Team is certainly a head shaker at this point. Hard to watch by times. Babs said in the post presser that the 20 game measuring stick is nearing. So what will all of that mean? Trades?

Fire Lou, they’ll be better.
- Steven_Seagull

they did that already... they aren't better.

okay - I understand your need to maintain an erection for Nylander... not something I personally find necessary - but too each his own.

I wasn't calling out Nylander for that... he had an off year for WHATEVER reason last year... is that on the coach?

Barrie's production has cratered. Yes he isn't getting PP time... but the guy has what 1 point in the last 15 games or something... that can't be on the coach.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Unless he forgot how he used to play hockey than yes.

they did that already... they aren't better.
- BorjeFan4Ever

So what’s the one constant? Not the players. Not the assistant coaches. Not the GM.

Fire Lou, they’ll be better.
- Steven_Seagull

Exactly. Another misstep

Team is certainly a head shaker at this point. Hard to watch by times. Babs said in the post presser that the 20 game measuring stick is nearing. So what will all of that mean? Trades?
- Leafsmart

So what’s the one constant? Not the players. Not the assistant coaches. Not the GM.
- Steven_Seagull

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Ding Ding Ding

Babcocks system is awful.

So what’s the one constant? Not the players. Not the assistant coaches. Not the GM.
- Steven_Seagull

You're think Babineau aren't you?

Yep, (frank) that guy. What a dummy

Yeah.

To me, it sorta feels like with the whole Leafs rebirth TITS era, that they don’t have that “prestige” they used to have. And now they have no story, no battle scars etc. I’ve been openly critical of Shanny, Dubas, and Babs somewhat.

I still don’t know what makes Shanahan so (frank)ing special. But whatever..
- Arctic_AARDVARK

gotta give Shanahan credit for waiting a full season (I think it was a full season) cleaning house, obviously getting full autonomy from ownership and executing on the scorched earth.

but he's been far to invisible since the Nylander holdout in my opinion.

You're think Babineau aren't you?

Yep, (frank) that guy. What a dummy
- walshyleafsfan

Finally someone gets it!

So what’s the one constant? Not the players. Not the assistant coaches. Not the GM.
- Steven_Seagull

the ACC (yes its still the ACC) and Carlton

Fire Babs and this team will improve.
- Steven_Seagull

Oh

Muzzin calling out everyone, or basically Willy. Because it’s implied that it’s Willy..

Said they gotta try harder for 60.. and Willy doesn’t do that. So obviously he hates Willy.

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Ding Ding Ding

Babcocks system is awful.
- Hockey_Reverend

Hasn’t won a playoff round since 2012. I’m sure those years in Detroit and the first 3 years with the Leafs are Dubas’ fault, too.

Rielly is great. So he is overplayed.

Muzzin is an OK 3-4. Nothing more or or less.

Ceci is a poopy diaper.

Dermott is a 6-hole coming off surgery.

Barrie is Gardiner without the flair.

I don’t even remember the other poop we have on the blueline.

Our defence sucks.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hard to blame defence in that second period when Leafs were pounding the shyte out of the Islanders, tied it up on two beauty goals and then Islanders got their first shot on goal in the second period with 5 minutes left. Then Freddy (who has been mostly great all year lets in a 0.25 mph wabbling backhander on the second shot of the period. A defence with Orr, Lidstrom and Robinson would be helpless in that situation. Put your flipping paddle down and cover the five hole. Holy ugly goal after absolute domination.

Muzzin calling out everyone, or basically Willy. Because it’s implied that it’s Willy..

Said they gotta try harder for 60.. and Willy doesn’t do that. So obviously he hates Willy.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

he has made an enemy

Muzzin calling out everyone, or basically Willy. Because it’s implied that it’s Willy..

Said they gotta try harder for 60.. and Willy doesn’t do that. So obviously he hates Willy.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I dont think this is only an issue of ‘trying’. Obviously guys like Willy need to stop the fly-by stick checks. I think its the system they play. Trotz plays the exact opposite system, everyone back playing defence. You cant teach players talent. We have loads of that. You CAN teach simple defensive structure...

he has made an enemy
- daeth

I shall vacate the nest I set up in his beard.

- Arctic_AARDVARK

Well, if this play continues, we might set a record for the most alcohol consumption during one season.

I dont think this is only an issue of ‘trying’. Obviously guys like Willy need to stop the fly-by stick checks. I think its the system they play. Trotz plays the exact opposite system, everyone back playing defence. You cant teach players talent. We have loads of that. You CAN teach simple defensive structure...
- Hockey_Reverend

Islanders went from last to first in a single season with largely the same team. (frank) Babs.

I shall vacate the nest I set up in his beard.
- Steven_Seagull

may you leave them a nice "present" as you leave

edit: him not them

Hard to blame defence in that second period when Leafs were pounding the shyte out of the Islanders, tied it up on two beauty goals and then Islanders got their first shot on goal in the second period with 5 minutes left. Then Freddy (who has been mostly great all year lets in a 0.25 mph wabbling backhander on the second shot of the period. A defence with Orr, Lidstrom and Robinson would be helpless in that situation. Put your flipping paddle down and cover the five hole. Holy ugly goal after absolute domination.
- winsix

But they didn’t. We had lots of puck possession, but not many good shots. Because that is Trotzs system. All 5 Islanders back in front. You just frustrate yourself, tire yourself, then they counter attack or pick off mistakes...

its Baelander or Hairlander or Holdoutlander... get it straight.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Highlander

Muzzin calling out everyone, or basically Willy. Because it’s implied that it’s Willy..

Said they gotta try harder for 60.. and Willy doesn’t do that. So obviously he hates Willy.
- Arctic_AARDVARK

They don't have to try any harder, it's all Babcock's fault. Wonder why Muzzin, as an impending UFA isn't throwing Babcock under the bus, but is calling out the players?

They don't have to try any harder, it's all Babcock's fault. Wonder why Muzzin, as an impending UFA isn't throwing Babcock under the bus, but is calling out the players?
- walshyleafsfan

Because players don’t do that... Look at the poop Zucker got for doing it.