That’s big issue. They played a system for so long, they can’t adapt to a new system.

We also can’t take just Keith’s word for it. This is just his perspective. But here’s a tough question, why are some of the players excelling in the system like Nylander, and the old dogs aren’t? If there is so much to think about, why aren’t the new guys also struggling?

Lehner even mentioned way back that the team is right on the cusp of getting it going and then wham! They lose it. Lehner was part of a system just like JC’s in NY, he knows it works.

There isn’t a lot to think about. Trust me when I say this. When you do something for so long and you are told you need to change it and do something else, the person experiencing the change, is the one causing the problem or in this case over thinking it.
- gifman

So glad you mentioned the young/old dichotomy, Gifland! The young guys appear to be giving their all, as they want to remain on the team. Mistakes like Boqvist made last night, are going to happen. But, I've never questioned his heart. Same applies for Nylander, Dach, Kubalik, or Kampf. More often than not, I question if some
the veterans feel the same way. The worst thing to happen to them, is that they'll be traded. An inconvenience no doubt. But, not the end of their world.

That’s big issue. They played a system for so long, they can’t adapt to a new system.

We also can’t take just Keith’s word for it. This is just his perspective. But here’s a tough question, why are some of the players excelling in the system like Nylander, and the old dogs aren’t? If there is so much to think about, why aren’t the new guys also struggling?

Lehner even mentioned way back that the team is right on the cusp of getting it going and then wham! They lose it. Lehner was part of a system just like JC’s in NY, he knows it works.

There isn’t a lot to think about. Trust me when I say this. When you do something for so long and you are told you need to change it and do something else, the person experiencing the change, is the one causing the problem or in this case over thinking it.
- gifman

Well they have been doing the push-em back entry on the PP for a couple of years with Q, and Keith still can't do it. One play last night he was at center ice, everyone in the building knew he was going to do it, and he pushed it back right onto a Sharks stick. I must say, Keith has always been a read and react player, he is not a "structured"type of player.

Toews and Seabs have both made public comments that it's hard to play the new system for them. Kane has made several "just have to figure it out/make it work" comments. So, I don't think this is an old guy v new guy thing. DBC and Strome are struggling, too.

Some of the new players may very well have come from systems that play a similar style to the style JC is trying to implement. Didn't Saad play that kind of game under Torts? Seabs said that for sure DeHaan has been helping him understand it better.

So overthinking may very well be the culprit, but short of jettisoning your entire offense and two major pieces of the D corps, what do you do but give it time?
- pdx2ord

The problem with Cat and Strome is they aren’t defense of players. The same holds for Kane. They think offense first. Look at the atrocious Corsi numbers that line posted last night. 22.22 and allowing 14 shots against. This should never happen and that’s why they weren’t playing together in the first place. It is also a reason why Cat and a Strome were on the 4th line, they weren’t putting in the effort.

If you want to win, you need to play defense. If you don’t want to put in the effort than you need to go. Core or no core.

I heard Zawaski’s rant and I had a certain level of respect for him until today. He, as a broadcast journalist, should be asking these questions. He doesn’t, he toes the company line. Probably a pawn of McD.

If they fire JC and hire Crawford in the interim, then they will be doing exactly what they have been doing all year. One step forward and 2 steps back. You can’t possibly think that Crawford isn’t massaging this so that he becomes head coach. There is a definite conflict of interest here. Not to mention he has a family member as video coach?

If I were a journalist I would be all over this.

What I definitely don't want to see are overblown negative PR campaigns like we did with Sharpy to sour the fans on these players or disrespectful treatment of them by the in-house media or coaches, given that they did give us so much to be thankful for over past decade. Their contracts are NOT their fault. Tarnishing their legacy because you are mad that they will not waive the NMCs YOU gave them makes you a crappy person and a terrible manager.

I do think some of them might waive if you have options that are attractive to them. Just not sure those are going to be easy to find.
- pdx2ord

In-house media won't say a bad word. They're on the payroll, and played alongside these ex-peers. Apologists? No. Keister kissers? Yes. I'd probably do the same thing.

Seabrook since he will be here until Y3K.
- rpeters01

Now that made me laugh. Gotta find some levity in the midst of such darkness. Good job.

The problem with Cat and Strome is they aren’t defense of players. The same holds for Kane. They think offense first. Look at the atrocious Corsi numbers that line posted last night. 22.22 and allowing 14 shots against. This should never happen and that’s why they weren’t playing together in the first place. It is also a reason why Cat and a Strome were on the 4th line, they weren’t putting in the effort.

- gifman

That is why I DO NOT UNDERSTAND why every talking head paid by the team and Laz cannot stop talking about how "this is the best line ever constructed and how happy and thrilled Kane is to be playing with these two guys because it's with them he plays his best." Total BS and the stats and Kane's face during the game tell a completely different story.

These guys have proven in the past what real chemistry looks like: Kane/Toews, Kane/Toews/Sharpy, Toews/Hossa, Kane/Panarin. I don't see anything close to that with 12-17-88 in game situations.

This has to be on the coach.I like Bowman,yes he has made some mistakes ,but I think JC system does not work for this team.You can’t keep on getting outshot every game by a large margin and expect to win.Its become a joke.Bowman went out this summer and got us better defencemen,got us more grit and we still can play this system.It has to be on the coach.The players look pissed.It doesn’t work.I could imagine what the vets are saying to one another.The locker room is a mess,and we have young guys who see this first hand.Its a bad situation right now and I don’t see it changing any time soon.Go Hawks.
- Tatoo

For me the thing is not just shots against - as those are only saves and goals - but also the blocked shots, and the both of them together gives a pretty good idea of possession and in what zone.

How many PP goals does the team have? 4? Is that even correct? ( I assume so) - how many short handed goals have they given up this season already? I remember 2 in the last week alone - thought there was at least 1 earlier. What's the net pp production after considering shorties? That's unreal.

I think it’s fair to question the core players desire to see jc succeed. Looking at how they finished last year and the improvements in goal and the over all line up we should see at least similar results to improved ones from last year. Did sitting seabrook for two games cause this response from the players? I understand they weren’t playing well before it. I believe the 6th marked his one year mark as head coach. Perhaps some of the core players view Crawford as a better option

Now that its clear that this season is most likely over and the playoffs hopes slim to none. What is next, keep hoping they turn it around its possible but inconsistent play just points to another season of frustration and disappointment. Who should be let go first jc or bowman? When do we here from rocky and mcego? Is time for a full rebuild ( yes)? Imo the message or system is the problem or the players are not getting the system or tuning out the coach. Who know but its clear there serious problems that need to be addressed and fixed quickly. So who top five draft picks for next year's draft?

Now that its clear that this season is most likely over and the playoffs hopes slim to none. What is next, keep hoping they turn it around its possible but inconsistent play just points to another season of frustration and disappointment. Who should be let go first jc or bowman? When do we here from rocky and mcego? Is time for a full rebuild ( yes)? Imo the message or system is the problem or the players are not getting the system or tuning out the coach. Who know but its clear there serious problems that need to be addressed and fixed quickly. So who top five draft picks for next year's draft?
- Scott1977

This team has the talent to be fighting for a playoff spot - a "bubble team" to be sure, but one that shouldn't be out of the race.

At this point, the Hawks are -3 to "Bettman .500" (4-7-3). The closest teams they are chasing in a playoff spot are Calgary (9-7-2) and Winnipeg (9-7-1) at +2 each. So - the Hawks are really only 5 points out of the tournament. Do-able.

IF they can make the best use of their roster, here or in Rockford - the talent should be there to make a run (although almost certainly not enough to be a Cup contender).

The media vultures (including those in-house) are circling and I expect them to get louder...in addition to the Zawaski thing posted earlier, there were these in quick succession. Whether a talking point slid under the table by the FO or an obvious story line, who knows?

https://theathletic.com/1...ave-everything-in-common/

https://www.nbcsports.com...sed-under-jeremy-colliton

https://www.barstoolsport...ngs-are-objectively-worse

This stat/quote stuck out to me in the Barstool rant (yes, rant):

Even Strength Dump-In Rate WITH PRESSURE

CHI: 37%

SJS: 50%

I want you to focus on that last one. The stat with pressure. That means that this is a VOLUNTARY CHOICE. That means that the Blackhawks aren’t being forced to dump it in. It isn’t something that they’re doing because the other team is doing some specific tactic. The Blackhawks are willingly playing dump and chase even when they don’t have to. That is astounding. You want to know why Kane looks like he wants to kill himself after every game, that’s it.

The media vultures (including those in-house) are circling and I expect them to get louder...in addition to the Zawaski thing posted earlier, there were these in quick succession. Whether a talking point slid under the table by the FO or an obvious story line, who knows?

https://theathletic.com/1...ave-everything-in-common/

https://www.nbcsports.com...sed-under-jeremy-colliton

https://www.barstoolsport...ngs-are-objectively-worse

This stat/quote stuck out to me in the Barstool rant (yes, rant):

Even Strength Dump-In Rate WITH PRESSURE

CHI: 37%

SJS: 50%

I want you to focus on that last one. The stat with pressure. That means that this is a VOLUNTARY CHOICE. That means that the Blackhawks aren’t being forced to dump it in. It isn’t something that they’re doing because the other team is doing some specific tactic. The Blackhawks are willingly playing dump and chase even when they don’t have to. That is astounding. You want to know why Kane looks like he wants to kill himself after every game, that’s it.
- pdx2ord

"Fire Stan

Fire Colliton

Free Kane."



I'd also like to add FREE KIRBY, who once again barely saw the ice in the 3rd period and finished with 10 minutes total.

This team has the talent to be fighting for a playoff spot - a "bubble team" to be sure, but one that shouldn't be out of the race.

At this point, the Hawks are -3 to "Bettman .500" (4-7-3). The closest teams they are chasing in a playoff spot are Calgary (9-7-2) and Winnipeg (9-7-1) at +2 each. So - the Hawks are really only 5 points out of the tournament. Do-able.

IF they can make the best use of their roster, here or in Rockford - the talent should be there to make a run (although almost certainly not enough to be a Cup contender).
- StLBravesFan

Hope so? Here is a question is better for the hawks to make the playoffs or get a top 10 pick in next year's draft? Just proposing short term to long term success for the organization.

Hope so? Here is a question is better for the hawks to make the playoffs or get a top 10 pick in next year's draft? Just proposing short term to long term success for the organization.
- Scott1977

We have a winner!! November 6 and starting draft talk. Tanking. It’s the Blackhawk way.

"Fire Stan

Fire Colliton

Free Kane."



I'd also like to add FREE KIRBY, who once again barely saw the ice in the 3rd period and finished with 10 minutes total.
- EnzoD

Kane was freed last night and he laid a massive poop egg

We have a winner!! November 6 and starting draft talk. Tanking. It’s the Blackhawk way.
- VopatsRash

Who is this clown?

The media vultures (including those in-house) are circling and I expect them to get louder...in addition to the Zawaski thing posted earlier, there were these in quick succession. Whether a talking point slid under the table by the FO or an obvious story line, who knows?

https://theathletic.com/1...ave-everything-in-common/

https://www.nbcsports.com...sed-under-jeremy-colliton

https://www.barstoolsport...ngs-are-objectively-worse

This stat/quote stuck out to me in the Barstool rant (yes, rant):

Even Strength Dump-In Rate WITH PRESSURE

CHI: 37%

SJS: 50%

I want you to focus on that last one. The stat with pressure. That means that this is a VOLUNTARY CHOICE. That means that the Blackhawks aren’t being forced to dump it in. It isn’t something that they’re doing because the other team is doing some specific tactic. The Blackhawks are willingly playing dump and chase even when they don’t have to. That is astounding. You want to know why Kane looks like he wants to kill himself after every game, that’s it.
- pdx2ord

The McD factor is at work. We can't blame the guys or Stan.

Maybe the Seabs sitting didn't go down well w/McD

No one mentions what 12-17-19-88 did last year compared
to this year, what's changed, Crawford behind the bench.

We have a winner!! November 6 and starting draft talk. Tanking. It’s the Blackhawk way.
- VopatsRash

Stanley Cup droughts
This is a list of the teams and the number of seasons since they have won the Stanley Cup. This list does not include the most recent Stanley Cup Champions: the St. Louis Blues.

Team Last Stanley Cup Subsequent Stanley Cup
Finals losses Stanley Cup
drought
Toronto Maple Leafs 1966–67 51 seasons
Buffalo Sabres never (inception of franchise in 1970–71) 2 : 1974–75, 1998–99 48 seasons
Vancouver Canucks never (inception of franchise in 1970–71) 3 : 1981–82, 1993–94, 2010–11 48 seasons
Philadelphia Flyers 1974–75 6 : 1975–76, 1979–80, 1984–85, 1986–87, 1996–97, 2009–10 43 seasons
Arizona Coyotes never (franchise entered the NHL in 1979–80) 39 seasons1
New York Islanders 1982–83 1 : 1983–84 35 seasons
Calgary Flames 1988–89 1 : 2003–04 29 seasons
Edmonton Oilers 1989–90 1 : 2005–06 28 seasons
San Jose Sharks never (inception of franchise in 1991–92) 1 : 2015–16 27 seasons
Ottawa Senators never (inception of franchise in 1992–93) 1 : 2006–07 26 seasons
Montreal Canadiens 1992–93 25 seasons
Florida Panthers never (inception of franchise in 1993–94) 1 : 1995–96 25 seasons
New York Rangers 1993–94 1 : 2013–14 24 seasons
Nashville Predators never (inception of franchise in 1998–99)

The McD factor is at work. We can't blame the guys or Stan.

Maybe the Seabs sitting didn't go down well w/McD

No one mentions what 12-17-19-88 did last year compared
to this year, what's changed, Crawford behind the bench.
- gazza53

That point about last year v this year and what has changed continues as a mind boggling fact to me. Why? Why is almost no one drawing those comparisons and looking at how the changes in approach this year might be affecting performance.

Who is this clown?
- PatShart

It propose question to start a discussion about short term sucess by making the playoffs or long term success by picking in the top ten. I m not advocating tanking but its clear something is wrong and needs to be fix.

We have a winner!! November 6 and starting draft talk. Tanking. It’s the Blackhawk way.
- VopatsRash

How many Stanley Cups does Nashville has um zero is how many. So when Nashville wins one then you can speak until then silence is best.

Kane was freed last night and he laid a massive poop egg
- gifman

He had an assist, 2 SOG.

But being a veteran I know, he sucks and hates changes. That's who he has been his whole career and it's now showing, right?

Right along with that loser Keith who had a goal, 3 SOG 25min of ice, was even (and not +1 due to the EN goal) while paired with a 19yr old in his 3rd-4th game of his career. That selfish, mean bully Keith.

We have a winner!! November 6 and starting draft talk. Tanking. It’s the Blackhawk way.
- VopatsRash

Us Blackhawk fans live in a reality world rather than the fantasy
world of the Perd fans who rejoice in getting banners for participating

The media vultures (including those in-house) are circling and I expect them to get louder...in addition to the Zawaski thing posted earlier, there were these in quick succession. Whether a talking point slid under the table by the FO or an obvious story line, who knows?

https://theathletic.com/1...ave-everything-in-common/

https://www.nbcsports.com...sed-under-jeremy-colliton

https://www.barstoolsport...ngs-are-objectively-worse

This stat/quote stuck out to me in the Barstool rant (yes, rant):

Even Strength Dump-In Rate WITH PRESSURE

CHI: 37%

SJS: 50%

I want you to focus on that last one. The stat with pressure. That means that this is a VOLUNTARY CHOICE. That means that the Blackhawks aren’t being forced to dump it in. It isn’t something that they’re doing because the other team is doing some specific tactic. The Blackhawks are willingly playing dump and chase even when they don’t have to. That is astounding. You want to know why Kane looks like he wants to kill himself after every game, that’s it.
- pdx2ord

And Colliton expects Dcat Strome Kane to play dump and chase. Reason #1 their underlying numbers were horrible. None of those players can play that style. Dump in, turnover puck, get buried in your own end, scramble to clear zone and get a line change. Repeat until down 3 goals.

And Colliton expects Dcat Strome Kane to play dump and chase. Reason #1 their underlying numbers were horrible. None of those players can play that style. Dump in, turnover puck, get buried in your own end, scramble to clear zone and get a line change. Repeat until down 3 goals.
- bhawks2241

LOL Sharks Head Coach Peter DeBoer called his team "SOFT" on Friday. What do you think he called the Hawks??