Team shots taken vs given up...so it is total shots but the game count is obviously the same. Basically, the team is taking 31.1 shots and giving up 33.1. So not a big deal, but that's the numbers of an average team, not a 7-1-1 team.

Similarly, scoring chances are about 30.8 for per game to 35.2 given up.

High danger chances at 12.4 and 13.2.

Those numbers fit perfectly for a ~9th to 10th place team, which is where pretty much everyone had them. But, the good news is they're banking points, so maybe they end up being a lucky team that gets 7th or 8th.

Basically, we have been winning because our opponents are scoring on 4.8% of their high danger chances, which is absurdly low (second lowest in the league). Combination of Hutton being beyond fantastic, and other teams just being freakishly unlucky against us.
- matty12345

You have to watch the games to see the quality of the high-danger chances though. They're not all created equally, they're just based on the part of the ice, and whether they're rush or rebound shots. The Kings game was a perfect example. They had a lot of "high-danger" chances, but really only had a couple legit chances to score where Hutton had to come up big. Team defense plays a huge role in the quality of said chances, and the Sabres have been excellent in blunting the quality of the high-danger chances.

Elway elevated the team to heights and was the definition of clutch.

The moral of the story is that the Bills have elements in place that can put them in the conversation in the AFC but they definitely need Allen to take the next step. He’s proven he can be clutch but the offence cannot sputter or continuously hope to come back in the 4th in December or January cause it is more likely that it won’t work out in the Bills favour. It’s nice to see them have success though, the fans deserve it.
- Swedish_Jesus

Can we refocus?

This conversation started in response to the posting of these stats, John Elway’s, in response to your criticism of Josh Allen:

-56.9% career completion rate, 54.5% completion rate in Playoffs
-47.5%, 56.3% completion rate for initial two seasons played, over 26 games
-25 to 29 TD to Int rate over 1st two seasons
-3 of 16; number of years out of years played in which he had over 60% completion rate
-63.2% highest completion rate, achieved in year 11, first year over 60%
-22 playoff games, 14-7 playoff record
-31 comebacks,
-40 game-winning drives
-2 Superbowl rings
-Hall-of-fame player

Why is it John Elway “elevates the team” and Josh Allen “sputters” and “won’t work out.”

What has he improved on from last year?

He still has accuracy issues.

So I am still waiting for someone to explain how he’s improved at all
- Sabretooth9

Trade him. Be done with it.

Eichel has not scored in 2 games, trade him.

Wait, we won. Hmmmm?

Trade him. Be done with it.

Eichel has not scored in 2 games, trade him.

Wait, we won. Hmmmm?
- TC4145

Ignore the trolls

In a related note, omg the Jets. Darnold “we’re unstoppable.” Ha. Game is on pace to be 81-0.

Sabres are being outshot, giving up more scoring chances than they are getting, and giving up more High danger chances than they are getting. That's while getting 7 more powerplays than their opponents. So uhh, why are they good?

5th in the league in shooting percentage. Fifth in the league in save percentage. Both in my opinion are completely unsustainable.

The similarities between this years 9 game start and last years 10 game streak are startling.
- matty12345

Why? Are you wishing them bad? Prepping all of us for an, I told you they were bad.

FFS enjoy something!

You stated a bunch of personal opinions and then call that the fact approach, while ignoring the stats I posted?

The team is being outshot. That's all I said. Opponents are scoring on a ludicrous 4.8% of their high danger scoring chances. That's pure dumb luck, combined with some outrageous saves from Hutton, but still mostly dumb luck. We actually have a higher save percentage on high danger scoring chances than overall scoring chances, which is funny.
- matty12345

Dumb luck or proper positioning? I say enjoy it.

Ignore the trolls

In a related note, omg the Jets. Darnold “we’re unstoppable.” Ha. Game is on pace to be 81-0.
- turbo044

Amen sir!

As I have witnessed a sh!t ton of disappointment, I am buying in and rooting for Buffalo.

F the stats. Bills and Sabres are winning. Take a breath and enjoy today. Tomorrow may be a dumpster fire but today is freaking awesome!

Amen sir!

As I have witnessed a sh!t ton of disappointment, I am buying in and rooting for Buffalo.

F the stats. Bills and Sabres are winning. Take a breath and enjoy today. Tomorrow may be a dumpster fire but today is freaking awesome!
- TC4145

Most posters are very knowledgeable and Its okay to be skeptical and point out what’s not perfect. Unfortunately a couple posters have a vendetta vs. Allen and Dahlin and it makes no sense. It’s almost like they want them to fail

Fancy stats? Shots on goal is the second most basic stat to...goals. The team gives up more chances than they get. I don't know how to make it any more simple than that. Is somehow pointing out that the team has weaknesses an offense to your rabid fandom?

They have given up more high danger scoring chances than they have created. So no, maybe it isn't your suggestions. Honestly your reading comprehension sucks. You just see stats and fly into an illogical frenzy.
- matty12345

Or you see stats and take them into your context that irrefutably defines all that you preach.

Statistics are the bane and the grace of our existence.

7-1-1.

Can we refocus?

This conversation started in response to the posting of these stats, John Elway’s, in response to your criticism of Josh Allen:

-56.9% career completion rate, 54.5% completion rate in Playoffs
-47.5%, 56.3% completion rate for initial two seasons played, over 26 games
-25 to 29 TD to Int rate over 1st two seasons
-3 of 16; number of years out of years played in which he had over 60% completion rate
-63.2% highest completion rate, achieved in year 11, first year over 60%
-22 playoff games, 14-7 playoff record
-31 comebacks,
-40 game-winning drives
-2 Superbowl rings
-Hall-of-fame player

Why is it John Elway “elevates the team” and Josh Allen “sputters” and “won’t work out.”
- Der Kaiser

Uh oh

If my math is correct, he was about 3 when Elway retired. I'm not sure what kind of answers you're going to get here

Can we refocus?

This conversation started in response to the posting of these stats, John Elway’s, in response to your criticism of Josh Allen:

-56.9% career completion rate, 54.5% completion rate in Playoffs
-47.5%, 56.3% completion rate for initial two seasons played, over 26 games
-25 to 29 TD to Int rate over 1st two seasons
-3 of 16; number of years out of years played in which he had over 60% completion rate
-63.2% highest completion rate, achieved in year 11, first year over 60%
-22 playoff games, 14-7 playoff record
-31 comebacks,
-40 game-winning drives
-2 Superbowl rings
-Hall-of-fame player

Why is it John Elway “elevates the team” and Josh Allen “sputters” and “won’t work out.”
- Der Kaiser

I mean Allen does not have the playoff wins or the Super Bowls. The Bills offence has averaged 19 points per game ( not counting that Micah Hyde return last week) through the first 6 games.

Allen’s stat line reads 118/189 for 1324 yards with 7 TD’s and 7 INT’s with an 80.2 QBR. His counter part this week Carson Wentz has a 92 QBR.

Joe Flacco has an 86.2 QBR and he is terrible.

Has Allen ever thrown for 300 yards ? I don’t recollect the Bills winning a game solely due to his arm either. Elway brought the Broncos to new heights. The Bills are 5-1 right now but that is due to the strength of their defence.

Whereas this year we've played 9 games and had 3 go to OT/SO and 1 other 1 goal game (which was Saturday).
- HonkFortheGoose

Is it a league wide function or particular to the Sabres?

Can we refocus?

This conversation started in response to the posting of these stats, John Elway’s, in response to your criticism of Josh Allen:

-56.9% career completion rate, 54.5% completion rate in Playoffs
-47.5%, 56.3% completion rate for initial two seasons played, over 26 games
-25 to 29 TD to Int rate over 1st two seasons
-3 of 16; number of years out of years played in which he had over 60% completion rate
-63.2% highest completion rate, achieved in year 11, first year over 60%
-22 playoff games, 14-7 playoff record
-31 comebacks,
-40 game-winning drives
-2 Superbowl rings
-Hall-of-fame player

Why is it John Elway “elevates the team” and Josh Allen “sputters” and “won’t work out.”
- Der Kaiser

Oh my
Solid post

I mean Allen does not have the playoff wins or the Super Bowls. The Bills offence has averaged 19 points per game ( not counting that Micah Hyde return last week) through the first 6 games.

Allen’s stat line reads 118/189 for 1324 yards with 7 TD’s and 7 INT’s with an 80.2 QBR. His counter part this week Carson Wentz has a 92 QBR.

Joe Flacco has an 86.2 QBR and he is terrible.

Has Allen ever thrown for 300 yards ? I don’t recollect the Bills winning a game solely due to his arm either. Elway brought the Broncos to new heights. The Bills are 5-1 right now but that is due to the strength of their defence.
- Swedish_Jesus

Case in point as troll #2 returns on key

Selective memory huh? Who’s got the most 4th quarter comebacks of any QBs in the last 16 games? Who’s got the highest 4th quarter QBR? Hint, it’s the same guy and one would think leading your team down the field in the 4th quarter to victory would constitute winning a game with your arm?

Next question. Be gone

I mean Allen does not have the playoff wins or the Super Bowls. The Bills offence has averaged 19 points per game ( not counting that Micah Hyde return last week) through the first 6 games.

Allen’s stat line reads 118/189 for 1324 yards with 7 TD’s and 7 INT’s with an 80.2 QBR. His counter part this week Carson Wentz has a 92 QBR.

Joe Flacco has an 86.2 QBR and he is terrible.

Has Allen ever thrown for 300 yards ? I don’t recollect the Bills winning a game solely due to his arm either. Elway brought the Broncos to new heights. The Bills are 5-1 right now but that is due to the strength of their defence.
- Swedish_Jesus

They all count, but his like 10 QBR against the Pats skews this.

Case in point.

Selective memory huh? Who’s got the most 4th quarter comebacks of any QBs in the last 16 games? Who’s got the highest 4th quarter QBR? Hint, it’s the same guy and think leading your team down the field in the 4th quarter to victory would constitute winning a game with your arm.

Next question. Be gone
- turbo044

Sure and the Bills should of been beating the Dolphins like the Pats are beating the Jets tonight.

Maybe the Jets and the Dolphins are going to be drafting a QB

Le'Veon Bell you should have signed with the 49ers bro

Sure and the Bills should of been beating the Dolphins like the Pats are beating the Jets tonight.
- Swedish_Jesus

To quote Vin Diesel's character Dominic Toretto from the 2001 cinematic masterpiece, The Fast and The Furious:

"Ask any racer; any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."

Sure and the Bills should of been beating the Dolphins like the Pats are beating the Jets tonight.
- Swedish_Jesus

Should *have*

Should have been beating.

To quote Vin Diesel's character Dominic Toretto from the 2001 cinematic masterpiece, The Fast and The Furious:

"Ask any racer; any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."
- jcragcrumple

Doesn’t matter *of*

Doesn’t matter of you win.

Correct sir, they're +18 in shots in the 1st, +3 in the second, -41 in the third.

Although, the bad thirds cost us leads in Montreal and Florida, so I think it's worth looking at.
- matty12345

The other team gets a vote too. You can have the best team of all-time and they'll still get caved in occasionally, because, the other team is playing to win as well. Hell, Canada almost lost to Latvia!

Darnold 34 yards passing.... yep he learned a lot having those games off

The other team gets a vote too. You can have the best team of all-time and they'll still get caved in occasionally, because, the other team is playing to win as well. Hell, Canada almost lost to Latvia!
- Wetbandit1

Of course, which is why we’re comparing us to... the other teams in the league

To quote Vin Diesel's character Dominic Toretto from the 2001 cinematic masterpiece, The Fast and The Furious:

"Ask any racer; any real racer. It doesn't matter if you win by an inch or a mile. Winning's winning."
- jcragcrumple

All wins count the same. The past is in the past. Elway won when it counted, we have not seen what Allen can do yet when it gets to that point.

However what I do know is that there wouldn’t be a 4th quarter come back against the Jets if Allen didn’t turnover the ball 4 times in the first half. There wouldn’t have been the need for come backs against the winless Bengals or Dolphins if the offence did not struggle for a majority of those games. There wouldn’t have been a 4th quarter come back against the Titans if they don’t leave 19 points on the board (between missed field goals and Mariota being offside by half a yard on the go ahead touchdown pass).

Allen seems like a great guy. He has a cannon for an arm. He has a whole career ahead of him to put it together. I just think he needs to continue to improve and put it together quick because it’s hard to field an elite defence like this year after year.