Wouldn't have let Dubois run free to that goal.

He would have taken over and scored the goal himself!
- Scabeh

under 10 games in - its really nothing to stress over

lots of new players; esp. D
- Lucas.Neilson

Well agreed. Wait to the 20 game mark.
But counting last season, this team is at .500 over 60 games with the same defensive concerns and troubling play.

You're right, but at least Matthews learned from his mistake and got the better of Dubois when he tried that again later in the game..

Hopefully, he doesn't get beat down low like that too often, going forward...
- PatC80

Its occured before.
Recent boston game as an example

Go Leafs!
- senstroll

Question, has a team ever lead the league in both goals for and goals against?

The Leafs must be on some sort of record pace, no?

Its occured before.
Recent boston game as an example
- Fakepartofme

I know, I said "not too often"

He's learnding still

So, we have to make a move before Saturday?

*Please be Marincin, please be Marincin*
- PatC80

I think they have to make 4 moves. Or maybe that’s before hyman returns too.

Sounds like gravel, petan but then after that it gets interesting with spezza, shore and Timashov

I have a feeling marincin stays as 7th d but no idea.

Well agreed. Wait to the 20 game mark.
But counting last season, this team is at .500 over 60 games with the same defensive concerns and troubling play.
- Fakepartofme

That's on Dubas - for not doing anything to address some key weaknesses on this team.

Its occured before.
Recent boston game as an example
- Fakepartofme

He's soft. For his size he's very soft. The whole team is pretty soft.

I think they have to make 4 moves. Or maybe that’s before hyman returns too.

Sounds like gravel, petan but then after that it gets interesting with spezza, shore and Timashov

I have a feeling marincin stays as 7th d but no idea.
- bryant

As long as none of them cost more than a Honda Civic, you guys are good.

That's on Dubas - for not doing anything to address some key weaknesses on this team.
- MaximusAurelius

Even took those weak areas and actually made them weaker, while adding more of the same to their strengths. They are even more extreme one way now.

I assume Gravel goes down first b/c he has cleared waivers. Maybe Gravel gets a look tonight?

Then when Hyman gets back it's bye bye Marincin, Petan and Shore I think.

I think Timashov might have the edge to keep that 12/13 fwd spot with Spezza. He's got a nice ass.
- The Law

I'd like to see Gravel tonight. He looked fine in the preseason - in that he played the game you expect him to play (quiet and simple). Man would I love a low event defenseman on the Leafs these days!

Given the track records and waiver eligibility, I doubt a one game performance is enough to keep Gravel from being sent back down (Gravel cleared waivers and has only been back up with the club since the 14th).

I agree about Timashov. Frankly, if you're ranking the guys who are on the bubble for when Hyman returns, assuming the Goat is fine, I think it's Timashov, Shore, Spezza, and Petan in order of who they should keep.

I think if Babcock has the say, Shore is ahead of Spezza - but it's a 13th forward, so if it's just pressbox duty, it might be Spezza rather than send him to the minors. Although it should be noted that Spezza has an NTC, but not an NMC.

Petan definitely goes; he cleared waivers and can be sent back without having to clear.

I think they have to make 4 moves. Or maybe that’s before hyman returns too.

Sounds like gravel, petan but then after that it gets interesting with spezza, shore and Timashov

I have a feeling marincin stays as 7th d but no idea.
- bryant

I hate Marincin so much

His only redeeming quality is not being a fat pig after sitting in the press box for 50 games

I think they have to make 4 moves. Or maybe that’s before hyman returns too.

Sounds like gravel, petan but then after that it gets interesting with spezza, shore and Timashov

I have a feeling marincin stays as 7th d but no idea.
- bryant

As I understand it, right now they have $300k or so in capspace. When Dermott comes back, he makes $863k, so they need to drop someone (probably Gravel), and then they'll only have about $140k in capspace.

When Hyman comes back, they'll need to drop 3 more.

They can gain LTIR cap room if Tavares is injured for more than 24 days, but I think we'd rather he were playing (but if he is out for 24 days, they get about $1.4m in usable space).

As I understand it, right now they have $300k or so in capspace. When Dermott comes back, he makes $863k, so they need to drop someone (probably Gravel), and then they'll only have about $140k in capspace.

When Hyman comes back, they'll need to drop 3 more.

They can gain LTIR cap room if Tavares is injured for more than 24 days, but I think we'd rather he were playing (but if he is out for 24 days, they get about $1.4m in usable space).
- Monkeypunk

Hopefully Hyman is back soon.. I can't handle any more Marincin..

As I understand it, right now they have $300k or so in capspace. When Dermott comes back, he makes $863k, so they need to drop someone (probably Gravel), and then they'll only have about $140k in capspace.

When Hyman comes back, they'll need to drop 3 more.

They can gain LTIR cap room if Tavares is injured for more than 24 days, but I think we'd rather he were playing (but if he is out for 24 days, they get about $1.4m in usable space).
- Monkeypunk

Any update on hyman? I assume he can return sat but haven’t heard a update on him in awhile so probably isn’t that close.

Lindholm is so bad he is playing centre for the Boston Bruins on a contender meanwhile Petan is so good not one team would take him for free.

As I understand it, right now they have $300k or so in capspace. When Dermott comes back, he makes $863k, so they need to drop someone (probably Gravel), and then they'll only have about $140k in capspace.

When Hyman comes back, they'll need to drop 3 more.

They can gain LTIR cap room if Tavares is injured for more than 24 days, but I think we'd rather he were playing (but if he is out for 24 days, they get about $1.4m in usable space).
- Monkeypunk

Tighter than a virgin's honeypot.

Lindholm is so bad he is playing centre for the Boston Bruins on a contender meanwhile Petan is so good not one team would take him for free.
- aminnes

We’ll leafs beat this contender without their #1 C. What does that mean?

Lindholm is so bad he is playing centre for the Boston Bruins on a contender meanwhile Petan is so good not one team would take him for free.
- aminnes

100% not due to injuries or anything

I'd like to see Gravel tonight. He looked fine in the preseason - in that he played the game you expect him to play (quiet and simple). Man would I love a low event defenseman on the Leafs these days!

Given the track records and waiver eligibility, I doubt a one game performance is enough to keep Gravel from being sent back down (Gravel cleared waivers and has only been back up with the club since the 14th).

I agree about Timashov. Frankly, if you're ranking the guys who are on the bubble for when Hyman returns, assuming the Goat is fine, I think it's Timashov, Shore, Spezza, and Petan in order of who they should keep.

I think if Babcock has the say, Shore is ahead of Spezza - but it's a 13th forward, so if it's just pressbox duty, it might be Spezza rather than send him to the minors. Although it should be noted that Spezza has an NTC, but not an NMC.

Petan definitely goes; he cleared waivers and can be sent back without having to clear.
- Monkeypunk

Ya I think it depends on how many spare parts they can keep. I think it's just one but I don't know maybe they can keep two extra skaters.

If it's just one do they keep a fwd or a D? Typically the coach would prefer the D ...so maybe Marincin or Gravel get to stick around eating popcorn.

Or maybe they believe they have enough depth on D (Sandin and Gravel) in the AHL that they can waive Marincin and keep a 13th fwd.

None if it matters until they're all healthy (JT and Hyman).

Great.

You know what else shows, your blind homerism and suckiness at any opinion different from yours.

If you don't think this team is under-performing and Andersen hasn't poop the bed at times in the playoffs (critical times), then I don't know what to tell you.
- Aetherial

I also only said 2 words,

NO need to be an Aeth Hole.

Hopefully Hyman is back soon.. I can't handle any more Marincin..
- PatC80

That's the hard part.

Petan clears. Shore, Spezza, and Marincin would be the extra players.

Two of them have to go.

None of them are game changing players. If an injury happens and we need to call up someone from the AHL, the Leafs have a lot of forwards they can probably swap in and out (ie, in the unlikely event that we lose Shore and Spezza on waivers, we still have Agostino, Aberg, Kossila, Bracco, Engvall . . . but Shore and Spezza are centres, so they have some value).

We all hate Marincin, but is he ahead of Gravel, Schmaltz, Harpur and Kivihalme? Because if he's the 7th best defenseman without risking burning an entry level year of one of our D of the future (ie, you don't want to waste an ELC year of Sandin or Liljegren if they are simply a 10 game injury replacement, but aren't really ready for primetime), then is he someone you keep in the pressbox instead of subjecting to waivers?

100% not due to injuries or anything
- TheMussel

you couldn't be more right..

100% not due to injuries or anything
- TheMussel

Of course. But he is good enough to b a depth C on one of the best teams in the league and Dubas moved him for a bum no one wants was my point. Is it overly important, no, but it's still dumb.

That's the hard part.

Petan clears. Shore, Spezza, and Marincin would be the extra players.

Two of them have to go.

None of them are game changing players. If an injury happens and we need to call up someone from the AHL, the Leafs have a lot of forwards they can probably swap in and out (ie, in the unlikely event that we lose Shore and Spezza on waivers, we still have Agostino, Aberg, Kossila, Bracco, Engvall . . . but Shore and Spezza are centres, so they have some value).

We all hate Marincin, but is he ahead of Gravel, Schmaltz, Harpur and Kivihalme? Because if he's the 7th best defenseman without risking burning an entry level year of one of our D of the future (ie, you don't want to waste an ELC year of Sandin or Liljegren if they are simply a 10 game injury replacement, but aren't really ready for primetime), then is he someone you keep in the pressbox instead of subjecting to waivers?
- Monkeypunk

Nope, waivers.. When it comes to Marincin, waivers is what's best..