Which is like comparing oranges to tangerines. They look alike, but they're still different. If all teams played the same way, then sure, but they don't, so it's not really a one-to-one comparison.
- Wetbandit1

So are you trying to say you can’t statistically compare teams? That’s bonkers

All wins count the same. The past is in the past. Elway won when it counted, we have not seen what Allen can do yet when it gets to that point.

However what I do know is that there wouldn’t be a 4th quarter come back against the Jets if Allen didn’t turnover the ball 4 times in the first half. There wouldn’t have been the need for come backs against the winless Bengals or Dolphins if the offence did not struggle for a majority of those games. There wouldn’t have been a 4th quarter come back against the Titans if they don’t leave 19 points on the board (between missed field goals and Mariota being offside by half a yard on the go ahead touchdown pass).

Allen seems like a great guy. He has a cannon for an arm. He has a whole career ahead of him to put it together. I just think he needs to continue to improve and put it together quick because it’s hard to field an elite defence like this year after year.
- Swedish_Jesus

Are the Seahwaks bad? They beat the Bengals by one point. The Packers beat the Lions because of bad officiating on a last second FG. "Any Given Sunday" especially when it comes to divisional opponents. The Dolphins tend to give the Pats fits. They had won 5 of the last 6 in Miami before this year, but they have in the past and the Dolphins have been just about as bad as the Bills. They've been to the playoffs 2 more times than the Bills since 2000. Comparing all games against all opponents as if they're the same is fundamentally flawed.

So are you trying to say you can’t statistically compare teams? That’s bonkers
- sbroads24

No, but you can't treat it as gospel.

Agree on the Pass Rusher, Dunlap is pretty good at getting to the QB, think you could get both him and Green for what it might cost to get say Von Miller. It would be wild seeing Green Beasley and Brown out,there
- Buff36

But we aren’t gonna throw 40xs a games even if we trade for Aj Green

I’d say a legit pass rusher should be our top target
Get Shaq Barrett from Tampa, sign him

No, but you can't treat it as gospel.
- Wetbandit1

Take what as gospel? I don’t understand what point you are making or disputing.

Allen did play like this vs the Pats

Their defense is nasty
Could definitely go undefeated in the regular season
- jdfitz77

If NE gets to the Super Bowl, it would be 4 in a row. It’s a long shot but wouldn’t it be so right if Buffalo was the team that stopped them.

If NE gets to the Super Bowl, it would be 4 in a row. It’s a long shot but wouldn’t it be so right if Buffalo was the team that stopped them.
- turbo044

Didn’t think of that
Good point

Kinda like how Miami was the only team to beat the Bears back in ‘85

Idk if there’s any AFC teams that can score enough against the Pats defense?
Even if KC or Houston can put up 35-40pts...
would that even be enough?
Especially KC with that awful defense

If NE gets to the Super Bowl, it would be 4 in a row. It’s a long shot but wouldn’t it be so right if Buffalo was the team that stopped them.
- turbo044

Getting home field advantage would definitely increase your odds of doing so.

He’s just a superstar

He’s on pace for 40 goals with Sobotka and a guy who hasn’t played center in years.

Botts has acquired some damn studs in Skinner, Jokiharju, Miller and to a lesser degree Johansson.
- sbroads24

Lesser and Johansson? Nah he’s been amazing. Don’t forget about Montour too and I like his drafts picks so far: Dahlin (I know lottery luck), Middelstadt, cousins, samuellson, 6k, there’s probably a few others I’m forgetting about

It would be so sweet to see Brady get hurt as the Pats keep him in to run up the score

Lesser and Johansson? Nah he’s been amazing. Don’t forget about Montour too and I like his drafts picks so far: Dahlin (I know lottery luck), Middelstadt, cousins, samuellson, 6k, there’s probably a few others I’m forgetting about
- turbo044

I think the hot start will tail a bit for Johansson. Love him as a player but he’s playing above what he has his whole career. But again, Skinner makes everyone he’s with better

Lesser and Johansson? Nah he’s been amazing. Don’t forget about Montour too and I like his drafts picks so far: Dahlin (I know lottery luck), Middelstadt, cousins, samuellson, 6k, there’s probably a few others I’m forgetting about
- turbo044

Before some of the haters lose their minds...
Botts has made his errors as well
He’s not 100% with these moves

I do like the overall direction of the team though

Hopefully this start has the guys that were ready to jump off the Peace Bridge in June/July feeling better as well

Are the Seahwaks bad? They beat the Bengals by one point. The Packers beat the Lions because of bad officiating on a last second FG. "Any Given Sunday" especially when it comes to divisional opponents. The Dolphins tend to give the Pats fits. They had won 5 of the last 6 in Miami before this year, but they have in the past and the Dolphins have been just about as bad as the Bills. They've been to the playoffs 2 more times than the Bills since 2000. Comparing all games against all opponents as if they're the same is fundamentally flawed.
- Wetbandit1

The league has a few elite teams, a couple garbage teams, and a bunch of teams that are a weird fumble and an ill-timed missed field goal from either being 10-6 or 8-8.

More specifically to your point, if there's such a thing as a "good" 0-7 team, the Bengals are it. I've watched a decent amount of them, and while I wouldn't say they should have a winning record, they could easily be 3-4

Josh Allen, quarters 1-3 this season:

61.1 comp%, 6.4 yds/att, 3 TD, 7 INT, 67.7 rating

Josh Allen, 4th quarter this season:

68.8 comp%, 9.8 yds/att, 4 TD, 0 INT, 139.6 rating

Allen's 4th Q yds/att & rating are #1 among qualified QBs. He ranks 23rd and 26th in those overall.


I’ll take those 4th quarter stats from my 2nd year qb... but there is no improvement.....

Adam Gase owes his entire career and life to Peyton Manning

Take what as gospel? I don’t understand what point you are making or disputing.
- sbroads24

That the stats different teams put up are equal.

LA leads the league in attempts, and watching the Sabres game it's easy to see why, they're all Evander Kane, just cranking them from anywhere and everywhere. Edmonton takes 18 fewer attempts a game, yet averages a third of a goal more than LA.

Josh Allen, quarters 1-3 this season:

61.1 comp%, 6.4 yds/att, 3 TD, 7 INT, 67.7 rating

Josh Allen, 4th quarter this season:

68.8 comp%, 9.8 yds/att, 4 TD, 0 INT, 139.6 rating

Allen's 4th Q yds/att & rating are #1 among qualified QBs. He ranks 23rd and 26th in those overall.


I’ll take those 4th quarter stats from my 2nd year qb... but there is no improvement.....
- gordong

It would have been much more impressive if the Pats struggled for 3 quarters tonight and turned the ball over multiple times just so Brady can get a 4th Quarter come back.

Before some of the haters lose their minds...
Botts has made his errors as well
He’s not 100% with these moves

I do like the overall direction of the team though

Hopefully this start has the guys that were ready to jump off the Peace Bridge in June/July feeling better as well
- jdfitz77

Talk to me at the 30 game mark... for now it’s fun... but I’m not convinced by any stretch.

That the stats different teams put up are equal.

LA leads the league in attempts, and watching the Sabres game it's easy to see why, they're all Evander Kane, just cranking them from anywhere and everywhere. Edmonton takes 18 fewer attempts a game, yet averages a third of a goal more than LA.
- Wetbandit1

And literally no one credible takes one statistic and makes a broad generalization about it.

I also don’t get defending the LA game. They straight up killed us and we got incredibly lucky. It happens

Josh Allen, quarters 1-3 this season:

61.1 comp%, 6.4 yds/att, 3 TD, 7 INT, 67.7 rating

Josh Allen, 4th quarter this season:

68.8 comp%, 9.8 yds/att, 4 TD, 0 INT, 139.6 rating

Allen's 4th Q yds/att & rating are #1 among qualified QBs. He ranks 23rd and 26th in those overall.


I’ll take those 4th quarter stats from my 2nd year qb... but there is no improvement.....
- gordong

Could u go ahead and quote someone who’s said “there’s been no improvement”?

I haven’t seen ppl say that at all
A couple ppl have been a little harsh
But Allen has also looked horrible at times & still making some brutal decisions as well

Getting better... yes
Still a long ways to go... also yes

It would have been much more impressive if the Pats struggled for 3 quarters tonight and turned the ball over multiple times just so Brady can get a 4th Quarter come back.
- Swedish_Jesus

The media would eat that poop up just as readily

Omg TB12 is never rattled. He can have a bad half, but his pure karmic energy blankets his teammates in a winning aura and rallies them for the win

Could u go ahead and quote someone who’s said “there’s been no improvement”?

I haven’t seen ppl say that at all
A couple ppl have been a little harsh
But Allen has also looked horrible at times & still making some brutal decisions as well

Getting better... yes
Still a long ways to go... also yes
- jdfitz77

someone literally posted he’s seen no improvement which started this entire convo.

It would have been much more impressive if the Pats struggled for 3 quarters tonight and turned the ball over multiple times just so Brady can get a 4th Quarter come back.
- Swedish_Jesus

No you are right Brady was a hall of fame qb in his 2nd year... too bad he never improved they would have never lost to the giants Togo undefeated...(frank)ing bum.

Talk to me at the 30 game mark... for now it’s fun... but I’m not convinced by any stretch.
- gordong

Again...
not a finished product by any means

We aren’t a Cup contender

But we are clearly moving in the right direction
And it’s been pretty damn fun to watch

someone literally posted he’s seen no improvement which started this entire convo.
- sbroads24

I missed it
Didn’t do all the back reading

But anyways...
that’s just 1 dude

It’s far from the overall feeling about Allen

The kid is still very raw,
and still has a ton to learn

His up & down play will likely continue through this season