During his tenure as a Leafs GM, Dubas has managed to:


- taken 0 risk in any trades, and basically be very good at doing the minimal.
- weaken the backup goalie position.
- weaken the defense.
- give up 2 1st round picks and three very serviceable players in exchange for a capdump and players that bring assets that the leafs team already had.
- signed his three top young forwards for just under 30million; which is a 3-4 million overpayment total (Matthews getting the most player friendly deal in the league).
- signed the top UFA ever to be on the market over the last 10 years (but, pyjamas)
- brought in a good 3rd line winger from Russia (but that was actually 70% Babcock).
- create an atmosphere around the team where players focus more on their individual ('advanced') stats instead of team stats (points / standings).
- not provide his experienced head coach with the right tools and support to make a difference in the playoffs.

Any other organization would have fired a GM with such a trackrecord.
Since he seems to do well with the young fans however, he's somehow seen as a prodigy that will change hockey ('underlying stats are saying the team is doing great!').
- MaximusAurelius

Right off the bat, "taken risks with trades". Id say the barrie trade had its risks. Also, he took a "risk" and it failed.....it would be another point on your list. He cant win.
And no on the team brings what muzzin brings

I’m pretty partial when it comes to babs.

The narrative he doesn’t try new things is old. He’s bumped up Matthews and JTs mins, he’s given them both more offensive zone starts, he’s playing Justin Holl, he’s trying a completely new system. I like all of that.

But his team is trying too many point shots, he’s been stubborn on back to backs(not totally convinced this is on him and instead a sports science team telling him to) and has deployed Barrie pretty horribly. I don’t like all of that.

People blaming him entirely are wrong and people blaming the team entirely are wrong.

Give him and the team till Christmas. Then cry and whine all you want(not directed at you)
- Santo_44

Its not old at all
He rarely changes things on the fly. If he makes an adjustment its usually short live.

I never even liked Cherry.
But I'll support anyone that is wanting to make a good point but gets attacked because of virtue signalling reasons.
- MaximusAurelius

The idea that everyone should be wearing poppies is a good point.
But that's not the point he made.
He angrily singled out one group. It was wrong and theres no argument to be made otherwise.
I was starting to have a little sympathy for him after his two Canadian tv interbiews (one was global), but then he went on Fox with that low life racist douche canoe, ive got a dumbfack looking fack face piece of sh!t tucker Carlson.
Then he lost me again.
Although don did not look too pleased with that low life racist douche canoe, ive got a dumbfack looking fack face piece of sh!t tucker carlson.

Charges against Matthews dropped.

Charges against Matthews dropped.
- Atomic Wedgie

$$$$ solves everything.
in particular in the US.

I never even liked Cherry.
But I'll support anyone that is wanting to make a good point but gets attacked because of virtue signalling reasons.
- MaximusAurelius

Another part of the article articulates the whole problem better than I could:

"As I wrote Monday morning, what Cherry said wasn’t just offensive or anti-PC. It was worse than that. It was the one thing Don Cherry was never supposed to be: un-Canadian. I wasn’t born in this country, but I’ve been here for almost my entire life, and I was always taught that it doesn’t matter where you’re from or when you get here. It’s not about how you look or talk or pray or whether you can skate. If you’re Canadian, you’re Canadian. That’s the ideal. It’s one we certainly don’t always live up to, but it’s the goal. Cherry’s words pulled in the opposite direction."

This isn't about virtue signalling or any other bullpoop like that - it's about divisive comments aimed at a group of "others" at a time when divisions along lines of identity are greater than they have been for years.

EDIT: I just want to make another point here as well. Divisive rhetoric aimed at immigrants or any other minority has always been wrong and offensive. The fact that someone will stand up and call something offensive doesn't mean that they're softer or more easily offended. It's that they're sick of folks that have just shrugged it off or offered a thumbs up in the past, and are now taking a stand. In many cases it's not that we now know better - it's that we do better.

Charges against Matthews dropped.
- Atomic Wedgie

Ah yes, to be a rich white guy.

Still, good news.

What he said was incredibly offensive and anti-Canadian and it wasn't the first time either.

I don't know what else there is to it.
- gravyface

Perfectly said Gravsie

Ah yes, to be a rich white guy.

Still, good news.
- Fakepartofme

Yes. Only white men can by their way out of trouble.

If matthews was even half Mexican, his money would be no good.

Lou/Babcock 2016/17 - 95 Points (13th in Corsi)
Lou/Babcock 2017/18 - 105 Points* (17th in Corsi)
Dubas/Babcock 2018/19 - 100 Points (8th in Corsi)
Dubas/Babcock 2019/20 - 90 Points ** (3rd in Corsi)

* Franchise Record
** On pace for

Kyle needs to stop putting his mark on this team.
- walshyleafsfan

A couple things.

2017/18/19 were 1st round exits. And the last 2 were deemed failures or disappointments.

Also, Teams for the most part are not using Corsi. and most in the public stats realm are using other stuff like expected goals. Which the Leafs are now one of the worst in the League.

And last...there is 60 games to go, we cant put a bow on things and make conclusions yet.

Derp!!!!

GLG

I never even liked Cherry.
But I'll support anyone that is wanting to make a good point but gets attacked because of virtue signalling reasons.
- MaximusAurelius

Although I agree with you on principle, I've noticed in the past couple of weeks he's been rambling badly. The night where they had the National Chief on, he was almost completely disconnected with the conversation, repeating things... My friend and I were almost wondering if Don maybe had one too many "pops" before the segment. So this may have just been the straw that broke the camels back.

Leafs are the 3rd best Corsi team in the NHL, so Babcock definitely has us playing the right way.
- walshyleafsfan

Walshy... not arguing... just inquiring.

Which column in the standings is the one that represents CORSI?

and is there another column that captures PUSSI?

Another part of the article articulates the whole problem better than I could:

"As I wrote Monday morning, what Cherry said wasn’t just offensive or anti-PC. It was worse than that. It was the one thing Don Cherry was never supposed to be: un-Canadian. I wasn’t born in this country, but I’ve been here for almost my entire life, and I was always taught that it doesn’t matter where you’re from or when you get here. It’s not about how you look or talk or pray or whether you can skate. If you’re Canadian, you’re Canadian. That’s the ideal. It’s one we certainly don’t always live up to, but it’s the goal. Cherry’s words pulled in the opposite direction."

This isn't about virtue signalling or any other bullpoop like that - it's about divisive comments aimed at a group of "others" at a time when divisions along lines of identity are greater than they have been for years.

EDIT: I just want to make another point here as well. Divisive rhetoric aimed at immigrants or any other minority has always been wrong and offensive. The fact that someone will stand up and call something offensive doesn't mean that they're softer or more easily offended. It's that they're sick of folks that have just shrugged it off or offered a thumbs up in the past, and are now taking a stand. In many cases it's not that we now know better - it's that we do better.
- lumlums

Easily the most mind-blowing sentence on HB this year!!!

WTF has happened to ya???

Another part of the article articulates the whole problem better than I could:

"As I wrote Monday morning, what Cherry said wasn’t just offensive or anti-PC. It was worse than that. It was the one thing Don Cherry was never supposed to be: un-Canadian. I wasn’t born in this country, but I’ve been here for almost my entire life, and I was always taught that it doesn’t matter where you’re from or when you get here. It’s not about how you look or talk or pray or whether you can skate. If you’re Canadian, you’re Canadian. That’s the ideal. It’s one we certainly don’t always live up to, but it’s the goal. Cherry’s words pulled in the opposite direction."

This isn't about virtue signalling or any other bullpoop like that - it's about divisive comments aimed at a group of "others" at a time when divisions along lines of identity are greater than they have been for years.

EDIT: I just want to make another point here as well. Divisive rhetoric aimed at immigrants or any other minority has always been wrong and offensive. The fact that someone will stand up and call something offensive doesn't mean that they're softer or more easily offended. It's that they're sick of folks that have just shrugged it off or offered a thumbs up in the past, and are now taking a stand. In many cases it's not that we now know better - it's that we do better.
- lumlums

I agree here totally. And esp on your last edit.

You get called a snowflake and poop like that, but its about time the ones who are sick of the poop stand up and put a stop to it or make your thoughts known instead of just ignoring the bigot or loud mouth.

Charges against Matthews dropped.
- Atomic Wedgie

Now he focus on playing hockey and scoring goals on the road!..

Draisaitl with 41 points?
Wow.

Yes. Only white men can by their way out of trouble.

If matthews was even half Mexican, his money would be no good.
- Tumbleweed

Peso eh !

Echo Chamber

Echo Chamber
- Strider

And the bunnymen?

DGB has a piece on the athletic on the pros and cons of replacing Cherry with Burkie, and this one is gold:

Pro: Is an American citizen, and let’s be honest it would be kind of funny to see Don Cherry replaced by a foreigner who came over here and took his job.


- lumlums

irony aside...

and actually who really cares if it "bothers Cherry" - he had his run - the "thing" I would worry most about is that people watching would likely not judge what whomever is sitting in that chair as acutely as they have Cherry in the past.... we'd be soft on whoever is there because we don't want another fiasco ending like what happened with Cherry last week.

part of the reason Cherry "schtick" worked for so long was, that for the most part he stayed between the "hockey-talk lane markers"... and whether you liked him or didn't he was pro Canadian.

so I don't know if putting a non-Canadian in that seat isn't just a tad disingenuous to the audience.

one things for sure... they have to change the name and format a bit... as its unlikely that they find a personality who can approach filling the attention grabbing aspect of what Cherry did.

Ah yes, to be a rich white guy.

Still, good news.
- Fakepartofme

Or OJ

irony aside...

and actually who really cares if it "bothers Cherry" - he had his run - the "thing" I would worry most about is that people watching would likely not judge what whomever is sitting in that chair as acutely as they have Cherry in the past.... we'd be soft on whoever is there because we don't want another fiasco ending like what happened with Cherry last week.

part of the reason Cherry "schtick" worked for so long was, that for the most part he stayed between the "hockey-talk lane markers"... and whether you liked him or didn't he was pro Canadian.

so I don't know if putting a non-Canadian in that seat isn't just a tad disingenuous to the audience.

one things for sure... they have to change the name and format a bit... as its unlikely that they find a personality who can approach filling the attention grabbing aspect of what Cherry did.
- BorjeFan4Ever

John Tortorella only has a few weeks before he'll be available.

He just misspelled ffs. Guys got the nicest avi ever
- 21peter

Leafs fans are mean these days Peter. Cold and mean and they will eat their own

irony aside...

and actually who really cares if it "bothers Cherry" - he had his run - the "thing" I would worry most about is that people watching would likely not judge what whomever is sitting in that chair as acutely as they have Cherry in the past.... we'd be soft on whoever is there because we don't want another fiasco ending like what happened with Cherry last week.

part of the reason Cherry "schtick" worked for so long was, that for the most part he stayed between the "hockey-talk lane markers"... and whether you liked him or didn't he was pro Canadian.

so I don't know if putting a non-Canadian in that seat isn't just a tad disingenuous to the audience.

one things for sure... they have to change the name and format a bit... as its unlikely that they find a personality who can approach filling the attention grabbing aspect of what Cherry did.
- BorjeFan4Ever

I have been going back and watching old Cherry clips, because for a long time I was cool with his shtick, until maybe 5 or so years ago maybe longer..the quality of his analysys really nose dive...But after watching the old clips, I think I was fine overlooking a lot of stuff because he wrapped everything in a pro-Canadian blanket.

But you can be pro Canadian and not put down others