I appreciate your point of view. I dislike a lot of the roster that he's assembled. Not all, but a lot. I don't like his philosophy on roster construction. I really dislike his tactics at negotiating with RFAs. I very much like his drafting philosophy though.

I hope we both end up happy seeing a Leafs Stanley Cup parade in the very near future.
- walshyleafsfan

I can respect that. There are things I dislike about the roster, I've long been of the variety that believes this team is to soft. Lack of pushback will always handicap them. But I believe on paper this is a 2nd round team that should flirt with the 3rd round, and that's a great spot to be in.

I gave up on Babcock down the stretch last year. What you see is what you get with him, and the league has evolved to the point everyone is dependent on adaptation. He's proud of his dig deep bare down roll 4 lines mantra, it's broken. Every coach in the league knows they can look at the first 5 minutes over period one and it's essentially a script for the entire team.

I look at our PP and watch many others around the league. This dead pan lack of movement pass pass shoot from the point hack at rebounds if you can get them plan, its miles behind the rest of the league. How long does it have to be broken before he will force a change? It's reflective of everything about Babcock as a coach. He knows more than you, it will work eventually.

He just misspelled ffs. Guys got the nicest avi ever
- 21peter

He said Eichel > Matthews. (frank) him, and his avatar... Maybe just his avatar.

No word of a lie, i (frank)ing love the rain. Absolutely love it. Don't do well with extreme cold though, so you should've gone with snow. Yucky.

Also, you're being very mean, Gull.
- walshyleafsfan

That’s weird. You’re weird.


Can you blame me? People on here still mocking Baelander. He’s on pace for over 30 goals, and his cap hit isn’t even 7m. Sad. Real sad, walshy.

Tippett is doing a great job with oilers so far. Coaching can make a huge difference.

Babs is done in Toronto. He’ll go on to make another team great but this team has given up on him.

That’s weird. You’re weird.


Can you blame me? People on here still mocking Baelander. He’s on pace for over 30 goals, and his cap hit isn’t even 7m. Sad. Real sad, walshy.
- Steven_Seagull

Love that commercial.

Pants one is stoopid though.

Tippett is doing a great job with oilers so far. Coaching can make a huge difference.

Babs is done in Toronto. He’ll go on to make another team great but this team has given up on him.
- bryant

He may be.

Give him another 10 games. poop happens and it sucks and it’ll suck even more if it happens for another 10 games. Maybe enough to fire him.

Draisaitl with 5 assists.


McDavid+Draisaitl > Lemieux+Jagr
- Steven_Seagull

Can we please trade am, mm and willie for mcjesus and draisaitl?

Lol
No one was saying this when kadri turned into a great shut down center. In fact most were saying it was because of babs.
Now, babs is to blame for this soft inconsistent low effort team.
I agree babs is stubborn and is foolish not for trying new things.
But these players are soft
- Fakepartofme

I’m pretty partial when it comes to babs.

The narrative he doesn’t try new things is old. He’s bumped up Matthews and JTs mins, he’s given them both more offensive zone starts, he’s playing Justin Holl, he’s trying a completely new system. I like all of that.

But his team is trying too many point shots, he’s been stubborn on back to backs(not totally convinced this is on him and instead a sports science team telling him to) and has deployed Barrie pretty horribly. I don’t like all of that.

People blaming him entirely are wrong and people blaming the team entirely are wrong.

Give him and the team till Christmas. Then cry and whine all you want(not directed at you)

Not good. Too Soft. No buy in.

I see the tide has turned on Dubas, but I really can’t see him in trouble.

Not until EgoCock gets canned and Sheldon Queef gets a chance.

I don’t think they should hire Keefe just because he has a Spark in the AHL and is a friend of Dubas. Frustrating

Is it possible that the Leafs are so top heavy salary wise that they lack the depth to compete against teams that have a GM who knows how to negotiate salaries in a salary cap world. Myself and a few buds have been questioning the decision making of Kyle Dubas for some time. The team that could already score goals in bunches goes out and pays a free agent 11M to score some more. Hm. The fallout causes you to to trade your grittiest forward on a very team friendly contract for a Dman who will be gone at seasons end. Hm. Granted none of us are part of Leafs nation but we do know hockey and economics. How does this get planted on Babcock's doorstep? Has Toronto out hit a team in any game this season? When you have four players eating up fifty per cent of your cap, if any of them gets injured..... I think you get where I'm going with this. You can't trade Tavares and Nylander won't bring in a decent return. So it's Mathews or Marner. Get on with it Kyle.

He said Eichel > Matthews. (frank) him, and his avatar... Maybe just his avatar.
- Steven_Seagull

Not sure if it is really good, but Matthews has closed his court case by paying big $$$ to the Veteran that he Harassed. So that's a win............

During his tenure as a Leafs GM, Dubas has managed to:


- taken 0 risk in any trades, and basically be very good at doing the minimal.
- weaken the backup goalie position.
- weaken the defense.
- give up 2 1st round picks and three very serviceable players in exchange for a capdump and players that bring assets that the leafs team already had.
- signed his three top young forwards for just under 30million; which is a 3-4 million overpayment total (Matthews getting the most player friendly deal in the league).
- signed the top UFA ever to be on the market over the last 10 years (but, pyjamas)
- brought in a good 3rd line winger from Russia (but that was actually 70% Babcock).
- create an atmosphere around the team where players focus more on their individual ('advanced') stats instead of team stats (points / standings).
- not provide his experienced head coach with the right tools and support to make a difference in the playoffs.

Any other organization would have fired a GM with such a trackrecord.
Since he seems to do well with the young fans however, he's somehow seen as a prodigy that will change hockey ('underlying stats are saying the team is doing great!').

During his tenure as a Leafs GM, Dubas has managed to:


- taken 0 risk in any trades, and basically be very good at doing the minimal.
- weaken the backup goalie position.
- weaken the defense.
- give up 2 1st round picks and three very serviceable players in exchange for a capdump and players that bring assets that the leafs team already had.
- signed his three top young forwards for just under 30million; which is a 3-4 million overpayment total (Matthews getting the most player friendly deal in the league).
- signed the top UFA ever to be on the market over the last 10 years (but, pyjamas)
- brought in a good 3rd line winger from Russia (but that was actually 70% Babcock).
- create an atmosphere around the team where players focus more on their individual ('advanced') stats instead of team stats (points / standings).
- not provide his experienced head coach with the right tools and support to make a difference in the playoffs.

Any other organization would have fired a GM with such a trackrecord.
Since he seems to do well with the young fans however, he's somehow seen as a prodigy that will change hockey ('underlying stats are saying the team is doing great!').
- MaximusAurelius

sigh...

During his tenure as a Leafs GM, Dubas has managed to:


- taken 0 risk in any trades, and basically be very good at doing the minimal.
- weaken the backup goalie position.
- weaken the defense.
- give up 2 1st round picks and three very serviceable players in exchange for a capdump and players that bring assets that the leafs team already had.
- signed his three top young forwards for just under 30million; which is a 3-4 million overpayment total (Matthews getting the most player friendly deal in the league).
- signed the top UFA ever to be on the market over the last 10 years (but, pyjamas)
- brought in a good 3rd line winger from Russia (but that was actually 70% Babcock).
- create an atmosphere around the team where players focus more on their individual ('advanced') stats instead of team stats (points / standings).
- not provide his experienced head coach with the right tools and support to make a difference in the playoffs.

Any other organization would have fired a GM with such a trackrecord.
Since he seems to do well with the young fans however, he's somehow seen as a prodigy that will change hockey ('underlying stats are saying the team is doing great!').
- MaximusAurelius

The fancy stats are BS.
Garbage time score effect BS.

During his tenure as a Leafs GM, Dubas has managed to:


- taken 0 risk in any trades, and basically be very good at doing the minimal.
- weaken the backup goalie position.
- weaken the defense.
- give up 2 1st round picks and three very serviceable players in exchange for a capdump and players that bring assets that the leafs team already had.
- signed his three top young forwards for just under 30million; which is a 3-4 million overpayment total (Matthews getting the most player friendly deal in the league).
- signed the top UFA ever to be on the market over the last 10 years (but, pyjamas)
- brought in a good 3rd line winger from Russia (but that was actually 70% Babcock).
- create an atmosphere around the team where players focus more on their individual ('advanced') stats instead of team stats (points / standings).
- not provide his experienced head coach with the right tools and support to make a difference in the playoffs.

Any other organization would have fired a GM with such a trackrecord.
Since he seems to do well with the young fans however, he's somehow seen as a prodigy that will change hockey ('underlying stats are saying the team is doing great!').
- MaximusAurelius

The only thing more predictable than this rambling mess is the avatar change.

People still debating Matthews vs McDavid?

I’m pretty partial when it comes to babs.

The narrative he doesn’t try new things is old. He’s bumped up Matthews and JTs mins, he’s given them both more offensive zone starts, he’s playing Justin Holl, he’s trying a completely new system. I like all of that.

But his team is trying too many point shots, he’s been stubborn on back to backs(not totally convinced this is on him and instead a sports science team telling him to) and has deployed Barrie pretty horribly. I don’t like all of that.

People blaming him entirely are wrong and people blaming the team entirely are wrong.

Give him and the team till Christmas. Then cry and whine all you want(not directed at you)
- Santo_44

Just because he did change ( examples given such as Matthews mins) doesn't mean he's still not a dinasour. It took him like 1.5 years to get there, and to do things like stop dressing Martin when it was painfully obvious he was worthless.


And he's still doing tons of dumb poop like dressing your weakest goalie against the toughest comps with your team on the 2nd of b2b.


Holl has been great this year, why couldn't he get into the lineup 1 yr ago? Babs playing trash cans oz and marincin continually while they keep sucking time after time.


Babcock wants this team to play boring low event hockey, and then everyone wonders why they can't score.

DGB has a piece on the athletic on the pros and cons of replacing Cherry with Burkie, and this one is gold:

Pro: Is an American citizen, and let’s be honest it would be kind of funny to see Don Cherry replaced by a foreigner who came over here and took his job.

During his tenure as a Leafs GM, Dubas has managed to:


- taken 0 risk in any trades, and basically be very good at doing the minimal.
- weaken the backup goalie position.
- weaken the defense.
- give up 2 1st round picks and three very serviceable players in exchange for a capdump and players that bring assets that the leafs team already had.
- signed his three top young forwards for just under 30million; which is a 3-4 million overpayment total (Matthews getting the most player friendly deal in the league).
- signed the top UFA ever to be on the market over the last 10 years (but, pyjamas)
- brought in a good 3rd line winger from Russia (but that was actually 70% Babcock).
- create an atmosphere around the team where players focus more on their individual ('advanced') stats instead of team stats (points / standings).
- not provide his experienced head coach with the right tools and support to make a difference in the playoffs.

Any other organization would have fired a GM with such a trackrecord.
Since he seems to do well with the young fans however, he's somehow seen as a prodigy that will change hockey ('underlying stats are saying the team is doing great!').
- MaximusAurelius

The only thing more predictable than this rambling mess is the avatar change.
- lumlums

DGB has a piece on the athletic on the pros and cons of replacing Cherry with Burkie, and this one is gold:

Pro: Is an American citizen, and let’s be honest it would be kind of funny to see Don Cherry replaced by a foreigner who came over here and took his job.


- lumlums

Except that makes no sense.
Cherry was never worried about that, was never racist like that and supported Americans.
So,.sounds like some fool is reaching.

67-0 Bruins

The only thing more predictable than this rambling mess is the avatar change.
- lumlums

I never even liked Cherry.
But I'll support anyone that is wanting to make a good point but gets attacked because of virtue signalling reasons.

I never even liked Cherry.
But I'll support anyone that is wanting to make a good point but gets attacked because of virtue signalling reasons.
- MaximusAurelius

What he said was incredibly offensive and anti-Canadian and it wasn't the first time either.

I don't know what else there is to it.