If that's your question, why wouldn't you just fire the coach?
- HawkintheD

I would fire the coach, but looking at the overall picture , Stan was given a chance he waited to long and at the wrong time to fire a hot coach , whom wasn't given much to work with. The blunder their was not firing coach Q the summer prior andmstan dying his due diligence in search of and interviewing head coaching candidates.
He turned to a guy who has no history elevated him to head coach.

Then made this guy his pick . Clearly it's not working out , at some point which I believe and a lot of hawks fans share the same feeling

Fire Stan bring in a new general manager with no emotional ties yo this team and a clear vision for the future and let him rebuild this team including a new head coach.

Management change is made when they feel it's become stagnant or the results are no longer their.

Generally I'd agree, and I don't necessarily think the answer is blowing up the team. Maybe they do have a light bulb moment and everything starts clicking.

It's just looked waaaaayyy off at times so far. I flipped it off after the 2nd, but it sounds like they shortened the end of game 5 minute push to three minutes and made the score closer than the actual game
- HawkintheD

Hawks MO for at least the last full season..Be ok for a game or two and then be god awful bad for a couple. Rinse and repeat. Don't you think it's high time to go in different direction?

I wonder that every game. Cannot wrap head around how we went from playing at 100pt pace latter half of last season, acquired ostensibly better players over the summer (DEF a better backup goalie), and we are seeing this absolute poop show.

Now, I know what the players who were here when Q was hired to "help" with Savvy (and maybe a few others) were thinking the minute Crawford was hired, so did that just kill their confidence in JC? Is Crawford overriding him on the bench? or at practices? Who knows...

Maybe it is just JC deciding to completely change the team's style and they're not able and/or willing to do it.
- pdx2ord

Good post.

Good post.
- 6628

Lets be positive

Lets be positive
- just69sayin

Ok, the Blues last year had a veteran coach as an asst coach and elevated him last year. And they had the least amount of points in mid january. Then go on to win the cup. So things should fall right into place.

Hawks have scored 21 goals 5x5 - 1.5 / game - 28th in the league.

Not enough at all - especially when they only have 4 PP goals.

Overall - 2.36 GPG - 29 in the league.

The good news is - they lead the league with 3 goals in 6x5 play. The bad news is that means their behind a lot at the end of games.

Actually, the good news is that they’ve reduced goals against - probably due to the goalies, but it seems to me that the defense has gotten better at protecting the goalie by clearing pucks better from around the net (even if they can’t quite clear the zone). They are allowing less than 2 per game 5x5.

I would fire the coach, but looking at the overall picture , Stan was given a chance he waited to long and at the wrong time to fire a hot coach , whom wasn't given much to work with. The blunder their was not firing coach Q the summer prior andmstan dying his due diligence in search of and interviewing head coaching candidates.
He turned to a guy who has no history elevated him to head coach.

Then made this guy his pick . Clearly it's not working out , at some point which I believe and a lot of hawks fans share the same feeling

Fire Stan bring in a new general manager with no emotional ties yo this team and a clear vision for the future and let him rebuild this team including a new head coach.

Management change is made when they feel it's become stagnant or the results are no longer their.
- Taylorst1

There (their) (they're) comes a time when a coach needs to be fired. Is JC the problem? Are we sure another coach will get more from the team? Or do we panic after 10 or 12 games when the team is trying to grasp the system of the new coach?

Another smart decision to go to bed. This is such a depressing situation, the Bears circling the drain, the Hawks will soon be if something doesn't change.

When do pitchers and catchers report? Oh goodie, putting my hopes in the friggin White Sox.

Hawks have scored 21 goals 5x5 - 1.5 / game - 28th in the league.

Not enough at all - especially when they only have 4 PP goals.

Overall - 2.36 GPG - 29 in the league.

The good news is - they lead the league with 3 goals in 6x5 play. The bad news is that means their behind a lot at the end of games.

Actually, the good news is that they’ve reduced goals against - probably due to the goalies, but it seems to me that the defense has gotten better at protecting the goalie by clearing pucks better from around the net (even if they can’t quite clear the zone). They are allowing less than 2 per game 5x5.
- StLBravesFan

now that's


1 goal less 6v5 then the pp 5v4 or 3...

Let's say you are the new GM for the Hawks.
Your roster is composed of a group of now overpaid vets that nobody wants. Then you have a group due for a raise that is not warranted but you are committed to pay or lose them. Any moves that you can make result in too little Cap room to achieve any significant improvement.

Face it, my friends, what you see is what you get until these bloated contacts expire. And BTW why is Dach here? He spends more time on his rear end than on his skates. We are wasting one contract year on this future rebuild asset.

You are bang on with no compete level. Hunter would go down to the dressing room and kick some ass after a game like tonight. But Hunter doesn't fit the McD corporate image so forget it.
- RickJ

Well that seals it McD needs to go, he hasn't a clue what effect
winning had to do with filling the UC...I gotta feeling he's gonna
find out rather quickly.

Lets be positive
- just69sayin

Yes
At the end of the night I look at the TANK standings and feel much better.

Well that seals it McD needs to go, he hasn't a clue what effect
winning had to do with filling the UC...I gotta feeling he's gonna
find out rather quickly.
- gazza53

And it is not just losing, but the way that we are losing that will soon affect UC attendance.

And it is not just losing, but the way that we are losing that will soon affect UC attendance.
- 67hawks

http://www.espn.com/nhl/attendance

I would think that would happen but, apparently the UC for a Hawks game is still a happening place.

Hawks should put up a banner.

Heres an idea for the Hawks..

Dont have 5 coaches behind the bench. And I'm sure there is a video/analytic coach behind the scenes in the players grill every minute (instructed by the front office to give data 24/7 ip to the minute)

Then McD, Jay Blunk and any other board member needs to stay out of the dressing room and day to day business. Q would not let them do this and meddle....which is a huge reason for the "rift" between him and the FO

They players have so many voices telling then so many things - no wonder they are all lost.

Which is why they need a strong minded coach back there to tell the FO to back off. Take charge of both the team and the bench.

Front office- go sell tickets and do front office things. Stay off of the bench, off out of the dressing room and get a coach that will take charge, not a pushover/patsy.

And it is not just losing, but the way that we are losing that will soon affect UC attendance.
- 67hawks

not sure...attendence maybe...ticket sales probably not

secondary market is no where near as hot as 4-5 years ago but you still pay a premium...

hell i just bought tickets for the stars game on 11/26 yesterday...

now this team starts having seasons like the "gory" days 1996 - 2007: 1 season above 81 pts and a low of 59...the UC will become a hall of echos...

this team looks like getting 70 pts is a major accomplishment

There (their) (they're) comes a time when a coach needs to be fired. Is JC the problem? Are we sure another coach will get more from the team? Or do we panic after 10 or 12 games when the team is trying to grasp the system of the new coach?
- paulr

I thought it was natural for an NHL team to have players creating traffic and screens in front of the opposing team's goaltender and to have a defenceman or 2 willing to lay the body on forwards that are standing on their goaltenders head. The Hawks do neither. I can't blame that exclusively on the coach.

Heres an idea for the Hawks..

Dont have 5 coaches behind the bench. And I'm sure there is a video/analytic coach behind the scenes in the players grill every minute (instructed by the front office to give data 24/7 ip to the minute)

Then McD, Jay Blunk and any other board member needs to stay out of the dressing room and day to day business. Q would not let them do this and meddle....which is a huge reason for the "rift" between him and the FO

They players have so many voices telling then so many things - no wonder they are all lost.

Which is why they need a strong minded coach back there to tell the FO to back off. Take charge of both the team and the bench.

Front office- go sell tickets and do front office things. Stay off of the bench, off out of the dressing room and get a coach that will take charge, not a pushover/patsy.
- PatShart

Ah yes! It was only a matter of time for old narratives to resurface. Meddling McD going into the dressing room and meddling and JC allowing him to do this. How do you know McD goes into the room and if he does how do you know he’s meddling and how do you know JC is complicit? Asking for a friend.

Too late now, I guess, but how many games has Dach actually played for the Hawks?

not sure...attendence maybe...ticket sales probably not

secondary market is no where near as hot as 4-5 years ago but you still pay a premium...

hell i just bought tickets for the stars game on 11/26 yesterday...

now this team starts having seasons like the "gory" days 1996 - 2007: 1 season above 81 pts and a low of 59...the UC will become a hall of echos...

this team looks like getting 70 pts is a major accomplishment
- bogiedoc

You're right but, it's going to be the folks that want to actually watch NHL hockey who don't show up.

Too many are there (their/they're) for the over-the-top anthem ceremony, the "one last shift" and bobble head giveaways to really pay any attention to the game. They show up. Hope something historical happens so they can say that they were there (their/they're).

Last game I went to, the guy in front of me was on his cell phone the entire game and then decides that during a PP in a tied game in the 3rd, he was going to stand up and wave to his friends sitting somewhere else.

God I hate (frank)ing people.

Ah yes! It was only a matter of time for old narratives to resurface. Meddling McD going into the dressing room and meddling and JC allowing him to do this. How do you know McD goes into the room and if he does how do you know he’s meddling and how do you know JC is complicit? Asking for a friend.
- paulr

Reading tea leaves? Seeing the trend of the last staff and transition to this one. Players who have had success now look completely lost - as if all they're doing is thinking on the ice versus reacting and cant even break the puck out. Usually (and speaking of my own experience both playing and coaching) that happens when players are getting too many different voices and not having 1 direction . Then you see what...4-5 coaches now behind the bench during games. Why? And, was it made up when the FO was sending Barry Smith down to try to tell Q what to do? Asking for your same friend who sees what he wants to see as well. Also, who did JC beat out when interviewing for the job? Same friend wants to know that too!!

But...its probably more because Seabrook sucks, Toews doesnt care and Keith is a selfish jerk. That would make more sense.

I thought it was natural for an NHL team to have players creating traffic and screens in front of the opposing team's goaltender and to have a defenceman or 2 willing to lay the body on forwards that are standing on their goaltenders head. The Hawks do neither. I can't blame that exclusively on the coach.
- RickJ

Rick I have no idea if JC can coach at the NHL level but at this time there are too many questions about the make up of the team, the players themselves or if the team needs time to figure out what JC’s system is all about. We do know that this team isn’t a cup contender, it’s very possible it’s not a playoff team, the best players are still the core players and none are as good as they were 4 years ago. The good news is there are a number of what appear to be good prospects on the team and on the way up. Going into panic mode is never the answer, blowing up the team isn’t the answer at the moment, firing the coaching is also not the answer right now. The only action right now is to stay the course and see if the team can turn it around. If they can, great, they make the season interesting for the fans. If they can’t there is plenty of time to fire coaches, GMs and to move players.

not sure...attendence maybe...ticket sales probably not

secondary market is no where near as hot as 4-5 years ago but you still pay a premium...

hell i just bought tickets for the stars game on 11/26 yesterday...

now this team starts having seasons like the "gory" days 1996 - 2007: 1 season above 81 pts and a low of 59...the UC will become a hall of echos...

this team looks like getting 70 pts is a major accomplishment
- bogiedoc

As bad as they’ve looked - as bad as they’ve played - there is too much proven talent here to they can’t turn it around - not to Cup contenders, but at least into fighting for a tournament spot (and, based on relationships to “Bettman .500”, they are actually only 5 points out of a wild card spot now).

Kane and AdB should be good for 70 goals between them - they’re on pace for 45 - the difference would mean about 5 more goals thru the 14 games - perhaps turning a game or two around.

Strome should be a 20 goal scorer - not on pace for that. Saad is where he should be. Toews - well below - at 31, is he really done?

Add in new depth additions like Kubalik, Shaw (should be a bit more than “depth”), Carpenter, Caggiula (I’ll include him here) - better than last year. I don’t expect much more from Dach, Nylander than we’ve seen - hopefully, incremental improvements over the rest of the season.

And the defense (including the goalies) is improved - even considering still giving up too many shots.

And - we can hope - the coaching should get better.

I haven’t completely given up on them - the next several games against quality teams will tell a lot.

I thought it was natural for an NHL team to have players creating traffic and screens in front of the opposing team's goaltender and to have a defenceman or 2 willing to lay the body on forwards that are standing on their goaltenders head. The Hawks do neither. I can't blame that exclusively on the coach.
- RickJ

Ya, been that way for years. They are not too good to blow off the fundamentals any more. Good post, agree.

Ah yes! It was only a matter of time for old narratives to resurface. Meddling McD going into the dressing room and meddling and JC allowing him to do this. How do you know McD goes into the room and if he does how do you know he’s meddling and how do you know JC is complicit? Asking for a friend.
- paulr

Glad you consider me a friend because I have the same questions.