This losing will be good for team unity, they'll figure out they need to be going full out in both ends of the ice.....win tonight and tomorrow and everybody will have their pom poms waving again.

I'm late to this party, but I would just comment that I always felt with Cherry, you had to pick the parts that were good and toss away the rest.

Like a druncle or a racist grandparent . . . they are there, and they are spouting, and you toss so much noise out - because you can't upset the family at Christmas - but in the end they still have value in some of the things they say, and you take from those.

His positions on touch-icing, hitting from behind, playing tough with respect for the other player (which actually did evolve a bit, but not enough over time), how to absorb a body check, child hockey safety and awareness, all Emergency Services personnel and the armed forces were all very good messages.

His positions on most other things should have been dismissed.

The problem is that most people aren't good at disseminating the message and tossing out the bad parts.

Edit: This last paragraph is not to say that it's okay to say divisive things if people can separate the messages; there's no room for it. The last paragraph is really intended to note that while you can say good things, if you're embedding bad things in that message, your message is corrupted.
- Monkeypunk

Meh over sensitivity here. The western world has gone nucking futs. We've gone from corrective measures to over corrective measures and the beast of social media creating bandwagons at will. Then you get the dummy from the social harping on white people and privellage, she gets away with just an aplology that Im sure she did with gritted teeth. Then people get all devensive when black face is brought up in comparison, citing it was in the past, when other have done things in the past the same yet are punished for them. Its very selective it seems here which is thedfrustrating part. Personally I think our PM is a tool and cant understand the fanboyish almost cult following he has albeit the last election showed that more people are getting sick of his crap and the french basically said up yours and we saw the Bloc come back in a big way.

We have to be accomodating to everyone, we cant risk offending anyone and if we do are shamed for it publicy and banished for life when back in the 90's it was conquer hate/intolerence with love and understanding.

Im mean think about what we are seeing these days: gender has become choice? Who saw this coming?

You are making a staple with your “no one cares” line

Your kids got you into saying that?
- Santo_44

kind of a direct analog for "sophisticated Boomer labeling"...

"no one cares" only triggers you if you care.... so either you're being to sensitive or what matters to you (which is okay) simply is inconsequential to everyone else.

Draisaitl with 5 assists.


McDavid+Draisaitl > Lemieux+Jagr
- Steven_Seagull

You must not have seen Lemieux and Jags play then ...

Kerfoot has been good this year, this could hurt...

Hopefully Babs will lean on Matthews and JT more and not give more ice time to SHORE...

Meh over sensitivity here. The western world has gone nucking futs. We've gone from corrective measures to over corrective measures and the beast of social media creating bandwagons at will. Then you get the dummy from the social harping on white people and privellage, she gets away with just an aplology that Im sure she did with gritted teeth. Then people get all devensive when black face is brought up in comparison, citing it was in the past, when other have done things in the past the same yet are punished for them. Its very selective it seems here which is thedfrustrating part. Personally I think our PM is a tool and cant understand the fanboyish almost cult following he has albeit the last election showed that more people are getting sick of his crap and the french basically said up yours and we saw the Bloc come back in a big way.

We have to be accomodating to everyone, we cant risk offending anyone and if we do are shamed for it publicy and banished for life when back in the 90's it was conquer hate/intolerence with love and understanding.

Im mean think about what we are seeing these days: gender has become choice? Who saw this coming?
- mel_vin

I ignore the political part of this more specifically because when it comes down to it - most successful politicians would be people I wouldn't want to hang out with or talk to. You have to be pretty full of yourself to think, "Millions of people would love ME!".

It's an insanely deep topic that you can't cover on a hockey website. My friend has a daughter who is transitioning from who used to be his son. My friend's experiences going through have educated me quite a bit when I was coming from a position of ignorance. I don't think there's a good answer to the gender issue, but after seeing only a small part of what they have gone through and the mental and emotional stress it's caused, I can begin to understand the difficulties.

All of these things are related. It's all a way of saying to someone or some group of people - YOU don't belong. YOU aren't one of us.

That's what all of this is attempting to quell.

kind of a direct analog for "sophisticated Boomer labeling"...

"no one cares" only triggers you if you care.... so either you're being to sensitive or what matters to you (which is okay) simply is inconsequential to everyone else.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Mhm okay cool, you can try and breakdown conversation to a science between people online. If you have time for that then great. Have at it.

I ignore the political part of this more specifically because when it comes down to it - most successful politicians would be people I wouldn't want to hang out with or talk to. You have to be pretty full of yourself to think, "Millions of people would love ME!".

It's an insanely deep topic that you can't cover on a hockey website. My friend has a daughter who is transitioning from who used to be his son. My friend's experiences going through have educated me quite a bit when I was coming from a position of ignorance. I don't think there's a good answer to the gender issue, but after seeing only a small part of what they have gone through and the mental and emotional stress it's caused, I can begin to understand the difficulties.

All of these things are related. It's all a way of saying to someone or some group of people - YOU don't belong. YOU aren't one of us.

That's what all of this is attempting to quell.
- Monkeypunk

Please dont misunderstand, I just meant that wow, look this is something that is happening now, not that Im on any side of the debate coin.

Agree this is a hockey website and things like this probably shouldnt come up in convo..but with Cherry issue its shifted a bit here, we'll keep it to a minimum...one last point tho I thought of. The stance thats been taken is racism is racism is racism, there are no shades of grey or levels of it and that is almost as dangeous. You mentioned the "old grandmother" thing and this is perfect example of this. IMO atrue racist person would want nothing to do with the groups of people they hate, and would probably stop at nothing to make their lives difficult or could be down right evil. Cherry hugged and kissed Kadri, but then says "you people". hardly a white pointed hat clan member much like old granny who might say something of similar nature. For the most part we can educate people, but some are old and will just say what they say, again tho in context dont believe they are evil people. And in others there will be individuals who may just not like a group of people of a ethincal background for whatever reasons. They may keep it internal to themselves but its there, but more importatly Im sure that feeling in some cases are probably very much mutual.


Im just sick on the self righteous bandwagon jumping public shaming of individuals and the selectiveness of when to be offended or not. Again, conquer hate /intolerance though love and understanding.

Easily the most mind-blowing sentence on HB this year!!!

WTF has happened to ya???
- 21peter

Meh over sensitivity here. The western world has gone nucking futs. We've gone from corrective measures to over corrective measures and the beast of social media creating bandwagons at will. Then you get the dummy from the social harping on white people and privellage, she gets away with just an aplology that Im sure she did with gritted teeth. Then people get all devensive when black face is brought up in comparison, citing it was in the past, when other have done things in the past the same yet are punished for them. Its very selective it seems here which is thedfrustrating part. Personally I think our PM is a tool and cant understand the fanboyish almost cult following he has albeit the last election showed that more people are getting sick of his crap and the french basically said up yours and we saw the Bloc come back in a big way.

We have to be accomodating to everyone, we cant risk offending anyone and if we do are shamed for it publicy and banished for life when back in the 90's it was conquer hate/intolerence with love and understanding.

Im mean think about what we are seeing these days: gender has become choice? Who saw this coming?
- mel_vin

Conservatives had a meltdown in the 50’s because a black women didn’t want to sit in the back of the bus. Being overly sensitive isn’t new, nor is it a left/right problem. How many videos are there of angry white people going on racist rants because they overheard a private conversation being spoken in a different language?

Kerfoot has been good this year, this could hurt...

Hopefully Babs will lean on Matthews and JT more and not give more ice time to SHORE...
- Hockey_Reverend

GOAT to the rescue!

but he was right
- drexel

Yep "them people" that didn't buy poppies should have.
I don't care where you're from, you live in this country and enjoys the freedoms it gives , at the very least you should support the troops that help keep those freedoms.

Conservatives had a meltdown in the 50’s because a black women didn’t want to sit in the back of the bus. Being overly sensitive isn’t new, nor is it a left/right problem. How many videos are there of angry white people going on racist rants because they overheard a private conversation being spoken in a different language?
- Steven_Seagull

I was angry because I know French and the gentleman and his cohorts in question were insulting lums for his lily white skin!

GOAT to the rescue!
- Steven_Seagull

Mhm okay cool, you can try and breakdown conversation to a science between people online. If you have time for that then great. Have at it.
- Santo_44

no attempt to breakdown conversation at all...

simply pointing out that labeling someone as a "Snowflake", "Boomer", "Whiner", DRuncle or whatever is just labeling.

you don't get to somehow feel "bad" because someone labeled you a Snowflake.... how you chose to react - whether appropriate or over reacting is on you.

I've always felt that for a name or label that I have or is attributed to me - I can chose to react to it... or not. React or over react... that's up to me.

I guess I wrongly assume that other people take the same approach. I'm not offended by being labelled a "Boomer"... 'cause technically I am one. I don't like the assumptions and wide sweeping generalizations associated with the label... but I don't lose sleep over it. I don't feel "disconnected" from society because of it. I don't need a safe space to hide in. I don't run to other folks in my labeled category to quickly form a mob to oppose the label.

but I guess that's a generational thing, independence of thought or group think.

no attempt to breakdown conversation at all...

simply pointing out that labeling someone as a "Snowflake", "Boomer", "Whiner", DRuncle or whatever is just labeling.

you don't get to somehow feel "bad" because someone labeled you a Snowflake.... how you chose to react - whether appropriate or over reacting is on you.

I've always felt that for a name or label that I have or is attributed to me - I can chose to react to it... or not. React or over react... that's up to me.

I guess I wrongly assume that other people take the same approach. I'm not offended by being labelled a "Boomer"... 'cause technically I am one. I don't like the assumptions and wide sweeping generalizations associated with the label... but I don't lose sleep over it. I don't feel "disconnected" from society because of it. I don't need a safe space to hide in. I don't run to other folks in my labeled category to quickly form a mob to oppose the label.

but I guess that's a generational thing, independence of thought or group think.
- BorjeFan4Ever

*comtinues to breakdown conversation*

Well written, I’ll give ya that

no attempt to breakdown conversation at all...

simply pointing out that labeling someone as a "Snowflake", "Boomer", "Whiner", DRuncle or whatever is just labeling.

you don't get to somehow feel "bad" because someone labeled you a Snowflake.... how you chose to react - whether appropriate or over reacting is on you.

I've always felt that for a name or label that I have or is attributed to me - I can chose to react to it... or not. React or over react... that's up to me.

I guess I wrongly assume that other people take the same approach. I'm not offended by being labelled a "Boomer"... 'cause technically I am one. I don't like the assumptions and wide sweeping generalizations associated with the label... but I don't lose sleep over it. I don't feel "disconnected" from society because of it. I don't need a safe space to hide in. I don't run to other folks in my labeled category to quickly form a mob to oppose the label.

but I guess that's a generational thing, independence of thought or group think.
- BorjeFan4Ever

You're a boomer, hard nosed not like these sissy snowflakes that are running around nowadays.

I’m pretty partial when it comes to babs.

The narrative he doesn’t try new things is old. He’s bumped up Matthews and JTs mins, he’s given them both more offensive zone starts, he’s playing Justin Holl, he’s trying a completely new system. I like all of that.

But his team is trying too many point shots, he’s been stubborn on back to backs(not totally convinced this is on him and instead a sports science team telling him to) and has deployed Barrie pretty horribly. I don’t like all of that.

People blaming him entirely are wrong and people blaming the team entirely are wrong.

Give him and the team till Christmas. Then cry and whine all you want(not directed at you)
- Santo_44

on back to backs... why not start the backup on game one, when the rest of the team is "fresh" and have the almighty Andersen play game two. The better goalie with the tired team instead of vise versa?

You're a boomer, hard nosed not like these sissy snowflakes that are running around nowadays.
- bobbyisno1

Tough as nails I bin through a lot I tell ya

Let me tell ya

I bin through more than any one of ya’s coulda imagine

Tough as nails I bin through a lot I tell ya

Let me tell ya

I bin through more than any one of ya’s coulda imagine
- Santo_44

Cherry is from the silent generation, look how that turned out.
And I still believe when he said "you people" he was talking about people that didn't buy poppies, not what colour they are, cause trust me there are a lot of white Canadians that don't buy them.

Just because he did change ( examples given such as Matthews mins) doesn't mean he's still not a dinasour. It took him like 1.5 years to get there, and to do things like stop dressing Martin when it was painfully obvious he was worthless.


And he's still doing tons of dumb poop like dressing your weakest goalie against the toughest comps with your team on the 2nd of b2b.


Holl has been great this year, why couldn't he get into the lineup 1 yr ago? Babs playing trash cans oz and marincin continually while they keep sucking time after time.


Babcock wants this team to play boring low event hockey, and then everyone wonders why they can't score.
- burn

sorry for my above comment. just read this...

Hey Mike. On a separate note I haven't really heard much debate on the whos better? Connor McDavid or Auston Matthews? like we did all last year.... Maybe because there isn't really a debate at least so far this year right?

Please dont misunderstand, I just meant that wow, look this is something that is happening now, not that Im on any side of the debate coin.

Agree this is a hockey website and things like this probably shouldnt come up in convo..but with Cherry issue its shifted a bit here, we'll keep it to a minimum...one last point tho I thought of. The stance thats been taken is racism is racism is racism, there are no shades of grey or levels of it and that is almost as dangeous. You mentioned the "old grandmother" thing and this is perfect example of this. IMO atrue racist person would want nothing to do with the groups of people they hate, and would probably stop at nothing to make their lives difficult or could be down right evil. Cherry hugged and kissed Kadri, but then says "you people". hardly a white pointed hat clan member much like old granny who might say something of similar nature. For the most part we can educate people, but some are old and will just say what they say, again tho in context dont believe they are evil people. And in others there will be individuals who may just not like a group of people of a ethincal background for whatever reasons. They may keep it internal to themselves but its there, but more importatly Im sure that feeling in some cases are probably very much mutual.


Im just sick on the self righteous bandwagon jumping public shaming of individuals and the selectiveness of when to be offended or not. Again, conquer hate /intolerance though love and understanding.
- mel_vin

A couple of comments, here, though: Racism isn't just black and white. I mean it's not like they think if they socialize with a black/white/hispanic/asian person they'll get some sort of race-based-cooties and they'll be kicked out of all of their fancy racist clubs. Racists can even have friends who are visible minorities. A lot of racists may not even realize that they are - because like so many things, it exists in scales.

I think you're right, however, that the solution is education, progress, re-education, messaging, re-education again . . . and yes, certainly some of the critical viewpoints are overly self-congratulatory and sanctimonious and it can be irritating.

I don't like that we are in a place where social media shaming is such a focal point, either. People lose their jobs over things they've said on social media. I don't know if that person had a bad day or a bad moment or just generally is a bad apple. No one does, but the judgement is cast like a gigantic game of pile-on.

At the end of the day, I have never agreed with any of Cherry's xenophobic ramblings but I come from a generation where you just ignore people like that. Honestly, it's probably a good thing that we are trying to pay more attention to the messages we send and hold each other accountable.

Hey Mike. On a separate note I haven't really heard much debate on the whos better? Connor McDavid or Auston Matthews? like we did all last year.... Maybe because there isn't really a debate at least so far this year right?
- Thoroldbhawks

That's an EK topic, why bring it here?



Sorry..

That's a hockey topic, why bring it here?

Cherry is from the silent generation, look how that turned out.
And I still believe when he said "you people" he was talking about people that didn't buy poppies, not what colour they are, cause trust me there are a lot of white Canadians that don't buy them.
- bobbyisno1

Every generation has its pros and cons.

I always hate getting into arguing which is better because it’s useless.

Each generation is a product of their times. People hate change.

But I agree there are a lot of white people who don’t buy poppies. Half the people I know don’t.