Meh, awesome,
- Ogilthorpe2

Four Seasons? Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels?

Four Seasons? Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels?
- StLBravesFan

Not in my wheelhouse.

Yes I'm am very clear with my statement as well as my own 2 pair of eyes .

Not sure if you bothered to read all the articles written about JC in a negative light or the article which JC clearly came out and said he and his staff on a daily basis come up with new lines to throw together.

JC recently commented in a article they changed up their system .
It was obvious and painful to watch post game show press conferences and the players expressions, lack of emotions, frustrations and comments.

Look at the dumb line combinations JC was throwing together and the daily line changes.

It's one thing for toews to be in a drought it's not like toews is a true scorer, but kane amd cat ?
- Taylorst1

Now I understand why you see the game so clearly.

Meh, awesome,
- Ogilthorpe2

Flip your meh & awesome, & I'll agree with you.

Four Seasons? Mitch Ryder and the Detroit Wheels?
- StLBravesFan

Heating & air conditioning, or Frankie Valli?
I only know a few by the two you listed, meh, imo. "Can't take my eyes off of you" will always make me think of Deer Hunter. Also, 10 Things I hate about you.

Watched the game from last night my god are the hawks dreadful at defense. Turnovers missed assignments out of position and being out muscled for the majority of the game. Hawks got lucky to win that game. Another 30 plus shots again and least 15 high danger shots against. Also hawks are soft as charmin tp my god dach better stop putting himself in bad situations or will be on ir soon. No physicality to their game. I ll stop now.
- Scott1977


You must be referring to #2 allowing his man to camp out untouched right in front of him and the Hawks'net and score the first goal with that tip in. Or perhaps you mean #2 getting burned on that 2 on 2 which allowed vegas to have that breakaway resulting in their second goal. Or the bad decision by #2 to pinch at the Hawks' offensive blue line, resulting in a near goal that I believe clanged off the cross bar.
- Nmbr1

If you focus on one player all of the time, you no doubt will find some kind of defect in that player’s game, it’s bound to happen. This scenario would apply to Bobby Orr, who’s one of the greatest players of all time, if not the greatest. I guess you missed a good game. Did they make mistakes defensively? Yes they did, but it was the most entertaining game of the last couple of years, and I saw 100% effort from the team.

Heating & air conditioning, or Frankie Valli?
I only know a few by the two you listed, meh, imo. "Can't take my eyes off of you" will always make me think of Deer Hunter. Also, 10 Things I hate about you.
- I Am The Breadman

Great movie. The dad was awesome!

If you focus on one player all of the time, you no doubt will find some kind of defect in that player’s game, it’s bound to happen. This scenario would apply to Bobby Orr, who’s one of the greatest players of all time, if not the greatest. I guess you missed a good game. Did they make mistakes defensively? Yes they did, but it was the most entertaining game of the last couple of years, and I saw 100% effort from the team.
- Angotti

Seriously. We've gotten points in 4 straight, and 5 of the last six and we are complaining about how the points are being won. I implore everyone to go back to the beginning of the year and remember your expectations for this team. I believe 99% of us said they would be fighting for a playoff spot all year.

Why, once they started playing, did that change to they need to be dominant defensively? They are dead center in the middle of the league in GA/G, and 21st in GF/G. With THIS team at THIS point in time, why so much angst about how the points come?

Flip your meh & awesome, & I'll agree with you.
- I Am The Breadman

Stones have never resonated with me for whatever reason. They’re (there, their) just meh to me.

Seriously. We've gotten points in 4 straight, and 5 of the last six and we are complaining about how the points are being won. I implore everyone to go back to the beginning of the year and remember your expectations for this team. I believe 99% of us said they would be fighting for a playoff spot all year.

Why, once they started playing, did that change to they need to be dominant defensively? They are dead center in the middle of the league in GA/G, and 21st in GF/G. With THIS team at THIS point in time, why so much angst about how the points come?
- Chunk

Hello. Welcome to the board.

Now I understand why you see the game so clearly.
- mohel

he meant too instead of 2

Seriously. We've gotten points in 4 straight, and 5 of the last six and we are complaining about how the points are being won. I implore everyone to go back to the beginning of the year and remember your expectations for this team. I believe 99% of us said they would be fighting for a playoff spot all year.

Why, once they started playing, did that change to they need to be dominant defensively? They are dead center in the middle of the league in GA/G, and 21st in GF/G. With THIS team at THIS point in time, why so much angst about how the points come?
- Chunk

I’m with you, please read what I was replying to, I’m enjoying the wins. It’s not how, it’s whether they win or lose.

Hello. Welcome to the board.
- Ogilthorpe2

Trust me, I fully realize I'm shouting at the clouds.

I’m with you, please read what I was replying to, I’m enjoying the wins. It’s not how, it’s whether they win or lose.
- Angotti

I saw. This wasn't a rant on you. I was trying to amplify your point if anything. I switched to scotch too early tonight and got a bit zealous.

Is it sustainable for the NYI, CGY, EDM? They all have a sub 50% Corsi. I know that it is desirable for less shots to be fired at our goalies, but outside of two whippings when they we still struggling with the system, they have been getting just almost as many good chances against as the opposition.

There are many different ways to win in hockey. NYI have a worse Corsi than we do and they're 9-0-1 in their last 10 and are considered a good defensive team. We have a better GA/G than MTL, NSH, FLA (who some people are enamored with). It is not perfect, but we can play winning hockey this way as long as they keep the mistakes to a minimum and away from the blue lines.

Both the Caps and Pens won cups with sub-50% Corsi ad HDGF%. Like virtually every other champ, they got outstanding goaltending and scored a lot of goals.
- Chunk

I personally don't like comparing teams to one another, I don't find it helpful at all for numerous reasons. Edm kind of only became relevant in a short span of time, Cal fluctuates, Nyi seems to be on a good trend, same as last year. None of that is comparable to the hawks.

I just wanted to ask about goaltending, don't mistake my question for pessimism. I praise JC and I critique him, I acknowledge when the pk is getting better and it is, never gave up on the vets and I like the youth movement we are experiencing. I've been happy, overall. I know they are trying to find a system that is good for the team, and everyone needs to learn it/play to their skill set. That's fine, learning curve, I've been saying it all along, and I see a positive trend in the team. But it was more than 2 whippings, maybe a game or two more, so that's not enough to split hairs on. I merely wanted to talk about goaltending because the team a) struggled in second periods of games, b) couldn't close out games, gave up points, settled for loser points/gave a loser point, or c) weren't scoring first. I only ask because all three problems have shown up in our small sample sizes.

Like I said, we are getting points, so I won't complain about that. I just asked about sustainability in net, and finding ways to help out.

To your second post, I'm sure there was a split in if the hawks are a playoff team or not making it at all. The W.C. is a tough division and they could finish anywhere. I don't think anyone said contender. Everyone said they wanted goals against down, and understood that would mean less scoring. The two kind of go hand in hand, from what I have seen in a small sample size.

I saw. This wasn't a rant on you. I was trying to amplify your point if anything. I switched to scotch too early tonight and got a bit zealous.
- Chunk

All good. Go Hawks!

Stones have never resonated with me for whatever reason. They’re (there, their) just meh to me.
- Ogilthorpe2

That's how I am with Dylan. I get it.

Tvetter, that's what makes it enjoyable, the father. Plus, it's a Taming of the shrew adaptation.

I personally don't like comparing teams to one another, I don't find it helpful at all for numerous reasons. Edm kind of only became relevant in a short span of time, Cal fluctuates, Nyi seems to be on a good trend, same as last year. None of that is comparable to the hawks.

I just wanted to ask about goaltending, don't mistake my question for pessimism. I praise JC and I critique him, I acknowledge when the pk is getting better and it is, never gave up on the vets and I like the youth movement we are experiencing. I know they are trying to find a system that is good for the team, and everyone needs to learn it/play to their skill set. That's fine, learning curve, I've been saying it all along, and I see a positive trend in the team. But it was more than 2 whippings, maybe a game or two more, so that's not enough to split hairs on. I merely wanted to talk about goaltending because the team a) struggled in second periods of games, b) couldn't close out games, gave up points, settled for loser points/gave a loser point, or c) weren't scoring first. I only ask because all three problems have shown up in our small sample sizes.

Like I said, we are getting points, so I won't complain about that. I just asked about sustainability in net, and finding ways to help out.

To your second post, I'm sure there was a split in playoff team and not making it at all. The W.C. is a tough division and could finish anywhere. I don't think anyone said contender. Everyone said they wanted goal against down, and understood that would mean less scoring. The two kind of go hand in hand, from what I have seen in a small sample size.
- I Am The Breadman

Hey there Yeasty Beasty (sorry, ran out of bread related nicknames). I wasn't trying to knock on your comment. It's more just my way of pointing out that there is no single way of doing things. Teams have found numerous ways to win cups. I understand what you are saying about goaltending. From my perspective, I don't necessarily have a problem with the higher shot totals depending on where these shots are coming from. If the opponents are taking 70% of their shots from far out/on the boards I'm much less concerned. Overall it is a concern, but the recent change seems to have opened up the offense quite a bit. Thus far, we are down 0.5 GA/G, but our GF/G are also down. I'm interested to see where they stand at the end of the month. I'm happy they are playing the good teams tough. Let's see how it goes against NSH.

Meh, awesome,
- Ogilthorpe2

I'd reverse the meh to Dylan and awesome for the Stones.

But just me, and part of that stems from things I've read on Dylan's shows being uneven from one city to the next...and also cause the Stones are just awesome. I don't know about best R+R band in the world but certainly in the conversation and their catalog from Some Girls and before is truly great.

Only saw two shows at the Amphitheater, both were UFO and sadly after Schenker left the group.

The more I watch him the more he reminds me of Hjalmarsson.
- walleyeb1

Nice comparison, Walleye. Hawks just haven't been able to replace Hammer, not easily done, but De Haan, in a very short time with the Hawks, has come closest so far. ........ In the new era of speed/skill and 180lb puck moving Dman you still gotta have offensive lineman, De Haan's and Hammer's, blocking for the thoroubreds.

Just fun to watch an old school no nonsense man go about his business and yea both Hammer and De Haan are those types.

Hey there Yeasty Beasty (sorry, ran out of bread related nicknames). I wasn't trying to knock on your comment. It's more just my way of pointing out that there is no single way of doing things. Teams have found numerous ways to win cups. I understand what you are saying about goaltending. From my perspective, I don't necessarily have a problem with the higher shot totals depending on where these shots are coming from. If the opponents are taking 70% of their shots from far out/on the boards I'm much less concerned. Overall it is a concern, but the recent change seems to have opened up the offense quite a bit. Thus far, we are down 0.5 GA/G, but our GF/G are also down. I'm interested to see where they stand at the end of the month. I'm happy they are playing the good teams tough. Let's see how it goes against NSH.
- Chunk

Rye Guy, Fickle Pumpernickel, Lotta Ciabatta, Pretzel Schmetzel...ok none of those are really any good but I'm still on my first cup of Joe. Sourdough Joe? Nah.

There play has been better starting with that Pens game. Against the Shark, which has to be in the conversation for one of their worst games in recent memory (somewhat remarkable), they tried to dump and chase for two periods and didn't deviate even though it wasn't working at all.

That seemed to be kind of a watershed game and between carrying it in more and keeping a forward higher in the zone seems too have coincided with some more offense for.

Love that they finally got a win vs the Knights and their better play of late should translate into a better game vs Trashville. Speaking of overrated, hoping they can put a 5 spot on Rinne the way they were able to vs Flower.

Hey there Yeasty Beasty (sorry, ran out of bread related nicknames). I wasn't trying to knock on your comment. It's more just my way of pointing out that there is no single way of doing things. Teams have found numerous ways to win cups. I understand what you are saying about goaltending. From my perspective, I don't necessarily have a problem with the higher shot totals depending on where these shots are coming from. If the opponents are taking 70% of their shots from far out/on the boards I'm much less concerned. Overall it is a concern, but the recent change seems to have opened up the offense quite a bit. Thus far, we are down 0.5 GA/G, but our GF/G are also down. I'm interested to see where they stand at the end of the month. I'm happy they are playing the good teams tough. Let's see how it goes against NSH.
- Chunk

As far as nicknames go, I think it is safe to say that I have heard them all, hahaha!

I don't disagree on numerous ways to win cups, I just err on the side of caution. I'm not sure I've ever seen a cup team outshot by 50 something to 30 something on almost a constant basis. It is my thought that goalies can't keep that level of play up, but I'll gladly eat my words if I see it happen. Both have to be sharp, and maybe ride both when playoffs come? But that is getting a little bit ahead of myself.

I agree where the shots are being taken has to be taken into account. Sage was always the guy to post shots, shot attempts, high danger shots ... and it almost always seemed that we were on the losing end in the comparisons, almost 2:1.

I'm excited to see how they progress. Tough competition against tough teams is always a plus. Trashville is next. Revenge game!

Rye Guy, Fickle Pumpernickel, Lotta Ciabatta, Pretzel Schmetzel...ok none of those are really any good but I'm still on my first cup of Joe. Sourdough Joe? Nah.

There play has been better starting with that Pens game. Against the Shark, which has to be in the conversation for one of their worst games in recent memory (somewhat remarkable), they tried to dump and chase for two periods and didn't deviate even though it wasn't working at all.

That seemed to be kind of a watershed game and between carrying it in more and keeping a forward higher in the zone seems too have coincided with some more offense for.

Love that they finally got a win vs the Knights and their better play of late should translate into a better game vs Trashville. Speaking of overrated, hoping they can put a 5 spot on Rinne the way they were able to vs Flower.
- HawkintheD

Please ... don't quit your day job.

He should be the 13th forward at most. Borderline useless.
- Ogilthorpe2

As the Hawks' endless search for a #2 or #3C went on and on yr after yr I always perked up when Smith's name was mentioned to play 3C. 3-4 yrs ago he was a beauty fit as a 3C, bring some manhood to the bottom 6 and fill a need that usually goes unfilled.

When they traded for Smith this yr I liked it assuming he could play an average 3C. Fill an unfilled critical position and bring some bite/grit/manhood veteran presence to a horrid bottom 6.

Well it seems he can't play the center spot well enough on a regular basis and add he has 2 yrs left on his deal at 3.2 mil. ........... Too early for me to declare trading AA for Smith a bust, same 2 yrs left on his deal but 1.3 mil per more, but not what I had hoped for. At the very least Smith is 1.3 mil per cheaper and will play much heavier than AA. Maybe a my bag of pucks for your bag of pucks deal but the bag I end up with is cheaper.

As the Hawks' endless search for a #2 or #3C went on and on yr after yr I always perked up when Smith's name was mentioned to play 3C. 3-4 yrs ago he was a beauty fit as a 3C, bring some manhood to the bottom 6 and fill a need that usually goes unfilled.

When they traded for Smith this yr I liked it assuming he could play an average 3C. Fill an unfilled critical position and bring some bite/grit/manhood veteran presence to a horrid bottom 6.

Well it seems he can't play the center spot well enough on a regular basis and add he has 2 yrs left on his deal at 3.2 mil. ........... Too early for me to declare trading AA for Smith a bust, same 2 yrs left on his deal but 1.3 mil per more, but not what I had hoped for. At the very least Smith is 1.3 mil per cheaper and will play much heavier than AA. Maybe a my bag of pucks for your bag of pucks deal but the bag I end up with is cheaper.
- Mr Ricochet

That's likely the deal though I thought he looked decent the last few games. Was hoping for the same as you when the trade was made and I didn't have the Sense games on heavy rotation last year to still know if he was any good or not.

Think he's fine on the 4th line or as a 13th fwd and as Mo's mentioned if they buy him out at the end of the year he only counts as a little more than a million against the Cap next year.