchennBros

I'm not asking for Morin to enter? I have no idea how good morin is he hasn't played at all for like 2 years. I want myers

Hagg consistently has a negative relative corsi to the rest of the team, meaning he gives up plenty of shots. Last time I checked shots lead to goals

Often times Hagg just chips the puck out of the zone, straight to the other team, who then just re-enter the zone with possession
- bulet13

Yes, but more shots does not automatically mean more goals. Last night being a great example. I agree he lacks a good transition game, but more shots does not equal more goals.

right, then move the puck or move your skates. to me this is where he needs to adjust his game. Players know if you play him aggressive now he will panic and or be concentrating on avoiding the body.
- Peter Richards

he just hasn't looked as dynamic as his did his first few seasons.

Yes, but more shots does not automatically mean more goals. Last night being a great example. I agree he lacks a good transition game, but more shots does not equal more goals.
- jmatchett383

Exactly, a team can have a 100 shots but it does them no good if they are perimeter shots. Location of the shots are everything. Edmonton had to many shots from the slot area last night

Hagg consistently has a negative relative corsi to the rest of the team, meaning he gives up plenty of shots. Last time I checked shots lead to goals

Often times Hagg just chips the puck out of the zone, straight to the other team, who then just re-enter the zone with possession
- bulet13

you watch the game last night

Hagg consistently has a negative relative corsi to the rest of the team, meaning he gives up plenty of shots. Last time I checked shots lead to goals

Often times Hagg just chips the puck out of the zone, straight to the other team, who then just re-enter the zone with possession
- bulet13

That is what he is supposed to do. You dont always have the chance to make a play. Players are quick on the forcheck and often times you need to move the puck the second you touch it. Chip play is a common defensive play. Your wingers need to be on the boards to support

Exactly, a team can have a 100 shots but it does them no good if they are perimeter shots. Location of the shots are everything. Edmonton had to many shots from the slot area last night
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Hockey isn't played in a vacuum. It's such a dynamic game that if you take 100 identical shots from an identical location, the other 11 players on the ice, not to mention things like equipment and ice conditions, will give you maybe 30 different results. So while it's a tool, shot/shot attempt differential does not equate to goal differential.

That is what he is supposed to do. You dont always have the chance to make a play. Players are quick on the forcheck and often times you need to move the puck the second you touch it. Chip play is a common defensive play. Your wingers need to be on the boards to support
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

No, what you're SUPPOSED to do is gain puck possession and transition the puck with control out of the zone. That's the preferable method. If you chip it up the boards, you're creating, at best, a 50/50 battle for your winger and their defenseman is moving towards the puck with momentum. Throwing it out to center isn't the worst idea, but it usually results in transition for the opposition.

They have no excuses on Sat night. Struggling team on 2nd night of back to back. While we may not be thrilled with our record through 5 games, the Stars have been downright pathetic in the games I've watched so far. 3 3rd period blown leads.

Got Western Canada out of the way, now let's get moving. Jake broke through last night, who's next: G or JVR??

They have no excuses on Sat night. Struggling team on 2nd night of back to back. While we may not be thrilled with our record through 5 games, the Stars have been downright pathetic in the games I've watched so far. 3 3rd period blown leads.

Got Western Canada out of the way, now let's get moving. Jake broke through last night, who's next: G or JVR??
- bgratch

Agreed. They need to get it done Sat, and the old first home game back after a long road trip lay an egg thing is not gonna fly. Bring the kid right back in goal, then play like you damn well need the win.

remember when patrick pushed out vechinone?

Hagg consistently has a negative relative corsi to the rest of the team, meaning he gives up plenty of shots. Last time I checked shots lead to goals

Often times Hagg just chips the puck out of the zone, straight to the other team, who then just re-enter the zone with possession
- bulet13

apparently not last night

remember when patrick pushed out vechinone?
- 2Real

No, but I remember when Lehtera, Weal, and Filppula did they year before they drafted Patrick.

People make it sound like Ghost is single handedly sinking the team D, but the cold hard fact is the team's only been scored on 1 time when he's been on the ice so far. Based on expected goals #'s, he's been helping effectively limit scoring chance quality too.

The puck gaffes and turnovers stick out in people's minds, but overall he's not the problem defensively. On the other hand, Braun has been peppered with goals and chances, Prov's been on the ice for a lot of GA and Sanheim's been shaky.

JVR is a 12.6% shooter over the last 6+ seasons (and shot at a career-best 16.2 percent rate last year). That puts him in the upper portion of the league (players in same range are Patrick Kane at 12.8% , Vladimir Tarasenko at 12.7%).


Konecny is 12.4%, Lindblom 10.5%, Giroux 10.1%, Voracek 8.3%.
- bmeltzer

Yeah but how many more shots do Tarasenko and Kane take as opposed to said Flyers?

Hey, lay off of Justin Grossmann Schenn Lauridsen Braun.
- jmatchett383

well played

People make it sound like Ghost is single handedly sinking the team D, but the cold hard fact is the team's only been scored on 1 time when he's been on the ice so far. Based on expected goals #'s, he's been helping effectively limit scoring chance quality too.

The puck gaffes and turnovers stick out in people's minds, but overall he's not the problem defensively. On the other hand, Braun has been peppered with goals and chances, Prov's been on the ice for a lot of GA and Sanheim's been shaky.
- Tomahawk

he had more SOG yesterday so he's not missing the goalie as much i hope he turns a corner

No, what you're SUPPOSED to do is gain puck possession and transition the puck with control out of the zone. That's the preferable method. If you chip it up the boards, you're creating, at best, a 50/50 battle for your winger and their defenseman is moving towards the puck with momentum. Throwing it out to center isn't the worst idea, but it usually results in transition for the opposition.
- jmatchett383

coach joey

Hagg consistently has a negative relative corsi to the rest of the team, meaning he gives up plenty of shots. Last time I checked shots lead to goals

Often times Hagg just chips the puck out of the zone, straight to the other team, who then just re-enter the zone with possession
- bulet13

Anything relating to Corsi has been dead for 3 years now

I know people have written articles over and over trying to sell every type of Corsi breakdown from adjusted to danger zone attempts, but the at the end of the day it is based off SHOT ATTEMPTS. Others read these articles and think sure that makes so much sense because they wrote lots of numbers so it must be accurate, but it is based off a FORECASTING FORMULA, not a who is good and who is bad formula.

If Corsi was used in baseball then it would be the equivalent to every time a teammate clapped his hands in the dugout the batter's on base percentage went up, but if a fielder scratched his nuts then it goes down. It really is that logically flawed.

If the argument that any player is good or bad starts with Corsi rating then it ended before it began.

Anything relating to Corsi has been dead for 3 years now

I know people have written articles over and over trying to sell every type of Corsi breakdown from adjusted to danger zone attempts, but the at the end of the day it is based off SHOT ATTEMPTS. Others read these articles and think sure that makes so much sense because they wrote lots of numbers so it must be accurate, but it is based off a FORECASTING FORMULA, not a who is good and who is bad formula.

If Corsi was used in baseball then it would be the equivalent to every time a teammate clapped his hands in the dugout the batter's on base percentage went up, but if a fielder scratched his nuts then it goes down. It really is that logically flawed.

If the argument that any player is good or bad starts with Corsi rating then it ended before it began.
- Glak18

Cool hes also bad by the eye test and most other stats. People argue Hagg is good because he limits the other teams time in the offensive zone. There is nothing- not eye, normal stats, or "advanced" stats- to support this glorified ideal of him

Anything relating to Corsi has been dead for 3 years now

I know people have written articles over and over trying to sell every type of Corsi breakdown from adjusted to danger zone attempts, but the at the end of the day it is based off SHOT ATTEMPTS. Others read these articles and think sure that makes so much sense because they wrote lots of numbers so it must be accurate, but it is based off a FORECASTING FORMULA, not a who is good and who is bad formula.

If Corsi was used in baseball then it would be the equivalent to every time a teammate clapped his hands in the dugout the batter's on base percentage went up, but if a fielder scratched his nuts then it goes down. It really is that logically flawed.

If the argument that any player is good or bad starts with Corsi rating then it ended before it began.
- Glak18

what were the launch angles of the shots yesterday maybe they weren't high enough?

People make it sound like Ghost is single handedly sinking the team D, but the cold hard fact is the team's only been scored on 1 time when he's been on the ice so far. Based on expected goals #'s, he's been helping effectively limit scoring chance quality too.

The puck gaffes and turnovers stick out in people's minds, but overall he's not the problem defensively. On the other hand, Braun has been peppered with goals and chances, Prov's been on the ice for a lot of GA and Sanheim's been shaky.
- Tomahawk

TOI, situationally, line matchups? He's looked like sh!t. I'd like to see my most skilled offensive dman handle the damn puck. He's not the reason we are 2-2-1 but he's not helping. 1 goal he creates can change a loss to a win, same can be said for some other guys but Ghost is not doing what's expected of him.

what were the launch angles of the shots yesterday maybe they weren't high enough?
- 2Real

68 degrees consistently. so close to a great game.

Hagg consistently has a negative relative corsi to the rest of the team, meaning he gives up plenty of shots. Last time I checked shots lead to goals

Often times Hagg just chips the puck out of the zone, straight to the other team, who then just re-enter the zone with possession
- bulet13

Relative Corsi is an absoluty awful stat. Lets compare player who play with different linemates, in different situations, against different opponents and see how they compare to their teammates.