I gotta say - there's only so much "give-a-f#ck" investment I have left for anything Hawks related that isn't about team success right now. I love and appreciate what Seabrook has done for the Hawks over the past decade plus but I'm a fan of the Chicago Blackhawks - not the the Chicago Seabrooks - and it's pretty inarguable to state Seabrook's presence on the Hawks makes the team worse, not better. I don't hold it against him for signing the $6.8M contract - I would have done the same - but his contract is hurting the Hawks more than his play on the ice is helping them - so if they can move him - do it so long as it doesn't require losing a good young asset to do it.
- EbonyRaptor

Evgebony...you nailed it!!

He still has a role on this team and will be needed and because he is a stud like everyone believes he is, he will come around and be that. We just have to give the guy a minute.

Kane should be a permanent "A"

Guy plays hard every night and sets a good example in and out of the room

The Canadian triplets have a large ownership in this decline and inability to get out from under it since outside of Toews's year last year, those 3 have gotten worse each and every year...….

And Im speaking more about 19 who I have come to grips is one of those guys who truly doesn't care to put in the extra work to get better. If he did the numbers would show it.....he does what's asked and that's it. I remember back in 07-08 when the Hawks were pimping his wrist shot as "sakic esq" and well...….

Yes, I would trade 19 tomorrow....sell high while you still can.
- SteveRain

Has been interesting that over past few offseason, we've gotten official profiles on the summer conditioning programs of Kane (multiple), DBC, and Seabs, plus some snippets about Saad, Strome, Murphy, and others. Never do we get a glimpse into Toews, except when he, himself shares (like he did with some of the Onnit stuff, which he later said was a bad move).

ETA: he looks like he is in shape when he comes back, and there were pics of him with Goodman this summer, but given the team's decision to push him (over Kane) as the dedicated, serious one, it just struck me as an interesting omission

I don’t have a problem in benching Seabrook. I have a problem in doing it for a 2nd time without talking to him about it.

That’s weak.
- scottak

Actually i think benching 7 is bold and takes a lot of courage for a young coach. He's invoking i don't have to explain anything to you because I'm in charge mother (frank)er,
You want to come in unprepared and lazy for a noon game then have a seat you lazy (frank)

Back in my day, we learned that disagreeing with people did not equate to hate and racism and a hyperbolic response. We did not have fragile thin skin and need constant re assurement and a support network.

We typically digested and exchanged facts, not feelings, and went along with our day without feeling the need to virtue signal.

Truth is, nothing says you have nothing to say, like name calling.
- TrueGrit

You mean like soccer mom and crying emojis?

Kane should be a permanent "A"

Guy plays hard every night and sets a good example in and out of the room

The Canadian triplets have a large ownership in this decline and inability to get out from under it since outside of Toews's year last year, those 3 have gotten worse each and every year...….

And Im speaking more about 19 who I have come to grips is one of those guys who truly doesn't care to put in the extra work to get better. If he did the numbers would show it.....he does what's asked and that's it. I remember back in 07-08 when the Hawks were pimping his wrist shot as "sakic esq" and well...….

Yes, I would trade 19 tomorrow....sell high while you still can.
- SteveRain

He really has and deserves it.

The thing about Kane is that you can put you and me on a line with him and we will get opportunities, Kane makes everyone with him better.

Toews, as much as I love him, has not been able to do that as his career has progressed.

You mean like soccer mom and crying emojis?
- pdx2ord

Well played!!!

See that was not so bad.

You mean like soccer mom and crying emojis?
- pdx2ord

He's just here to create conflict there's a lot coming out but not much going in.

Actually i think benching 7 is bold and takes a lot of courage for a young coach. He's invoking i don't have to explain anything to you because I'm in charge mother (frank)er,
You want to come in unprepared and lazy for a noon game then have a seat you lazy (frank)
- BetweenTheDots

That is sure another interpretation!!!!

He's just here to create conflict there's a lot coming out but not much going in.
- BetweenTheDots

Taking the opinion that there is no need to candy ass Seabrook, and commenting that Toews seems to have his head in his ass, somehow creates conflict?

Because I did not consider their feelings?

He really has and deserves it.

The thing about Kane is that you can put you and me on a line with him and we will get opportunities, Kane makes everyone with him better.

Toews, as much as I love him, has not been able to do that as his career has progressed.
- TrueGrit

yeah, and I am ready to get roasted by the Toews PR contingent any second. I just view Toews as a guy who likes to win...….

I view Kane as a guy who while likes to win, he HATES to lose...….There is a big difference and the drive kane has to maximize his ability is remarkable.

yeah, and I am ready to get roasted by the Toews PR contingent any second. I just view Toews as a guy who likes to win...….

I view Kane as a guy who while likes to win, he HATES to lose...….There is a big difference and the drive kane has to maximize his ability is remarkable.
- SteveRain

Speaking of, Kane really hasn't looked like himself most of this year for whatever reason. I'd love to know what specifically he worked on and is changing up this year. Do know he spent his summer with Ian Mack again rather than with Goodman.

Tarasenko and now this

Landeskog out 'significant time' for Avalanche with lower-body injury
Forward joins Rantanen as second member of top line to be sidelined

Other teams might just IR themselves into giving us a chance

Has been interesting that over past few offseason, we've gotten official profiles on the summer conditioning programs of Kane (multiple), DBC, and Seabs, plus some snippets about Saad, Strome, Murphy, and others. Never do we get a glimpse into Toews, except when he, himself shares (like he did with some of the Onnit stuff, which he later said was a bad move).

ETA: he looks like he is in shape when he comes back, and there were pics of him with Goodman this summer, but given the team's decision to push him (over Kane) as the dedicated, serious one, it just struck me as an interesting omission
- pdx2ord

I just look at the ROI...….Kane came in as an Adam Oates type guy....pass first shoot, later......now he's lethal and a bona fide NHL star

Toews.....Maybe he peaked in 2009-10 when he won the conn smythe. Great players make others around them better, and I can't say Toews does that. Sure he can win a faceoff, but his defensive game has slipped (no I don't study corsi or fenwick or bob's analytics) to the eye, and the team's PK has been horrific for a long stretch.

Just wish this team could make it entertaining this winter as the damn Bears have completely imploded and Id rather debate carbon ommissions then watch NBA basketball......

Speaking of, Kane really hasn't looked like himself most of this year for whatever reason. I'd love to know what specifically he worked on and is changing up this year. Do know he spent his summer with Ian Mack again rather than with Goodman.
- pdx2ord

Didn't he have a maintenance day recently? Those are usually the days the team gives the guys like Hossa (rash) or Keith or Seabrook or whoever to rest nagging injuries.

Just a guess....but bet hes dinged a little.

I just look at the ROI...….Kane came in as an Adam Oates type guy....pass first shoot, later......now he's lethal and a bona fide NHL star

Toews.....Maybe he peaked in 2009-10 when he won the conn smythe. Great players make others around them better, and I can't say Toews does that. Sure he can win a faceoff, but his defensive game has slipped (no I don't study corsi or fenwick or bob's analytics) to the eye, and the team's PK has been horrific for a long stretch.

Just wish this team could make it entertaining this winter as the damn Bears have completely imploded and Id rather debate carbon ommissions then watch NBA basketball......
- SteveRain

Toews also seems to be right behind Shaw the last couple years of untimely and just bad/lazy penalties that he whines a whole lot about when they are justified penalties. Getting a little careless and puck watching, not moving his feet, giving up high danger space to his coverage, etc

Actually i think benching 7 is bold and takes a lot of courage for a young coach. He's invoking i don't have to explain anything to you because I'm in charge mother (frank)er,
You want to come in unprepared and lazy for a noon game then have a seat you lazy (frank)
- BetweenTheDots

You could be on to something.....IF JC doesn't think he has respect in that room he may be trying the ole bad cop routine.

yeah, and I am ready to get roasted by the Toews PR contingent any second. I just view Toews as a guy who likes to win...….

I view Kane as a guy who while likes to win, he HATES to lose...….There is a big difference and the drive kane has to maximize his ability is remarkable.
- SteveRain

Toews is a shell of a player that he use to be, he use to love hanging around the net(you rarely see that now a days) and never lost a battle along the boards. He seems to be a player playing for himself, not really a team player and not willing to commit to being the best player that he can be. one possible observation, the defenseman have gotten bigger, faster and stronger, where Toews is not as effective and takes lots of physical abuse. And maybe that pain game after game is not worth it. But Toews is a step slower. Also saw it the other day on the shorty when he trailed the play and glided a touch too early and did not intercept the pass. Don't understand it, Toews is still basically in his prime. And this has been going on since 2015 post cup.

I just look at the ROI...….Kane came in as an Adam Oates type guy....pass first shoot, later......now he's lethal and a bona fide NHL star

Toews.....Maybe he peaked in 2009-10 when he won the conn smythe. Great players make others around them better, and I can't say Toews does that. Sure he can win a faceoff, but his defensive game has slipped (no I don't study corsi or fenwick or bob's analytics) to the eye, and the team's PK has been horrific for a long stretch.

Just wish this team could make it entertaining this winter as the damn Bears have completely imploded and Id rather debate carbon ommissions then watch NBA basketball......
- SteveRain

LMAO....well said!!!

I just look at the ROI...….Kane came in as an Adam Oates type guy....pass first shoot, later......now he's lethal and a bona fide NHL star

Toews.....Maybe he peaked in 2009-10 when he won the conn smythe. Great players make others around them better, and I can't say Toews does that. Sure he can win a faceoff, but his defensive game has slipped (no I don't study corsi or fenwick or bob's analytics) to the eye, and the team's PK has been horrific for a long stretch.

Just wish this team could make it entertaining this winter as the damn Bears have completely imploded and Id rather debate carbon ommissions then watch NBA basketball......
- SteveRain

Watched the buffalo and arizona game last night, that was good hockey especially the third period and OT. The buffalo crowd is crazy, any inkling of an offensive opportunity, you can hear the crowd noise grow in anticipation. So awesome. i am enjoying the AZ games and Florida games, and watching the former hawk players. Schmaltz is growing up.

I'm surprised Colliton is benching Seabrook again.

Not buying into these trade rumours. Hawks know they can't move him and his contract and doubt 7 actually wants to go anywhere.

I think this will all blow over when Seabs is back in the lineup on the weekend.

IF seabrook didn't care it would be a little more alarming.

I miss the days debating about who to scratch in a playoff game...….

- SteveRain

very much true...

besides how nice is it for some reporter to stick a mike in your face and ask "how does it feel..."

seabs is man's man, a pro and a team guy all the way...and that will come through...

If Toews really has bought in to the carbon footprint Bull poop, that says it all about your vegan captain.

Meanwhile, all your elite players fly around the country in private planes the rest of the year.
- TrueGrit

Who gives a poop if he's vegan (is he? I had no idea)? Why do you even care?

As far as his other stuff, if that's what he's interested in go for it. Guess what you gotta deal with people who don't think like you. Watch sports and eventually you'll swear it's Sunday morning worship service there is so much religious promotion that it borders on proselytizing. I am no fan of it, but oh well. There are other things athletes say/do I don't support, but I just watch them for the game. Whether or not I agree with Toews on climate change, I am not looking to him to get my views on it either way. And if Jacob Slavin thinks God is why Carolina made it to the Conference Finals last year I don't care about that either and my view really doesn't matter so if Jacob is good with it and it brings peace to his life then awesome.

I'm surprised Colliton is benching Seabrook again.

Not buying into these trade rumours. Hawks know they can't move him and his contract and doubt 7 actually wants to go anything.

I think this will all blow over when Seabs is back i the lineup on the weekend.
- Tyler Cameron

Do you think Seabs can change his game and be like a Sopel? Sopel was not very quick, but he was a warrior and he was an intergal part of the 2010 championship.

could make the same argument for Seabrook as well......
- SteveRain

We have other options for Seabrook playing better than him. I don't see that at Center.

I just look at the ROI...….Kane came in as an Adam Oates type guy....pass first shoot, later......now he's lethal and a bona fide NHL star

Toews.....Maybe he peaked in 2009-10 when he won the conn smythe. Great players make others around them better, and I can't say Toews does that. Sure he can win a faceoff, but his defensive game has slipped (no I don't study corsi or fenwick or bob's analytics) to the eye, and the team's PK has been horrific for a long stretch.

Just wish this team could make it entertaining this winter as the damn Bears have completely imploded and Id rather debate carbon ommissions then watch NBA basketball......
- SteveRain

i am with you... i would rather debate any emissions over the NBA