Bookmark this so as to use as a reference when Colliton's system is referenced.

Also Carolina uses a similar system and they have been successful. But they experience some issues too. The major difference between their system and Colliton's is that they have better personnel and players buy in to Brind 'Amour's system.
- jhawk59

Notably faster and grittier, ne c'est pas?

Nothing makes sense!!!
- glennjpawlak22

That's the plan.

Bookmark this so as to use as a reference when Colliton's system is referenced.

Also Carolina uses a similar system and they have been successful. But they experience some issues too. The major difference between their system and Colliton's is that they have better personnel and players buy in to Brind 'Amour's system.
- jhawk59

Carolina is a much faster team has players who can get behind and defenders like Slavin and Hamilton who can jam up the neutral zone and either skate away or pass out of pressure.

The Hawks don't have the players to do that.

Also, anyone who doesn't want Patrick Kane tearing though the neutral zone with the puck on his blade is pretty silly.

Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers

Duncan Keith on playing with Boqvist: "He's obviously a very skilled offensive guy, he's got a lot of skills. So for me it's just about being as good as I can be. The better I can play, the easier I can make it on him.

"So obviously we've got to communicate out there and have a good gap, all the little things that being a defenseman can make up, and see how it goes. Have fun out there and just be myself and try to help out him as much as I can."

Adam Boqvist was surprised to be called up. "I think I didn't play super good down there. You know when the call comes, you better be ready. I think Duncs can help me along the way. It's nice to be here."

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Whole lot of ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ in those comments

]Chris Kuc
@ChrisKuc
Adam Boqvist is paired with Duncan Keith during #Blackhawks' practice in El Segundo, Calif.

Boqvist is displaying some exceptional offensive moves during drills.

Too bad he's a D man


Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers
Blackhawks power play units
1: Keith, Strome, Kane, DeBrincat, Shaw
2: Boqvist, Nylander, Kubalik, Toews, Dach

Good grief...is that PP clause still in effect in Keith's contract?
- pdx2ord

Unless Gus is the healthy scratch, wouldn't it be smarter to have him on the 1st PP unit ? Yes he's horrific defensively but the only way we'll get anything for him in a deal is to utilize what skill he does have and that's on the PP. Or maybe they're trying to build up Keith's value again on the PP ? Just plain weird.

Unless Gus is the healthy scratch, wouldn't it be smarter to have him on the 1st PP unit ? Yes he's horrific defensively but the only way we'll get anything for him in a deal is to utilize what skill he does have and that's on the PP. Or maybe they're trying to build up Keith's value again on the PP ? Just plain weird.
- Hawkytalk

Gus appears to have been scratched

Here's JC's explanation on PP (still doesn't explain the Saad omission, but a direct hit to Toews)

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST

Colliton adding more context to the new PP units:

"To this point, the one unit has got the lion's share of the time, and if you're going to do that, you've got to score. Now it's going to be more of a competition."

Gus appears to have been scratched

Here's JC's explanation on PP (still doesn't explain the Saad omission, but a direct hit to Toews)

Ben Pope
@BenPopeCST

Colliton adding more context to the new PP units:

"To this point, the one unit has got the lion's share of the time, and if you're going to do that, you've got to score. Now it's going to be more of a competition."
- pdx2ord

Sounds like Irwin Corey.

Any theories on why Saad (who HAS been giving a 200' effort consistently) cannot get a bite at a PP role?

John Dietz
@johndietzdh
Here are your #Blackhawks power-play units at practice today. Brandon Saad is not on either unit.

Jonathan Toews moved down and is playing with FOUR rookies.
- pdx2ord

Because his shot sucks.

Because his shot sucks.
- Bjm84

Well, there is that

Though, I was thinking more to provide that net front and puck fighting skill

So let me see if I can catch up.

1. This team/core can no longer play a pure possession game as evidenced by their performance for the previous 2 year under Q which were a miserable display of either players going through the motions or players no longer able to do what they once did (and Q refusing to change his system to accommodate the lack of talent).

2. JC comes in and lets them play, and while they score like crazy, the defense is awful - with many posters expressing how awful the Hawks are even though they win at a 100+ point pace. Everyone "knows" this style will never succeed in the playoffs.

3. JC switches things up to a more dump and chase, 200 foot system, which the core also can't play, but the bottom lines can and show a decent amount of success. The defense is vastly improved, but now the Hawks can't score. Everyone hates this too.

It seems maybe the personnel isn't there to play one style or the other. Stan has assembled a team that is now in a middle ground where the pieces don't quite fit together. And that's he's slowly trying to minimize the core's importance.

It's something that pops into my head when I try to make lines. Kane is always out of place, so maybe it's best to just stick him with Strome and Dinky and keep them out there with the top pairing as much as possible and hope for the best.

Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers
·
3m
Blackhawks lines appeared to be:
Saad-Toews-Nylander
Kubalik-Kampf-Kane
Caggiula-Dach-Shaw-Smith
DeBrincat-Carpenter-Strome

I know it's all about ice time, but putting DBC on the 4th line seems really, really stupid

ETA; JC has officially lost me now. This is just throwing darts at a board. Kampf centering Kane? Toews and Nylander were a mess together earlier this year (maybe Nylander's improvement will help, but...)
- pdx2ord

Yeah these lines just don't look right to me either.
So with that here is my ideas for lines (I'm sure they look dumb to some as well)
Saad Dach Kane
Dcat Strome Kubalik
Nylander Toews Shaw
Caggiula-Kampf Carpenter
And leave for games at a time to see if they for chemistry. The blender approach is not working.
Not gonna even gonna try n figure the defence pairings out yeechs

I think maybe I'd try

Caggiula-Toews-Shaw (shutdown line)
AdB-Strome-Kane (scoring line)
Saad-Kampf-Kubalik (defense/possession line)
Nylander-Dach-Carpenter (development line that can flash some scoring)

You'd really have to play matchups (which JC is terrible at) and try to ensure as much as possible that the Strome line is never out against the other team's top line, but the Toews and Kampf lines could potentially be effective ice flippers.

I think maybe I'd try

Caggiula-Toews-Shaw (shutdown line)
AdB-Strome-Kane (scoring line)
Saad-Kampf-Kubalik (defense/possession line)
Nylander-Dach-Carpenter (development line that can flash some scoring)

You'd really have to play matchups (which JC is terrible at) and try to ensure as much as possible that the Strome line is never out against the other team's top line, but the Toews and Kampf lines could potentially be effective ice flippers.
- tazer_and_diet

Saad - Toews - Kubalik(dump/chase)
Debrincat - Strome - Toews(possession)
Nylander-Dach-Shaw(hybrid)
Cigguala - Kampf - Carpenter(dump/chase)

As I see it, to dump and chase requires the speed and willingness to get the puck, which Saadalik have shown. Toews hopefully can just hang in front of the net:

Second line is possession or bust.

Third can play a hybrid game.

Last line, your shutdown line, dumps the buck.

Well, there is that

Though, I was thinking more to provide that net front and puck fighting skill
- pdx2ord

It does though, right? If he had a decent shot, man, he’d have 30 goals a season easily. I just don’t see Saad as a PP guy.

It does though, right? If he had a decent shot, man, he’d have 30 goals a season easily. I just don’t see Saad as a PP guy.
- Bjm84

Toews hasn’t scored on a shot yet this season.

AdB has 2 PP goals - Seabrook has the other (the only goal by a blue liner, BTW).

Might as well put Saad somewhere on the PP.

If Boqvist plays well the next couple of games, Gus is a goner. I just don’t understand why top two lines can’t play possession game and carry the puck in, and the 3rd and 4th lines can play the dump and chase. Also Kampf has played well, although he should not be centering a world class player like Kane. I’m not giving up on this team, the PK is doing much better of late, although a small sample size, we have played eleven games with multiple new players, it takes time to acclimate to new teammates. I for one will wait for 20-25 games before I judge the caliber of this team.

Danault - yes, a couple of years.

Teravainen - only 39 games in Rockford - not sure you can say his development happened there - or Sweden, Chicago, or Raleigh.
- StLBravesFan

I would vote Raleigh.

Wonder how our prospect selection and development success rate compares to other teams?
- pdx2ord

Have to take into account we drafted late for many years.

Maybe (it's what I was assuming before), but at what point do you stop trying to teach everyone a lesson / develop their skillset to your liking and start worrying about winning games. Again, why would you not at least use the lines that did well against Kings last time?
- pdx2ord

Maybe he’s letting the players earn their spots. Like what he said about the power play.

Maybe he’s letting the players earn their spots. Like what he said about the power play.
- gifman

Let the players play...

........elsewhere. So Perlini hasn't scored in his debut but Jokiharju has talllied tonight.
Washington is a scoring machine and i woder how well Jokiharju has fared in defensive coverage. Specificly i wat to see him against Ovechkin. But it looks like Jokiharju gets third pair possibly sheltered minutes judging by box scores. So a bit surprising Dahlin had assist on his goal.

So let me see if I can catch up.

1. This team/core can no longer play a pure possession game as evidenced by their performance for the previous 2 year under Q which were a miserable display of either players going through the motions or players no longer able to do what they once did (and Q refusing to change his system to accommodate the lack of talent).

2. JC comes in and lets them play, and while they score like crazy, the defense is awful - with many posters expressing how awful the Hawks are even though they win at a 100+ point pace. Everyone "knows" this style will never succeed in the playoffs.

3. JC switches things up to a more dump and chase, 200 foot system, which the core also can't play, but the bottom lines can and show a decent amount of success. The defense is vastly improved, but now the Hawks can't score. Everyone hates this too.

It seems maybe the personnel isn't there to play one style or the other. Stan has assembled a team that is now in a middle ground where the pieces don't quite fit together. And that's he's slowly trying to minimize the core's importance.

It's something that pops into my head when I try to make lines. Kane is always out of place, so maybe it's best to just stick him with Strome and Dinky and keep them out there with the top pairing as much as possible and hope for the best.
- tazer_and_diet

Hit it right on the head, imo.

So let me see if I can catch up.

1. This team/core can no longer play a pure possession game as evidenced by their performance for the previous 2 year under Q which were a miserable display of either players going through the motions or players no longer able to do what they once did (and Q refusing to change his system to accommodate the lack of talent).

2. JC comes in and lets them play, and while they score like crazy, the defense is awful - with many posters expressing how awful the Hawks are even though they win at a 100+ point pace. Everyone "knows" this style will never succeed in the playoffs.

3. JC switches things up to a more dump and chase, 200 foot system, which the core also can't play, but the bottom lines can and show a decent amount of success. The defense is vastly improved, but now the Hawks can't score. Everyone hates this too.

It seems maybe the personnel isn't there to play one style or the other. Stan has assembled a team that is now in a middle ground where the pieces don't quite fit together. And that's he's slowly trying to minimize the core's importance.

It's something that pops into my head when I try to make lines. Kane is always out of place, so maybe it's best to just stick him with Strome and Dinky and keep them out there with the top pairing as much as possible and hope for the best.
- tazer_and_diet

The league has changed and our old style doesn’t work anymore. You can’t let players continue to play the old style because we want to win cups, right? So we need to change the philosophy. JC comes in changes the style to COMPETE with the new system. 1/2 of the team gets it, the other 1/2 is either trapped by those who don’t get it or they are to hard headed or incapable of playing anymore. So the team needs to remove the dead weight (Seabrook, most if not all of the core) in order for us to win cups again.

So what’s more important, win now only to lose any chance of winning cups or sacrifice the dead weight and suffer some bad PR and change the team to win more cups?

To be or not to be....

Thanks and hope you are well.

You think JC is legit NHL coach or saddled with turds that he can't show what he could truly do with the right players OR some where in between?
- SteveRain

I'm not sure. I know he's inexperienced, but high priced players owe him an effort. Time will tell, and probably sooner than later.

If you want to get to know Kirby Dach, you MUST listen to his 25 minute interview on Spittin' Chicklets Episode 214 (starting at 1hr:33 minutes). He is one savvy 18 year old -- not a kid at all! Great inside info on Keith, Kane, Seabs, Hawks' coaches, and the entire team.

I'm not sure. I know he's inexperienced, but high priced players owe him an effort. Time will tell, and probably sooner than later.
- 6628

Exactly! I had high hopes for JC, but am unimpressed so far. If he's not succeeding because 4 players earning 33 million a year combined won't give the effort, the "core" needs to be shaken to theirs.