Easy there bikeguy. Roslovic literally has 1 goal and point more than Copp. I don't think inking a guy to a 5 million a year contract is good value.
- BWJumper

Hopefully Chevy will meet with Roslovic's agent and feel things out and figure what possibilities there are or what his camp might be open to. Certainly want Jack is re-signed and, to me, the sooner the better.

So now that the NHLPA has filed a grievance on Buff's behalf - does anyone know what's next - like in how long this might take to figure out? Best case scenario is the Jets and Buff reach an agreement - and Buff is either bought or has his contract voided. Doesn't seem that he wants to play in the NHL any time soon.

Moose win another, Harkins continues his streak and Birdman stops 38 of 39 and ups his average to .930

Somehow the organization needs to hold onto him in the future. Apparently he learned English in the locker room and has a mouth like a truck driver, if you know what I mean. No offense to truck drivers.

This kid is my kind of goalie.

Moose win another, Harkins continues his streak and Birdman stops 38 of 39 and ups his average to .930

Somehow the organization needs to hold onto him in the future. Apparently he learned English in the locker room and has a mouth like a truck driver, if you know what I mean. No offense to truck drivers.

This kid is my kind of goalie.
- CharlieDog

If he keeps this up, maybe offer Seattle a 3rd to not draft The Birdman?

If he keeps this up, maybe offer Seattle a 3rd to not draft The Birdman?
- grahamzky

The Jets gave up a high first round pick to protect Enstrom. They ended up moving back in the draft to pick Vesalainen. That first that the Jets gave up ended up being Nik Suzuki. Its comical to think that there was a poster on this site that said Vesalainen was better than Suzuki. I don't think that Seattle's going to want anything less than that.

The Jets gave up a high first round pick to protect Enstrom. They ended up moving back in the draft to pick Vesalainen. That first that the Jets gave up ended up being Nik Suzuki. Its comical to think that there was a poster on this site that said Vesalainen was better than Suzuki. I don't think that Seattle's going to want anything less than that.
- TheUltimateJet

Kristian Vesalainen had the highest projected value of any prospect going into this season not named “Kaapo” or “Jack”

Why would anyone want to sign a 28 year old Adam Lowry? I think by that time if guys like Harkins and Seuss are not getting regular ice time, the GM should be fired. Lowry is like Trouba, overrated!
- TheUltimateJet

A: Why do you hate Lowry? Our 3rd line is utterly destroying fools right now, and all 3 are considered overrated by you.
B: Seuss is the same age as Lowry, with worse AHL numbers than Lowry had at 20. He’s not making the NHL.
C: Harkins is good, but no better than Petan and Dano at 22. If he’s not playing soon, it’s via Maurice.

Kristian Vesalainen had the highest projected value of any prospect going into this season not named “Kaapo” or “Jack”
- Rexypoo

There must be a lot of prospects named Jack or Kaapo.

There must be a lot of prospects named Jack or Kaapo.
- BWJumper

Nah. He was #3. His KHL numbers are comparable to Panarin and other high-high level players.

A: Why do you hate Lowry? Our 3rd line is utterly destroying fools right now, and all 3 are considered overrated by you.
B: Seuss is the same age as Lowry, with worse AHL numbers than Lowry had at 20. He’s not making the NHL.
C: Harkins is good, but no better than Petan and Dano at 22. If he’s not playing soon, it’s via Maurice.
- Rexypoo

A. Lowry is ineffective without quality wingers. See Bourque and Letestu. He did crap with those guys, when he supposedly "tilts the ice". His QoC numbers dictate that he does great at pinning other teams 3rd and 4th lines in their zones. Not so much against other team top two lines. Is that what he is supposed to do?
B. So is Tucker Poolman, so what? He comes in cheaper than Lowry and essentially does what Lowry does at a fraction of the cost.
C. Harkins is going to be great! He's putting up similar numbers to Roslovic.

Nah. He was #3. His KHL numbers are comparable to Panarin and other high-high level players.
- Rexypoo

Which ones?
Nigel Dawes? Brian O'Neal? Matt Ellison? Dan Sexton? Dan Dietz?

Those are all guys in top 10 scoring in the KHL. I bet you that no one knows their names.

Which ones?
Nigel Dawes? Brian O'Neal? Matt Ellison? Dan Sexton? Dan Dietz?

Those are all guys in top 10 scoring in the KHL. I bet you that no one knows their names.
- TheUltimateJet

Specifically, Vesalainen compares to Aho, Teravainen, and Matthews.
Additionally, both Granlunds, Roope Hintz, and Joel goddamn Armia.

[url] https://twitter.com/chartinghockey/status/1154523607525015553?s=21

Enjoy.

Specifically, Vesalainen compares to Aho, Teravainen, and Matthews.
Additionally, both Granlunds, Roope Hintz, and Joel goddamn Armia.


- Rexypoo[url] https://twitter.com/chartinghockey/status/1154523607525015553?s=21

Enjoy.

You can say lots of things about Paul Maurice. One thing is for certain, if he had a guy that was comparable to the names you just mentioned that player would playing in the NHL. Vesalainen is not one of those players.

By the way Joel Armia has more goals than Laine at the quarter mark of the season. Don't know how long it will last, but I will enjoy that for now.

A. Lowry is ineffective without quality wingers. See Bourque and Letestu. He did crap with those guys, when he supposedly "tilts the ice". His QoC numbers dictate that he does great at pinning other teams 3rd and 4th lines in their zones. Not so much against other team top two lines. Is that what he is supposed to do?
B. So is Tucker Poolman, so what? He comes in cheaper than Lowry and essentially does what Lowry does at a fraction of the cost.
C. Harkins is going to be great! He's putting up similar numbers to Roslovic.
- TheUltimateJet

Lowry is not going to have quality scoring wingers. He is a defensive specialist. A big, strong one. Can you not see there is more to hockey than scoring goals?

Tucker Poolman is playing great thus far. Injury is always a concern with Tucker though, history. But what does Tucker have to do with Lowry?

Harkins? He showed little in exhibition games - in limited time. But he strikes me as a
offensive player, not a 3rd or 4th liner. Who's place is he going to take on the first two Jets lines? None. He is expendable. Think he will ever be a top-two liner on any team? Maybe his game has ramped up? Not sure. Some guys put up great numbers in the AHL, not so great in the NHL. Some times due to lack of opportunity.

Nah. He was #3. His KHL numbers are comparable to Panarin and other high-high level players.
- Rexypoo

You can google top NHL affiliated prospects 2019 and see how wrong you are.

Lowry is not going to have quality scoring wingers. He is a defensive specialist. A big, strong one. Can you not see there is more to hockey than scoring goals?

Tucker Poolman is playing great thus far. Injury is always a concern with Tucker though, history. But what does Tucker have to do with Lowry?

Harkins? He showed little in exhibition games - in limited time. But he strikes me as a
offensive player, not a 3rd or 4th liner. Who's place is he going to take on the first two Jets lines? None. He is expendable. Think he will ever be a top-two liner on any team? Maybe his game has ramped up? Not sure. Some guys put up great numbers in the AHL, not so great in the NHL. Some times due to lack of opportunity.
- grahamzky

He constantly gets caved in by other teams top lines. Where is the defensiveness in that?

Speaking of Dano......has he become a goon ?
51 PIM in 14 games with Cleveland Monsters.......along with his whopping 7 assists.
Maybe he is trying to re-invent himself ?

You can google top NHL affiliated prospects 2019 and see how wrong you are.
- BWJumper

I’ll take statistical analysis, heavy research, and actual evidence over 7 random talking heads at ESPN or TSN who look at his KHL point totals, watch the world juniors and say he’s just okay.

A. Lowry is ineffective without quality wingers. See Bourque and Letestu. He did crap with those guys, when he supposedly "tilts the ice". His QoC numbers dictate that he does great at pinning other teams 3rd and 4th lines in their zones. Not so much against other team top two lines. Is that what he is supposed to do?
B. So is Tucker Poolman, so what? He comes in cheaper than Lowry and essentially does what Lowry does at a fraction of the cost.
C. Harkins is going to be great! He's putting up similar numbers to Roslovic.
- TheUltimateJet

A: Every single player stuck with Gabriel Bourque or Letestu post-2014 has struggled to do anything. Lowry struggles with players who are liabilities in all 3 zones, because he’s a human being, and that happens.
Meanwhile, when he’s with 1 good player (Copp) he drags a bad player to goodness (Tanev). Not even Scheifele can support two bad wingers, which is why 81-55-26 got murked on a regular basis. 81 doesn’t defend or drive play, and Wheeler wasn’t trying/is old.
B: Poolman was excellent in the A, better than Seuss in college, and has had strong underlying numbers in the NHL since game 1.
What I’m saying is that Poolman is good, Lowry is great, Seuss is bad, and all 3 have topped out.
C: Harkins is pretty great. Totally threw himself back into the arms race at forward this season.

It took a while longer than I predicted, but another Rexy favourite is pretty much toast - Kovalchuk.
- bennythehat

Wow. A 36 year old, skill reliant forward on a bad team is struggling. I really bombed here when I said he’d be throwing up 50 goals, golly gee.

While I expected him to fare better than this, ala inhaling PP time for like 25-30 goals while being Meh at 5v5, I also didn’t consider the LA suffocation effect as well as aging. Kovy was all shot in his prime. Didn’t really drive play, and drew even on D, but scored his way to excellent results. That shot is gone now.

You saying one of my favourites is toast here because Kovy can’t hang is like me saying one of yours is toast because Selanne isn’t in the NHL.

You can say lots of things about Paul Maurice. One thing is for certain, if he had a guy that was comparable to the names you just mentioned that player would playing in the NHL. Vesalainen is not one of those players.

By the way Joel Armia has more goals than Laine at the quarter mark of the season. Don't know how long it will last, but I will enjoy that for now.
- TheUltimateJet

Literally Maurice has had a reputation his entire career for not giving young players opportunities

Specifically, Vesalainen compares to Aho, Teravainen, and Matthews.
Additionally, both Granlunds, Roope Hintz, and Joel goddamn Armia.


- Rexypoo[url] https://twitter.com/chartinghockey/status/1154523607525015553?s=21

Enjoy.

Same Vesalainen who has 3 goals in 18 AHL games this year? He better find a way to break his 0.45ppg AHL stats if he wants to be in the mix with those big names. Armia looks most accurate at this point in time.

Easy there bikeguy. Roslovic literally has 1 goal and point more than Copp. I don't think inking a guy to a 5 million a year contract is good value.
- BWJumper

Just watch. This kid is a stud, and the Cap is likely going to have a large raise. If they do not bridge Ras, I would expect a cap hit around 5M AAV. Only time will tell.

Literally Maurice has had a reputation his entire career for not giving young players opportunities
- Rexypoo

Connor, Ehlers, Laine, Morrissey..........

Maurice's job is to win. Chevy's job is to give him the pieces to work with. If Chevy gives him vets, he has to play the vets.

Wow. A 36 year old, skill reliant forward on a bad team is struggling. I really bombed here when I said he’d be throwing up 50 goals, golly gee.

While I expected him to fare better than this, ala inhaling PP time for like 25-30 goals while being Meh at 5v5, I also didn’t consider the LA suffocation effect as well as aging. Kovy was all shot in his prime. Didn’t really drive play, and drew even on D, but scored his way to excellent results. That shot is gone now.

You saying one of my favourites is toast here because Kovy can’t hang is like me saying one of yours is toast because Selanne isn’t in the NHL.
- Rexypoo

This conversation began with me stating that the KHL is not the #2 pro league. It then moved over to Kovie, who had been "dominating" the KHL, and my point was that Kovie would not do much in the NHL, when he came back. You chose to disagree and now since I was proven right, you have all kinds of excuses.

Same Vesalainen who has 3 goals in 18 AHL games this year? He better find a way to break his 0.45ppg AHL stats if he wants to be in the mix with those big names. Armia looks most accurate at this point in time.
- bikeguy99

Small sample size is small