"You people that come here … whatever it is, you love our way of life, you love our milk and honey, at least you could pay a couple of bucks for a poppy”

I see this all over my FB page from relatives who are upset about the situation. People want it to be that, but where the did You People come here from? Where were they?

It was directed at immigrants.

If you forgive that because you like Don Cherry, that's fine - it's your prerogative. We've certainly all heard far worse.

Just don't pretend it was something that it wasn't.
- Monkeypunk

^^ good post

This about perfectly just sums up everything that's wrong with the world today...

Who are you to tell anyone else, immigrant or not, what they should or shouldn't be doing? Jus mind your own (frank)ing business, and waalaa. There is no problem.

You'd be blown away how many different things this can be applied to...
- joel878

What? Not caring.
Pretty sure everybody hear knows how many different things that could be applied to.

Just wait till sat night. This place will be a disaster if leafs lose b2b.
- bryant

So
Much
Fun

So
Much
Fun
- Fakepartofme

And people say Leafs games are boring.

Freedom of speech. It's called exchanging ideas. If a person was to force someone to wear a poppy against their will then that's a different story. But in a free society a person can present an idea and that idea can be debated, rejected, embraced, etc.

It sounds like you get mad when people disagree with the way you think things should be. That fine, but that can never be legislated unless you like Venezuela.
- aminnes

Don't confuse freedom of speech with freedom from consequences.

He can say whatever he likes. In fact now that he is not tied to any corporation or any affiliation that I know of, the consequences of those actions will be less fiduciary and more social.

While you represent or are affiliated publicly with a major corporation, your actions (or statements) can't diverge too far from a standard Code of Conduct or you're going to find yourself in the position where you are not free from consequences.

Freedom of speech. It's called exchanging ideas. If a person was to force someone to wear a poppy against their will then that's a different story. But in a free society a person can present an idea and that idea can be debated, rejected, embraced, etc.

It sounds like you get mad when people disagree with the way you think things should be. That fine, but that can never be legislated unless you like Venezuela.
- aminnes

Did you just tell me to go back to Venezuala?!?!?!?

I am white, and while I used to live in Toronto for years and later Mississauga, now I live in a smaller "village".

It's not my job to fight anyone's battles for them, nor am I. I'm merely noting that if we want to diverse and inclusive, the way to do it is to stop being divisive in our nature.

To your point, though, I would suggest that you look at Twitter, and read many of the immigrant pundits takes on the issue (Sportsnet, The Athletic, etc.). They don't need me fighting for them, they are doing a much better job of articulating the issue than I ever could.
- Monkeypunk

As far as Twitter and MSM, the vasty majority of those 'immigrants' are not immigrants. They were born here. They just don't identify as Canadians. Their parents and grandparents were immigrants. The fact that they are so offended is likely because they don't care about the poppy, just like they don't identify with the country they were born and raised in. Personally, even if they weren't born here, they came here for a reason. They should wear a poppy either way out of respect. And being offended that a man with a vast knowledge of what those soldiers went through for their freedom is asking them to do so should be the least of their concern. If I moved to India or China or something, and they asked me to wear a pin out of respect for someone giving their lives for me to be living there, I would put it on, smile, show respect and STFU about my Canadian identity.

Fack these MnM's

Don't confuse freedom of speech with freedom from consequences.

He can say whatever he likes. In fact now that he is not tied to any corporation or any affiliation that I know of, the consequences of those actions will be less fiduciary and more social.

While you represent or are affiliated publicly with a major corporation, your actions (or statements) can't diverge too far from a standard Code of Conduct or you're going to find yourself in the position where you are not free from consequences.
- Monkeypunk

Sure. I agree. It's pathetic and we are a country of absolute pussies. But they do have the right.

Don't confuse freedom of speech with freedom from consequences.

He can say whatever he likes. In fact now that he is not tied to any corporation or any affiliation that I know of, the consequences of those actions will be less fiduciary and more social.

While you represent or are affiliated publicly with a major corporation, your actions (or statements) can't diverge too far from a standard Code of Conduct or you're going to find yourself in the position where you are not free from consequences.
- Monkeypunk

We should ask all the men and women of the armed forces their opinions instead of all the socialists.

Just wait till sat night. This place will be a disaster if leafs lose b2b.
- bryant

That's why it's easier to talk about anything else!

If they can bring the energy that they brought against the Islanders for MOST of that game without the defensive breakdowns, it will be a good game.

I think we just want to see some form of consistency from game to game - a system and a pattern and a work ethic.

Did you just tell me to go back to Venezuala?!?!?!?
- Atomic Wedgie

Nice place to visit..but....

Don't confuse freedom of speech with freedom from consequences.

He can say whatever he likes. In fact now that he is not tied to any corporation or any affiliation that I know of, the consequences of those actions will be less fiduciary and more social.

While you represent or are affiliated publicly with a major corporation, your actions (or statements) can't diverge too far from a standard Code of Conduct or you're going to find yourself in the position where you are not free from consequences.
- Monkeypunk

The whole situation is odd.

Cherry was popular because he was outlandish.

You loved him, or you loved to hate him.

It just seems odd to me that this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I would have thought that we lived in a society where someone can voice an opinion that more immigrants should wear poppies.

If the whole point of fighting WWI and WWII was to preserve our freedoms, shouldn't Cherry have the freedom to say things I don't neccessarily agree with?

We should ask all the men and women of the armed forces their opinions instead of all the socialists.
- bobbyisno1

The armed forces did offer their input. They said that they have valued the vast amount of support that they have received from Cherry over the years, however they could not agree with his divisive statements.

If you want to ask all of the men and women, it's going to take a bit of time!

As far as Twitter and MSM, the vasty majority of those 'immigrants' are not immigrants. They were born here. They just don't identify as Canadians. Their parents and grandparents were immigrants. The fact that they are so offended is likely because they don't care about the poppy, just like they don't identify with the country they were born and raised in. Personally, even if they weren't born here, they came here for a reason. They should wear a poppy either way out of respect. And being offended that a man with a vast knowledge of what those soldiers went through for their freedom is asking them to do so should be the least of their concern. If I moved to India or China or something, and they asked me to wear a pin out of respect for someone giving their lives for me to be living there, I would put it on, smile, show respect and STFU about my Canadian identity.
- aminnes

you are still missing the point. Almost EVERYONE agrees with Don Cherry saying that if you live in Canada you should respect the poppy and those that fought for your freedoms. EVERYONE agrees with this. BUT he didn't come out and say "All you Canadians". He was specifically centering out immigrants. I can guarantee you there are as many "white" looking Canadians that also don't respect the poppy and those that fought for it. Quit changing his damn message to suit your perspective.

The armed forces did offer their input. They said that they have valued the vast amount of support that they have received from Cherry over the years, however they could not agree with his divisive statements.

If you want to ask all of the men and women, it's going to take a bit of time!
- Monkeypunk

I ask the ones that come into my bar and they have different opinion than that of the politically correct written script, by some PR guy, you heard from the armed forces.

you are still missing the point. Almost EVERYONE agrees with Don Cherry saying that if you live in Canada you should respect the poppy and those that fought for your freedoms. EVERYONE agrees with this. BUT he didn't come out and say "All you Canadians". He was specifically centering out immigrants. I can guarantee you there are as many "white" looking Canadians that also don't respect the poppy and those that fought for it. Quit changing his damn message to suit your perspective.
- rSole

His message was to people who don't buy the poppy, stop trying to change the narrative.

As far as Twitter and MSM, the vasty majority of those 'immigrants' are not immigrants. They were born here. They just don't identify as Canadians. Their parents and grandparents were immigrants. The fact that they are so offended is likely because they don't care about the poppy, just like they don't identify with the country they were born and raised in. Personally, even if they weren't born here, they came here for a reason. They should wear a poppy either way out of respect. And being offended that a man with a vast knowledge of what those soldiers went through for their freedom is asking them to do so should be the least of their concern. If I moved to India or China or something, and they asked me to wear a pin out of respect for someone giving their lives for me to be living there, I would put it on, smile, show respect and STFU about my Canadian identity.
- aminnes

So this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but here goes.

There are no living Canadian WWI vets.

Very few WWII vets.

So the whole "defending our freedom" line is not really relevant anymore.

We joined the war in Afghanistan because 19 Saudi Arabians, backed by Saudi money, committed terrorist attacks on the US.

Our military actions are due to military and economic ties with the US.

My freedom was never in jeopardy.

Freedom of speech. It's called exchanging ideas. If a person was to force someone to wear a poppy against their will then that's a different story. But in a free society a person can present an idea and that idea can be debated, rejected, embraced, etc.

It sounds like you get mad when people disagree with the way you think things should be. That fine, but that can never be legislated unless you like Venezuela.
- aminnes

You seem confused. Not only an I not mad, but telling someone else what they should and shouldn't be doing is not 'presenting an idea'. You'd benefit from learning the difference.

Again, just mind your own business and there's no problem to discuss. That logic can be applied to countless scenarios. You're right, it is a free country, and people are free from being subjected to people like you telling them how they 'should' be living it.

you are still missing the point. Almost EVERYONE agrees with Don Cherry saying that if you live in Canada you should respect the poppy and those that fought for your freedoms. EVERYONE agrees with this. BUT he didn't come out and say "All you Canadians". He was specifically centering out immigrants. I can guarantee you there are as many "white" looking Canadians that also don't respect the poppy and those that fought for it. Quit changing his damn message to suit your perspective.
- rSole

That's literally what I'm saying. I know he did. And he had every right to do so. He also got fired. Which Sportsbet has a right to do as well, albeit with a hefty payout rather than going to court.

As far as the disrespect, it's found more in the major cities. And both white and otherwise hardly anyone cares about the poppy.

His message was to people who don't buy the poppy, stop trying to change the narrative.
- bobbyisno1

If only it was...

You seem confused. Not only an I not mad, but telling someone else what they should and shouldn't be doing is not 'presenting an idea'. You'd benefit from learning the difference.

Again, just mind your own business and there's no problem to discuss. That logic can be applied to countless scenarios. You're right, it is a free country, and people are free from being subjected to people like you telling them how they 'should' be living it.
- joel878

Correct. Just as we are subjected to people like you who tell them what to say.



Fun isn't it?

The whole situation is odd.

Cherry was popular because he was outlandish.

You loved him, or you loved to hate him.

It just seems odd to me that this was the straw that broke the camel's back.

I would have thought that we lived in a society where someone can voice an opinion that more immigrants should wear poppies.

If the whole point of fighting WWI and WWII was to preserve our freedoms, shouldn't Cherry have the freedom to say things I don't neccessarily agree with?
- Atomic Wedgie

The situation is certainly somewhat overblown. Sure, you can have an opinion. The problem with Don Cherry's opinion is that it ignorantly separated one group - unjustly - from the masses. Why just the immigrants? There are hundreds of thousands of white people who weren't wearing poppies as well.

It basically comes out and implies that it's okay to not wear a poppy if you're from here, but if you've come from somewhere else you'd damned well better wear one and tow the line.

Since it's so loosely implied, and it could be subjective - there was an opportunity for the outlandish Don Cherry to go out and do his Don thing - "I haven't got much time, but last week I said something that made a lot of you mad. I didn't mean anybody specific I just meant everyone should wear a Poppy and love our Veterans! Let's Go!" And that type of weak-assed apology would have probably skated by.

So this is going to be an unpopular opinion, but here goes.

There are no living Canadian WWI vets.

Very few WWII vets.

So the whole "defending our freedom" line is not really relevant anymore.

We joined the war in Afghanistan because 19 Saudi Arabians, backed by Saudi money, committed terrorist attacks on the US.

Our military actions are due to military and economic ties with the US.

My freedom was never in jeopardy.
- Atomic Wedgie

The poppy is to honour WW1.

That's literally what I'm saying. I know he did. And he had every right to do so. He also got fired. Which Sportsbet has a right to do as well, albeit with a hefty payout rather than going to court.

As far as the disrespect, it's found more in the major cities. And both white and otherwise hardly anyone cares about the poppy.
- aminnes

ok, fair enough