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@FlaPanthers. Coach Joel Quenneville hops on the line.. who are his favorite young players in the NHL?

https://t.co/CZAE7m9iuO?amp=1

Obligatory "Q hates young players"
- pdx2ord

Can't believe he likes Pirri that much.

C'mon 'Hawks, let's get 2 points in regulation tonight, get even with the Sharks for that previous game in Chicago.

Listening to the Q thing now

Cracking up listening to him talk about how different it is managing the players in the current generation

you do not come here to talk hockey, you come here to spew nonsense and when someone calls you on it you go cry to someone to get them banned
- GPHawksfan

As opposed to those who just sit back and ridicule if you criticize the current coach/decisions?

I guess those snowflakes are ok....as long as you're one of them.

Carry on

Are we allowed to ask why did the Hawks trade a 2nd, 3rd and 7th round pick to bring back Shaw, paying him nearly 4mil a year....only to play him 10min a game on the 4th line....while JC plays Kampf/Carpenter 15+ min a game?

While the Hawks sit dead last in goals for....maybe playing Shaw a bit more will help? (he did have 19g in 63 games last year while 64/22 have a combined total of 26 in 267gms)

As opposed to those who just sit back and ridicule if you criticize the current coach/decisions?

I guess those snowflakes are ok....as long as you're one of them.

Carry on
- PatShart

Or when you post ONLY information that proves correct your theory - 1st espoused about 3 minutes after his hiring - that the coach is an incompetent boob. And when you engage in mental gymnastics to support this mantra. Like this one.....Coach sux. Coach likes Kampf. Kampf must suck. Coach is a dope for breaking up Kampf's line, which is the "best line out there". But Kampf still sux, despite centering the best line.

Or when you post ONLY information that proves correct your theory - 1st espoused about 3 minutes after his hiring - that the coach is an incompetent boob. And when you engage in mental gymnastics to support this mantra. Like this one.....Coach sux. Coach likes Kampf. Kampf must suck. Coach is a dope for breaking up Kampf's line, which is the "best line out there". But Kampf still sux, despite centering the best line.
- mohel

And what do you bring to the table other than criticism of other peoples posts?

I back up my mantra with facts your golden coach is doing

And hes centering the best line, huh? I'm sure SJ is planning on matching Burns up against Kampf tonight....since hes centering the best line? I'll look for it

Are we allowed to ask why did the Hawks trade a 2nd, 3rd and 7th round pick to bring back Shaw, paying him nearly 4mil a year....only to play him 10min a game on the 4th line....while JC plays Kampf/Carpenter 15+ min a game?

While the Hawks sit dead last in goals for....maybe playing Shaw a bit more will help? (he did have 19g in 63 games last year while 64/22 have a combined total of 26 in 267gms)
- PatShart

Shaw has bounced around the line-up quite a bit, but my guess is penalties hurt his time, recently. Maybe it will go up with pp1 time.

Kampf & Carpenter have been overslotted, but I like what they bring. They get a lot of pk time from what I can see. They see ot & I don't agree with that at all.

I think Shaw was a big benefactor of being on a good, young, talented line in Montreal. Consistency mattered.

I'm a critic of JC just like everyone else, but I can wait & see if he learns from too much line juggling, who sits & plays, who gets more minutes ... all of that. I also think it is more than JC when it comes to decisions.

Shaw has bounced around the line-up quite a bit, but my guess is penalties hurt his time, recently. Maybe it will go up with pp1 time.

Kampf & Carpenter have been overslotted, but I like what they bring. They get a lot of pk time from what I can see. They see ot & I don't agree with that at all.

I think Shaw was a big benefactor of being on a good, young, talented line in Montreal. Consistency mattered.

I'm a critic of JC just like everyone else, but I can wait & see if he learns from too much line juggling, who sits & plays, who gets more minutes ... all of that. I also think it is more than JC when it comes to decisions.
- I Am The Breadman

I felt Shaw wasn't as physical as he normally has been, especially the last game, wondering if he's dinged up a bit.

Shaw does many of the little things a hockey player needs to do to help your team win. 50 50 pucks, keeps opponents head on a swivel and so on.

I felt Shaw wasn't as physical as he normally has been, especially the last game, wondering if he's dinged up a bit.

Shaw does many of the little things a hockey player needs to do to help your team win. 50 50 pucks, keeps opponents head on a swivel and so on.
- BetweenTheDots

Yeah, I'm not sure. Definitely something to keep an eye on tonight, because the Sharks should play aggressive, like they did last time. Shaw & Dillon had some bad blood between them last game. Look for those two again.

Agree with your whole second paragraph.

I felt Shaw wasn't as physical as he normally has been, especially the last game, wondering if he's dinged up a bit.

Shaw does many of the little things a hockey player needs to do to help your team win. 50 50 pucks, keeps opponents head on a swivel and so on.
- BetweenTheDots

I think there is a lot of merit where you posit Shaw may be a bit dinged up. Probably not the only 'Hawk in that situation.
And, truth be told, why I'm in favor of calling the slash penalty when someone's stick check makes contact with the other players glove or wrist.

I think there is a lot of merit where you posit Shaw may be a bit dinged up. Probably not the only 'Hawk in that situation.
And, truth be told, why I'm in favor of calling the slash penalty when someone's stick check makes contact with the other players glove or wrist.
- 35Tony0

So if hes allegedly hurt, why scratch a healthy Caggulia to play Shaw 10min a game? Doesnt make sense to other players limited/strange minute distribution either

And what do you bring to the table other than criticism of other peoples posts?

I back up my mantra with facts your golden coach is doing

And hes centering the best line, huh? I'm sure SJ is planning on matching Burns up against Kampf tonight....since hes centering the best line? I'll look for it
- PatShart

You were the guy whining about breaking up the Kampf line, earlier in the season. After calling him bad at hockey. So.......

With Toews and the 4 rookie on PP#2, isn't Nylander already playing that role? Kubalik is the shooter, Toews is the behind the net, Dach is the bumper, Bovquist is the point guy. Maybe in the future Dach is the distirbutor if we can find another forward that could effectively be the net front presence/bumper.
- LAHawk

Ideally it would be nice for Dach to not play the bumper role as I think he has more skill and vision to offer than to be the guy who picks up the trash or eclipse the goalie.

Plus it would help preserve his body as he's going to take a beating the rest of the game and is already doing so as a blue chip rookie.

If Shaw can play bumper on one PP unit, why not someone like Caggiula on the other unit? He has good hands and plays a rugged game to endure the heat in the crease.

In time, perhaps a youngster like Entwistle could be in that role. Big and tough to beat 1 on 1 in battles. I can really see him being great on both special teams and locking things down defensively especially in tight games and in the waning minutes.

You were the guy whining about breaking up the Kampf line, earlier in the season. After calling him bad at hockey. So.......
- mohel

Yeah...I was critical that in the 2nd game of the regular season, after Kubilak had 6sog and Saad 3 sog in the 1st period and then midway thru the 2nd period...JC decided to start rotating lines

Any other of my posts you want to bring up?

Yeah...I was critical that in the 2nd game of the regular season, after Kubilak had 6sog and Saad 3 sog in the 1st period and then midway thru the 2nd period...JC decided to start rotating lines

Any other of my posts you want to bring up?
- PatShart

Not really. But I'd give the rest of them more weight if maybe 1 of 20 or so acknowledged a correct move by the coach.

Not really. But I'd give the rest of them more weight if maybe 1 of 20 or so acknowledged a correct move by the coach.
- mohel

When he makes one, I'll acknowledge it

And I'll look forward to criticizing some of your posts when you talk hockey vs ridiculing other peoples posts

So if hes allegedly hurt, why scratch a healthy Caggulia to play Shaw 10min a game? Doesnt make sense to other players limited/strange minute distribution either
- PatShart

I don't know, makes sense, unless Shaw is trying to scale back his style of play so he doesn't commit as many penalties? It would be nice if he scored more but then again it'd be nice if the guy getting paid $10 mil was scoring more

When he makes one, I'll acknowledge it

And I'll look forward to criticizing some of your posts when you talk hockey vs ridiculing other peoples posts
- PatShart

Scratching 7 for 2 games was. Scratching Gusto for 1 was.

Scratching 7 for 2 games was. Scratching Gusto for 1 was.
- BetweenTheDots

Yeah...their defence looked good without 7

How many shots did they give up vs NASH?

Sorry.
While many are dogging Enzo for beating the horse, he's got a valid point.

Raise your hand if you:
1. thought the roster looked improved over last year?
2. expected a much better start given the opening homestand? (Europe not incl)
3. repeated over, give Colliton a full camp and preseason to employ his scheme?
4. expected better performance out of the "Core?"
5. expected better starts from Debrincat and Strome?
6. thought Seabrook would be serviceable with a real NHL d-man as partner?
7. expected goaltending to be a strength this year?
8. expected goal scoring to be no issue?

In my case, I raised my hand for #'s 1, 2, 4, 5, 7 and 8
And thought those of you foolish for raising your hand for #'s 3 and 6.
Never did and still don't think Colliton is a real NHL-quality coach.
And have thought Seabrook has been washed up now for a while. In the ever-increasing speed of NHL players, guile, experience and willingness only get you so far. And then you get turnstiled.
- savvyone-1

1. The roster is improved
2. Anything can happen in hockey but it would have been nice
3. No. The core played 10 years under the obsolete system, it’s going to take a full year after training camp to let the old dogs time to figure it out.
4. Yes but it’s harder to teach old dogs new tricks.
5. Yes
6. No he’s done.
7. Yes but instead we have our goalie of the future to build from.
8. Yes because the new system prioritized defense something some players just don’t get or know how to build offense from.

From Scott Powers:

The more things change the more they they same the same...this has to change if the hawks have any hope of being in the top 8...let alone having their goalies survive into January.

"This is where the Blackhawks ranked in 5-on-5 defensive categories per 60 minutes last season:

30th in shots on goal against at 33.74
31st in expected goals against at 2.68
31st in scoring chances against at 30.17
31st in high-danger chances against at 13.66

And this is where the Blackhawks rank in those same categories so far this season:

31st in shots on goal against at 35.69
30th in expected goals against at 2.65
30th in scoring chances against at 29.36
30th in high-danger chances against at 12.57"

Fair Weather fan lmao I've been playing hockey since before you were born. I was at the UC as an infant before you were born, and I have the Tomahawks C tattooed on my shoulder. I'm sure you hate seeing Height and Weight posts since you come across as a small boy, and you've never played the game. Hockey is a contact sport where physical and mental strength/tenacity are just as crucial as puck skill.


Blind kool-aid drinking and online shenanigans is one type of fandom that you are more than welcome to do. It's clear that's why you are here. I come to here to talk hockey with the many people here who have a wealth of hockey experience and knowledge.

Player, coach, and Management assessments for both positive and negative performance based on my nearly 30 years of Playing, Officiating (I was an IHOA referee from age 12-22), and Coaching experience is "fair weather" fan only in the eyes of a fool.


Only Losers are content with Losing, mediocrity, and "moral victories". Hawks have done a lot of losing the last 3 years, and you are entitled to be fine with losing. "Fair weather fan" is a childish low blow. Grow up kid.


EDIT: I also named my Dog after Coach Q
- EnzoD

You and mental strength in the same sentence? How many times have you taken your ball and gone home because a poster was mean to you? I think it might be double the amount of Hawk wins after 14 games.

You win for the best fan resume btw. Kudos on getting a Hawk tattoo to remind yourself what team you're a fan of after Cup wins.

#freejoelquenneville

Listening to the Q thing now

Cracking up listening to him talk about how different it is managing the players in the current generation
- pdx2ord

Welcome to Joe Maddon's world.

Whaaaaaaaaat?????? consistent lines, pairs and goalie two games in a row?? Blasphemous!



Ben Pope‏ @BenPopeCST

Hawks’ lines and pairs:

Nylander-Toews-Saad
DeBrincat-Strome-Kane
Kubalik-Kampf-Dach
Caggiula-Carpenter-Shaw

Boqvist-Keith
De Haan-Seabrook
Maatta-Gustafsson
Gilbert-Koekkoek

Lehner
Crawford
- Chunk

Without looking it up, I believe the line-up in NSH was the same one that beat the Kings at th UC.