If the Dallas front office calls Benn a poophead what are they gonna call Jake?
- hereticpride

Same thing with a southern drawl

Same thing with a southern drawl
- DaveofYork

The problem w/ Hagg is that basically plays like a pilon. Sits in one area (see the big blue dot next left of the net) while a shooting gallery ensues around him. Notice how ineffective he's been at actually defending the slot, tops of the circles and the net front (red stuff). You'd expect a SAH crease clearer to protect the house better, but Hagg is way too conservative, doesn't challenge far enough up the ice, and doesn't shut down passing lanes aggressively enough.

In turn, it impacts his ability to transition, since he's defending reactively and he's retrieving the puck and trying to outlet from so deep in his own zone.

Do want to say that I think he's capable of being a better player than this.

benn makes a little too much for it to be a 1 for 1 swap. the other players i would be interested in all make too much as well. Someone mentioned jake and ghost for benn and cogliano. he's a good player, but with jake having less money and less years i would want klingberg. don't think they would do it.

benn makes a little too much for it to be a 1 for 1 swap. the other players i would be interested in all make too much as well. Someone mentioned jake and ghost for benn and cogliano. he's a good player, but with jake having less money and less years i would want klingberg. don't think they would do it.
- Peter Richards

You could do Benn Honka

The problem w/ Hagg is that basically plays like a pilon. Sits in one area (see the big blue dot next left of the net) while a shooting gallery ensues around him. Notice how ineffective he's been at actually defending the slot, tops of the circles and the net front (red stuff). You'd expect a SAH crease clearer to protect the house better, but Hagg is way too conservative, doesn't challenge far enough up the ice, and doesn't shut down passing lanes aggressively enough.

In turn, it impacts his ability to transition, since he's defending reactively and he's retrieving the puck and trying to outlet from so deep in his own zone.

Do want to say that I think he's capable of being a better player than this.
- Tomahawk

Well If Haag was the only Flyer on the ice, that data might be relevant.

The problem w/ Hagg is that basically plays like a pilon. Sits in one area (see the big blue dot next left of the net) while a shooting gallery ensues around him. Notice how ineffective he's been at actually defending the slot, tops of the circles and the net front (red stuff). You'd expect a SAH crease clearer to protect the house better, but Hagg is way too conservative, doesn't challenge far enough up the ice, and doesn't shut down passing lanes aggressively enough.

In turn, it impacts his ability to transition, since he's defending reactively and he's retrieving the puck and trying to outlet from so deep in his own zone.

Do want to say that I think he's capable of being a better player than this.
- Tomahawk

In comes the "stats are bad" crowd

Well If Haag was the only Flyer on the ice, that data might be relevant.
- MJL

This model already accounts for teammate and opposition effects, as the creator has posted many times on twitter

Hence the chart being called "isolated inpact"

This model already accounts for teammate and opposition effects, as the creator has posted many times on twitter
- bulet13

Stat heads have been fraudulently claiming that they can isolate one player for years. They cant.

The problem w/ Hagg is that basically plays like a pilon. Sits in one area (see the big blue dot next left of the net) while a shooting gallery ensues around him. Notice how ineffective he's been at actually defending the slot, tops of the circles and the net front (red stuff). You'd expect a SAH crease clearer to protect the house better, but Hagg is way too conservative, doesn't challenge far enough up the ice, and doesn't shut down passing lanes aggressively enough.

In turn, it impacts his ability to transition, since he's defending reactively and he's retrieving the puck and trying to outlet from so deep in his own zone.

Do want to say that I think he's capable of being a better player than this.
- Tomahawk

everyone was bad last year

The problem w/ Hagg is that basically plays like a pilon. Sits in one area (see the big blue dot next left of the net) while a shooting gallery ensues around him. Notice how ineffective he's been at actually defending the slot, tops of the circles and the net front (red stuff). You'd expect a SAH crease clearer to protect the house better, but Hagg is way too conservative, doesn't challenge far enough up the ice, and doesn't shut down passing lanes aggressively enough.

In turn, it impacts his ability to transition, since he's defending reactively and he's retrieving the puck and trying to outlet from so deep in his own zone.

Do want to say that I think he's capable of being a better player than this.
- Tomahawk

Nerds are destroying sports

Stat heads have been fraudulently claiming that they can isolate one player for years. They cant.
- MJL

Why am I supposed to trust you over them? Where is your proof that they cant. Do you have a PhD in stats like many of these guys do?

This is very classic you. Some evidence disproves what you say. You dismiss their evidence without any of your own. Please explain how it is impossible to isolate one player like you claim

Why am I supposed to trust you over them? Where I'd your proof that they cant. Do you have a PhD in stats like many of these guys do?
- bulet13

Judging by how he can't tell the difference between scoring chances and shots in a table, I'd say you're better off not trusting him.

The problem w/ Hagg is that basically plays like a pilon. Sits in one area (see the big blue dot next left of the net) while a shooting gallery ensues around him. Notice how ineffective he's been at actually defending the slot, tops of the circles and the net front (red stuff). You'd expect a SAH crease clearer to protect the house better, but Hagg is way too conservative, doesn't challenge far enough up the ice, and doesn't shut down passing lanes aggressively enough.

In turn, it impacts his ability to transition, since he's defending reactively and he's retrieving the puck and trying to outlet from so deep in his own zone.

Do want to say that I think he's capable of being a better player than this.
- Tomahawk

I think that I saw a picture like this on an episode of Spongebob.

Nerds are destroying sports
- hereticpride

Did the Flyers know this before the draft?
- PLindbergh31

I think they did. Dismissed it obviously. Hoping for Joe Thorton, but now they have Michael Neuvirth.

If they knew before the draft it wouldn't have taken this long for them to diagnose it this year so the OP (not you) is just making revisionist history
- bulet13

Not revisionist history, I am asking a question. And if they did not know shame on them for not digging deep enough if theres a clear family history including him. I am not expecting a full DNA workup to see if he will father children with 2 heads and Taysachs and a seafood allergy, but #2 overall in the draft is a rare opportunity.
Not digging deep is an indictment of Hexy and the staff, Its paper pushing not nights scouting

Why am I supposed to trust you over them? Where is your proof that they cant. Do you have a PhD in stats like many of these guys do?

This is very classic you. Some evidence disproves what you say. You dismiss their evidence without any of your own. Please explain how it is impossible to isolate one player like you claim
- bulet13

If I was asking you to trust me over the stat heads, you might have a point. I have not asked you to do that. Follow my posts previously. It's not hard. I've been asking you to trust the coaching staff and the GM over the stat heads.
If need be, I'll explain to you what they do compared to the stat heads. You're right, it is classic me.

Judging by how he can't tell the difference between scoring chances and shots in a table, I'd say you're better off not trusting him.


- Tomahawk

I already dont

He is fun however

The problem w/ Hagg is that basically plays like a pilon. Sits in one area (see the big blue dot next left of the net) while a shooting gallery ensues around him. Notice how ineffective he's been at actually defending the slot, tops of the circles and the net front (red stuff). You'd expect a SAH crease clearer to protect the house better, but Hagg is way too conservative, doesn't challenge far enough up the ice, and doesn't shut down passing lanes aggressively enough.

In turn, it impacts his ability to transition, since he's defending reactively and he's retrieving the puck and trying to outlet from so deep in his own zone.

Do want to say that I think he's capable of being a better player than this.
- Tomahawk

can i see a comparable chart....like one for provie or the GOAt Mac D...

Judging by how he can't tell the difference between scoring chances and shots in a table, I'd say you're better off not trusting him.


- Tomahawk

You and have had many discussions on stats and analytics over the years. You can do better than this.

If I was asking you to trust me over the stat heads, you might have a point. I have not asked you to do that. Follow my posts previously. It's not hard. I've been asking you to trust the coaching staff and the GM over the stat heads.
If need be, I'll explain to you what they do compared to the stat heads. You're right, it is classic me.
- MJL

Ah yes, the classic "the authority says it so it must be so"

I prefer to make my opinions from multiple sources instead

Ah yes, the classic "the authority says it so it must be so"

I prefer to make my opinions from multiple sources instead
- bulet13

Doesn't take an authority. You still haven't effectively answered my previous questions. Not every source out there is credible.

Did the Flyers know this before the draft?
- PLindbergh31

i mean why would he get migraines after the flyers draft him?

can i see a comparable chart....like one for provie or the GOAt Mac D...
- Peter Richards

Here you go. Tossed in Gudas for you too.