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Flexingtheshaft
New York Islanders
Location: NY
Joined: 06.21.2015

Nov 12 @ 9:02 PM ET
You've completely missed the point. Don could have told everyone who didn't buy a poppy to go buy one. Instead, he signaled out immigrants because he is an idiot, has no education and blames all his problems on immigrants while conveniently forgetting that we're all immigrants. Even without the "you people" it was still disgusting. Defending him is disgusting too. Blaming on a mob of people, or social media or the "left" is just stupid.

What scares me is the ideas that being against xenophobia and racism is a left wing concept. Be better, right wing people.

- James_Tanner


Xenophobia is made up, like most hate crimes In 2019...people dont hate each other as much as the media pretends they do..

Dont tell right wing people to be better. You need to be open minded to the idea not everyone thinks the way you do
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:04 PM ET
This will be the same person claiming Trump is a racist because he father didn't rent to blacks in the 70s

Trudeau was a teacher and 30 years old when he painted his face black.

I have never painted my face black. Have you?

It says something about you.

- sabresfan69



He actually didnt paint his face black. He painted it brownish gold. To look like aladin. That really was no big deal 20 years ago, just part of a costume.

The reason blackface is considered racist is it was historically used to mock black people. I think its quite clear that trudeau wasnt mocking any race. He wasnt even mocking aladin.

Ita something that has become taboo mich more in recent years. So be it.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Nov 12 @ 9:06 PM ET
Xenophobia is made up, like most hate crimes In 2019...people dont hate each other as much as the media pretends they do..

Dont tell right wing people to be better. You need to be open minded to the idea not everyone thinks the way you do

- Flexingtheshaft

Pretty hysterical that Eklund will proclaim that his bloggers don’t talk politics on his site and you have Tanner right here on this very thread telling “right wing people” to be better😂😂😂
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:06 PM ET
Too much discussion over this.

Did anybody even listen to don cherry anymore? I thought everyone tuned him out. And that was truly the biggest issue.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Nov 12 @ 9:07 PM ET
He actually didnt paint his face black. He painted it brownish gold. To look like aladin. That really was no big deal 20 years ago, just part of a costume.

The reason blackface is considered racist is it was historically used to mock black people. I think its quite clear that trudeau wasnt mocking any race. He wasnt even mocking aladin.

Ita something that has become taboo mich more in recent years. So be it.

- prock

My God😂😂😂

HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:07 PM ET
He actually didnt paint his face black. He painted it brownish gold. To look like aladin. That really was no big deal 20 years ago, just part of a costume.

The reason blackface is considered racist is it was historically used to mock black people. I think its quite clear that trudeau wasnt mocking any race. He wasnt even mocking aladin.

Ita something that has become taboo mich more in recent years. So be it.

- prock

He did it three times. Once dressed as "Aladdin" the other two not so much. He's just a hypocrite who would crucify anyone else for the same thing.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:09 PM ET
He did it three times. Once dressed "Aladdin" the other two not so much. He's just a hypocrite who would crucify anyone else for the same thing.
- HealthyScratch6


Were the others black? I only ever saw the alladin one.
HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:10 PM ET
Were the others black? I only ever saw the alladin one.
- prock

Google Justin Trudeau blackface
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:11 PM ET
My God😂😂😂
- Cptmjl



Its actually very different. There is historical significance in blackface. Not in brown, yellow, or blueface. None of them seem to be allowed anymore.
rmull905
Calgary Flames
Joined: 02.27.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:13 PM ET
He's literally just telling immigrants to buy poppies. You might not like the way he said it and he could definitely have said it better but all he's saying is to buy poppies and support the veterans.
- HealthyScratch6


Sigh... and that's (part of) the problem. It's about immigrants. That's just it. It's not about poppies.

Respectfully, you've got your opinion, I have mine, never the two shall meet. But this my friend of the internet...our dialogue... is how to convey opinions.
HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:14 PM ET
Its actually very different. There is historical significance in blackface. Not in brown, yellow, or blueface. None of them seem to be allowed anymore.
- prock

It's all called cultural appropriation these days. Same as dressing up as an Indian for Halloween. I honestly don't care that he did something 20 years ago that would be offensive today. I thought Robert Downey Jr was hilarious in tropic thunder. If you watch Jamie fox on Joe Rogan he said that neither nor any of his black friends found it offensive(tropic thunder). I just think Justin Trudeau is a hypocrite.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Nov 12 @ 9:15 PM ET
Google Justin Trudeau blackface
- HealthyScratch6

Ralph Northram. Mysteriously ok that he had multiple pics with blackface on. Also dressed in a KKK gown. Forgotten about by the media. Selective attacks. Ok for some not others.
rrentz
New York Rangers
Location: HUNTINGTON, NY
Joined: 07.13.2009

Nov 12 @ 9:16 PM ET
Its actually very different. There is historical significance in blackface. Not in brown, yellow, or blueface. None of them seem to be allowed anymore.
- prock


Who cares. I'm sure plenty of black people dress up as a white guy at Halloween parties, but it wouldn't bother me. I don't see those videos being leaked....double standard, and the slavery excuse is way too dated. There isn't a race, ethnicity, or religion who hasn't been persecuted as we speak or in the past...Race baiting is the only way the left can marginalize their opposition because their ideas have been tried over and over again and have been PROVEN to fail every time!

Socialism?...nope

Unhindered illegal immigration?...nope

Universal health care?.... nope...and for those who are Canadian, be honest, if you have the $$ you are coming to the US for many procedures, either due to wait times or quality.

Hmmm..what else? Anyone?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:18 PM ET
Google Justin Trudeau blackface
- HealthyScratch6



There is one with an afro. Yeah a little more taboo, and for longer.

I personally a) dont like politics. B) dont think it should automatically be considered racist if youre not trying to mock someone, i dont see why its racist. If youre dressing as a character chances are youre not mocking them. I can actually see it being more of paying homage often.

But i also wouldnt do it anymore. If there is a chance of hurting someone, better not to. Especially someone in his position (or a teacher as he was back then).

Ibstill dont understand the outrage over cherry. Over the years he became irrelevant and terrible at his job. Chances are whatever they replCe him and his segment with will be an improvement.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:20 PM ET
It's all called cultural appropriation these days. Same as dressing up as an Indian for Halloween. I honestly don't care that he did something 20 years ago that would be offensive today. I thought Robert Downey Jr was hilarious in tropic thunder. If you watch Jamie fox on Joe Rogan he said that neither nor any of his black friends found it offensive(tropic thunder). I just think Justin Trudeau is a hypocrite.
- HealthyScratch6


"These days".. thats important.

Out of curiousity, where is the hypocrisy? Has he criticized others for blackface?
HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:21 PM ET
Sigh... and that's (part of) the problem. It's about immigrants. That's just it. It's not about poppies.

Respectfully, you've got your opinion, I have mine, never the two shall meet. But this my friend of the internet...our dialogue... is how to convey opinions.

- rmull905

Are we not aloud to talk about immigrants because they're immigrants? He did single them out unfairly but the reality is he was singling them out and telling them to buy poppies. In the quote you posted where you said he double down he said "I meant what I said. Everybody in Canada should wear poppies."

He then later came out and said I wish I worded it better and said everybody from the start and said he was willing to apologize if he hurt anyone.

It's all overblown. He was telling people to buy poppies and support the troops. Plain and simple.
Cptmjl
New York Islanders
Joined: 11.05.2011

Nov 12 @ 9:21 PM ET
Its actually very different. There is historical significance in blackface. Not in brown, yellow, or blueface. None of them seem to be allowed anymore.
- prock

I honestly think the world has become a hypersensitive powder keg. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax but the one thing I can’t stand is the hypocrisy. Trudeau has attacked and pointed his finger at so many others with cries of racism. That term is used with such ease these days and people like Trudeau promote that hysteria. The blatant hypocrisy that makes it ok for him to do it along with clowns like Ralph Northam is what the real problem is.
itwasin
Location: It Was In - June 5 2004, AB
Joined: 09.28.2013

Nov 12 @ 9:25 PM ET
He clarified on NewsTalk radio post-firing. Explained he meant exactly what many of us thought - he was talking about everyone ignoring the poppy. The rant started re: Torontonians (accurate) and kind of got weird-ish.

Did his eloquence leave much to be desired? Very much so.

His mishandled core point was solid, though.

Basically, he left himself open to the progressive mob the second he said "you" before "people". Did he mean it THAT way? Clearly not. But, in this day and age, those two words - totally innocuous apart - can create a firestorm, regardless of intent.

We live in a world with zero nuance. Which, is a bit ironic, considering Cherry's lack-there-of as well over the decades.

So, in the end, an 85 year old Hockey Commentator was disgraced, fired and un-person'd due to a really poorly handled thought verbalized. And Toronto and the progressive left will continue on chipping away at things they see as verboten. And the traditional right will continue to harden their stance.

And the rest of us are just sitting here wondering, in all of this, if anyone - from any side - really gives a good damn about the veterans.

Sadly, I think we know the answer.

-ozbolts


Just want to thank you for the single, best comment I have read on Canada's situation in a long time. I've read hundreds/thousands of comments on national media over the past few months and yours is stellar. Well done.
I never dreamed I'd be saying this about a comment on HockeyBuzz so thanks to Eklund for making an exception to his no politics policy. Who knew.
Cheers to Nova Scotia from Calgary (even if you are a bolts fan...... )
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:39 PM ET
I honestly think the world has become a hypersensitive powder keg. Everyone needs to take a deep breath and relax but the one thing I can’t stand is the hypocrisy. Trudeau has attacked and pointed his finger at so many others with cries of racism. That term is used with such ease these days and people like Trudeau promote that hysteria. The blatant hypocrisy that makes it ok for him to do it along with clowns like Ralph Northam is what the real problem is.
- Cptmjl



But do you really believe justin trudeau is racist because he painted his face 20 years ago?

Also, doing something 20 years ago shouldnt mean you cant criticise others for continuing to do it.

I dont really care about trudeau either way. I dont think hes a great PM but i also dont think there were better options. He doesnt embarass us, he represents us well, but i cant think of one single thing hes accomplished. That seems to be a trend. The best people arent elected anymore. Just the least terrible of a whole lot of terrible options. There have been good leaders over the years. Chretien and martin were a great team. Reagan, bush sr, and obama were great. Howndo we end up with donald trump, or have to choose between scheer and trudeau? Or here in ontario..... doug ford? Ugh embarassing.
shack67
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: NS
Joined: 07.05.2015

Nov 12 @ 9:43 PM ET
Just want to thank you for the single, best comment I have read on Canada's situation in a long time. I've read hundreds/thousands of comments on national media over the past few months and yours is stellar. Well done.
I never dreamed I'd be saying this about a comment on HockeyBuzz so thanks to Eklund for making an exception to his no politics policy. Who knew.
Cheers to Nova Scotia from Calgary (even if you are a bolts fan...... )

- itwasin

Bullcrap. Cherry is trying to backtrack by pretending that he meant everyone. He clearly meant immigrants.
HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:43 PM ET
But do you really believe justin trudeau is racist because he painted his face 20 years ago?

Also, doing something 20 years ago shouldnt mean you cant criticise others for continuing to do it.

I dont really care about trudeau either way. I dont think hes a great PM but i also dont think there were better options. That seems to be a trend. The best people arent elected anymore. Just the least terrible of a whole lot of terrible options. There have been good leaders over the years. Chretien and martin were a great team. Reagan, bush sr, and obama were great. Howndo we end up with donald trump, or have to choose between scheer and trudeau? Or here in ontario..... doug ford? Ugh embarassing.

- prock

The thing is you shouldn't vote for the person. All any of them are going to do is take the parties position on every situation. You need to vote based on the party you think has the best plan and policies. The two party system is polar opposites which sucks because you might feel one way about one topic and a different way about another but you have to pick a side right off the bat. You can never have best of both worlds.
wrister
Joined: 12.28.2011

Nov 12 @ 9:44 PM ET
Well spoken Ek.
Thank you
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 12 @ 9:46 PM ET
The thing is you shouldn't vote for the person. All any of them are going to do is take the parties position on every situation. You need to vote based on the party you think has the best plan and policies. The two party system is polar opposites which sucks because you might feel one way about one topic and a different way about another but you have to pick a side off the bat. You can never have best of both worlds.
- HealthyScratch6


Sure. When ivsay trudeau, i mean him and the party not just him. Its a package.
HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:46 PM ET
Bullcrap. Cherry is trying to backtrack by pretending that he meant everyone. He clearly meant immigrants.
- shack67

Even so he said immigrants should buy poppies and support the troops. Big (frank)ing deal.
HealthyScratch6
Toronto Maple Leafs
Joined: 09.13.2014

Nov 12 @ 9:47 PM ET
Sure. When ivsay trudeau, i mean him and the party not just him. Its a package.
- prock

Okay well I disagree with you on which package was the lesser of two evils
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