Yes, seriously. He's a converted RW. He defaults to off-wing on the rush. He's not very good on draws. Etc.

Personally I'd rather have him at C than Patrick, but I'm not gonna cry over either of them playing 'out of position'.
- Tomahawk

Hayes is a better center than Patrick is. Patrick has a medical issue and who knows how fast he is going to be able to get back into game shape. He may also face a reoccurrence of his issues. Moving Hayes off of center is a bad idea. If Patrick is going to play center, they should move Giroux back to the wing and leave Hayes at center.

no chance to win the cap cup. damn
- daryl stanley

How will it look if they actually keep up this pace of play and are pushing for top 2 in the division and the trade deadline rolls around and chuckles cant make a trade due to lack of cap space? Or to make a trade he has to way overpay with other assets? How about an injury, how does chuckles add to the team?

I am sure your response will be just the same

"damn"

Players play within the system and team play. Giroux has his responsibilities as a center no different from any other center on the team. Both JVR and Farabee have been playing well away from the puck.
- MJL

Yes, but its still a mental adjustment and its probably not as simple as just saying his duties are no different. He still knows who JVR is and has been and he knows Farabee is a rookie. None of that means either are playing badly...all it may mean is that he could have a moment's hesitation worrying about defensive coverage and that can mean the difference between a lane closing or not.

Hayes is a better center than Patrick is. Patrick has a medical issue and who knows how fast he is going to be able to get back into game shape. He may also face a reoccurrence of his issues. Moving Hayes off of center is a bad idea. If Patrick is going to play center, they should move Giroux back to the wing and leave Hayes at center.
- MJL

Not gonna argue with that first statement.

I feel like if they move G to wing, you'll see Hayes bumped up to that line. And IIRC that wasn't so effective when they tried it before. Then you're left with either Laughton or NP center L3, and I feel like neither is up to that task coming off injury.

Yes, but its still a mental adjustment and its probably not as simple as just saying his duties are no different. He still knows who JVR is and has been and he knows Farabee is a rookie. None of that means either are playing badly...all it may mean is that he could have a moment's hesitation worrying about defensive coverage and that can mean the difference between a lane closing or not.
- juiced

Sure it's a mental adjustment going from wing to center but the adjustment is due to the position change not due to who his wingers are in my opinion.

I hope so too
Pretty sure he gets to 40-45 points, at least I hope so
Less would be a disappointment
- Marc D

The perennial 60 point guy only getting 45 points? say it ain't so!

After 20% of the season, the 7.1M dollar man is on pace for 34 points

Feelings < Facts

4th-line has (finally) been effective since Andreoff's been put in.
- Tomahawk

Is it feelings or facts Andy Andreoff has been a Flyer for all of two minutes but yes, we finally have an effective fourth line...

You make some valid points
As Flyers fans we have gotten used to the 4th line as being poor the last few seasons and when they can hold their own and not need to be sheltered to under 7-8 minutes a game it is a noted improvement from the recent past.

To get to level of the best teams they’ll need a 4th line that can chip in some offense as well as forecheck and play shut down.

Having Patrick healthy and Laughton back would certainly help. With those two out I’m pretty happy with Raffl/Pitlick/Andreoff the last few games.

Agree that Raffl is better as a winger. I think Laughton will slide into center when he’s back, but I also think SL is better at wing, and they eventually (maybe not this season) will need an upgrade at 4C. It’s kind of a luxury to have a good vet there, so maybe a prospect fills that spot.
- Marc D

You just stated yourself. Scott Laughton will return, so this fourth line will be broken up regardless. It is also an overreaction to get excited over this fourth line through all of two games.

A win is a win against Boston but realistically, they didn’t show up.

Understood that Patrick will need some time to get up to speed. But seriously...who has Hayes really had the most chemistry with? Probably JVR.

G just chant seem to get on the same page with JVR....but he seems to be getting there with Joel.
- juiced

When all are healthy can easily role 4 lines.

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Farabee and Hayes together for solid two way play. Jvr did show chemistry before. This is assuming g goes back to wing. The other lines I would try.

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81-19-93.

Bottom two really have a bunch of possibilities. Patrick and laughed at center or wing. And who really held until then.

The perennial 60 point guy only getting 45 points? say it ain't so!

After 20% of the season, the 7.1M dollar man is on pace for 34 points
- corduroy

Has he ever scored 60?

One question, are you enjoying this season so far? I’m loving it personally. Hayes no doubt has helped make them a better team.

As far as other options,I Don’t think the Flyers were ever a fit with Duchene, so I guess they either over pay Hayes as you do when you go for a prominent UFA, or go into the season with no #2c, play the fck out of #28 and #14 and hope for the best, which is more likely another shot at the draft lottery.

When all are healthy can easily role 4 lines.

28-19-93
23-14-11
25-13-49
12-21-18

Farabee and Hayes together for solid two way play. Jvr did show chemistry before. This is assuming g goes back to wing. The other lines I would try.

25-28-49
23-14-11
21-13-12
81-19-93.

Bottom two really have a bunch of possibilities. Patrick and laughed at center or wing. And who really held until then.
- Peter Richards

Do we know Patrick is coming back this season?

You just stated yourself. Scott Laughton will return, so this fourth line will be broken up regardless. It is also an overreaction to get excited over this fourth line through all of two games.

A win is a win against Boston but realistically, they didn’t show up.
- SuperSchennBros

Give the Flyers some credit vs Boston
Those first 2 periods were not just all Boston not showing up.

Regarding the current 4th line, I am happy for now but it will look better with SL back, agree.

Give the Flyers some credit vs Boston
Those first 2 periods were not just all Boston not showing up.

Regarding the current 4th line, I am happy for now but it will look better with SL back, agree.
- Marc D

Boston is the best team in the league and had trouble getting shots to Hart. Boston had a poor game and an off night. Yes, we took advantage of that as Boston gave us a 40 minute head start. After that, the Bruins flipped their switch.

Give the Flyers some credit vs Boston
Those first 2 periods were not just all Boston not showing up.

Regarding the current 4th line, I am happy for now but it will look better with SL back, agree.
- Marc D

if you can't give credit to the 4th line for only 2 games, It would make sense you can't vilify them for not converting on their chances.

Boston is the best team in the league and had trouble getting shots to Hart. Boston had a poor game and an off night. Yes, we took advantage of that as Boston gave us a 40 minute head start. After that, the Bruins flipped their switch.
- SuperSchennBros

We weren't playing a back to back or anything. Teams that have two goal leads going into the third tend to sag back and give up the majority of shots, not sure if you've watched much hockey.

Has he ever scored 60?

One question, are you enjoying this season so far? I’m loving it personally. Hayes no doubt has helped make them a better team.

As far as other options,I Don’t think the Flyers were ever a fit with Duchene, so I guess they either over pay Hayes as you do when you go for a prominent UFA, or go into the season with no #2c, play the fck out of #28 and #14 and hope for the best, which is more likely another shot at the draft lottery.
- Marc D

I am cautiously optimistic. But we have seen this out of this team before., which makes me hesitant to be too overjoyed

We weren't playing a back to back or anything. Teams that have two goal leads going into the third tend to sag back and give up the majority of shots, not sure if you've watched much hockey.
- ClaudeFather

Excuses excuses. Great teams still win most of their back to back games. Do you follow teams outside of Philadelphia?

Boston’s best game this year versus the Flyers best game this year, do you think Boston played their best game against us, yes or no? I would argue Boston played their worst game of the season this year. Good for us for taking advantage but don’t try to convince me we’re now contenders for beating the number one contenders on an off night.

Excuses excuses. Great teams still win most of their back to back games. Do you follow teams outside of Philadelphia?
- SuperSchennBros

they did win the B2B, they were the better team, it was not just because of the Bruins, it was the way the Flyers were playing.

just like when the Flyers hit their slump, it will be a combination of how they are playing and how the comp is playing.

Boston is the best team in the league and had trouble getting shots to Hart. Boston had a poor game and an off night. Yes, we took advantage of that as Boston gave us a 40 minute head start. After that, the Bruins flipped their switch.
- SuperSchennBros

Flyers have made a lot of teams look like they needed a switch to flip for extended portions of games this season. Hockey has a little something called momentum. I'm not surprised how good Boston looked once they got it. Flyers still withstood it and won the game.

they did win the B2B, they were the better team, it was not just because of the Bruins, it was the way the Flyers were playing.

just like when the Flyers hit their slump, it will be a combination of how they are playing and how the comp is playing.
- wcorvette

Did the Bruins bring their best game?

Are the Philadelphia Flyers as good as the Boston Bruins?

Flyers have made a lot of teams look like they needed a switch to flip for extended portions of games this season. Hockey has a little something called momentum. I'm not surprised how good Boston looked once they got it. Flyers still withstood it and won the game.
- Baxter27

Okay. We had momentum and put played them. What happened in the third period that got Boston back into it? What took from our momentum and gave to their momentum?

Okay. We had momentum and put played them. What happened in the third period that got Boston back into it? What took from our momentum and gave to their momentum?
- SuperSchennBros

Did the Bruins bring their best game?

Are the Philadelphia Flyers as good as the Boston Bruins?
- SuperSchennBros

The Flyers were on the 2nd of a b2b that went into OT and shootout. The Bruins were on a rest. The Flyers started to run out of juice in the 3rd. Saw the interview with the Boston HC, he even said that the Flyers were the best team until they ran out of gas due to b2b. Can't understand why you can't give credit where credit is due. If you're such a Bruin fan you could always go join their buzz instead.

Okay. We had momentum and put played them. What happened in the third period that got Boston back into it? What took from our momentum and gave to their momentum?
- SuperSchennBros

I feel sorry for you. Why a Flyers fan can't enjoy a 4 win week topped off with beating one of the beasts from the east is puzzling. Do you expect the flyers to dominate every game for 60 minutes and never relinquish momentum? Are those the standards to be a contender?