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MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 5:34 PM ET
Google it . Also Hocky DB can give you all stats within seconds. Every team selects a team mvp, unsung hero etc at year end. This is not something you see in NHL stats but just team recognition of it players at year end.
- joegreif17


I did google it. Can't find it.
BenderRodriguez
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Norristown, PA
Joined: 01.19.2011

Nov 15 @ 5:38 PM ET
We can but it won't be Luke this time. Unfortunately the Blues would never trade the guy they stole from us, mvp and cup winner Schenn and his new 8 year deal speaks volumes to how bad we got raped.
- joegreif17


Lol
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 15 @ 5:39 PM ET
Adding Schenn to this team currently would absolutely make them a better team. Puzzled that you don't think that he would.
- MJL



I had to think about my initial statement a bit because once I got away from work and actually sat down I realized that I didn't word it right so I will own that.

I believe that Schenn would make the team slightly better right now but not enough to make them a contender.

I believe that if or when they are contenders That Farabee and Frost will be better fits.
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 15 @ 5:39 PM ET
since we're playing the schenn couturier game again
Schenn 10G 7A Stanley Cup
Couturier 5G 8A No Stanley Cup
hockeylover
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: There's always next year., NT
Joined: 08.03.2006

Nov 15 @ 5:46 PM ET
How old are you, 80?
- SuperSchennBros


Someday's I feel like it!!

I wasn't busting on ya, but his response about the schenn's made me think of that line.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 5:52 PM ET
I had to think about my initial statement a bit because once I got away from work and actually sat down I realized that I didn't word it right so I will own that.

I believe that Schenn would make the team slightly better right now but not enough to make them a contender.

I believe that if or when they are contenders That Farabee and Frost will be better fits.

- opeth_pa


I think that's a more reasonable take but I find it contradictory. You praised the Flyers for adding players like Hayes and Niskanen. I don't believe those moves make them a contender so why the double standard?
Bill Meltzer
Editor
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 07.13.2006

Nov 15 @ 6:15 PM ET
Fun read...

Therien's Take: Locker Room Chemistry
https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-311355610
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 15 @ 6:22 PM ET
Adding Schenn to this team currently would absolutely make them a better team. Puzzled that you don't think that he would.
- MJL


While I am fine with the two first rounders we got for schenn he wasn’t amazing but wasn’t bad. Dont forget he was an excellent player in big stage games. Here he didn’t always bring that consistency when he was here. I loved his game when he was on and wish they played him more with coots. But like I said was ok with the return.

Right now in his career there is no doubt adding a player like that to this roster Improves it. With the cap hit no not possible.
Peter Richards
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 08.24.2019

Nov 15 @ 6:23 PM ET
Fun read...

Therien's Take: Locker Room Chemistry
https://www.nhl.com/flyer...elphia-flyers/c-311355610

- bmeltzer


Thanks.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 15 @ 6:27 PM ET
I think that's a more reasonable take but I find it contradictory. You praised the Flyers for adding players like Hayes and Niskanen. I don't believe those moves make them a contender so why the double standard?
- MJL



Because I think they are and were good pickups but I dont think either makes them a contender, just like I don't think B Schenn on the team this year makes them a contender.

I think we are looking at next season or the season after with the window really opening up.
flyeredup85
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 04.05.2012

Nov 15 @ 6:30 PM ET
I think that's a more reasonable take but I find it contradictory. You praised the Flyers for adding players like Hayes and Niskanen. I don't believe those moves make them a contender so why the double standard?
- MJL

You dont think adding Hayes helps them getting close to contending?Ok then, if Hayes isnt here who is their 2nd line center?Its a process.They have young players who still need to improve and grow.Adding players like Hayes absolutely helps the process along.If you want to sit and wait for kid after kid it will never work. You need to add established players.I love how people are judging the Hayes signing already.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 6:31 PM ET
Because I think they are and were good pickups but I dont think either makes them a contender, just like I don't think B Schenn on the team this year makes them a contender.

I think we are looking at next season or the season after with the window really opening up.

- opeth_pa


Hayes and Niskanen make the team better though, right?
2Real
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: IT'S GRITTIN TIME, CA
Joined: 07.14.2007

Nov 15 @ 6:33 PM ET
Hayes and Niskanen make the team better though, right?
- MJL

niskanen does
flyeredup85
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 04.05.2012

Nov 15 @ 6:37 PM ET
Schenn when he played here everyone complained that he sucked 5 vs 5 ,he was lazy,pp specialist etc.Now he wins a cup and people questioned the move.Schenn in philly wouldn't have made a difference. He needed that kick in the ass to wake him up.Getting traded is a piece of humble pie that boy needed. I hope Farabee and Frost together will be way more valuable than Schenn.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Nov 15 @ 6:45 PM ET
Schenn when he played here everyone complained that he sucked 5 vs 5 ,he was lazy,pp specialist etc.Now he wins a cup and people questioned the move.Schenn in philly wouldn't have made a difference. He needed that kick in the ass to wake him up.Getting traded is a piece of humble pie that boy needed. I hope Farabee and Frost together will be way more valuable than Schenn.
- flyeredup85


Relatively speaking, there are few players who are true difference makers. None of the players the Flyers added this past off season, qualify for that yet everyone for good reasons was excited about the moves. Schenn was a good player here. He was younger and still developing but still a good player. Anyone who doesn't think so is wrong. Schenn on this team right now in place of Farabee, would help them. I see some things in Farabee as a 19 year that makes me think that long term, he will be a better player that Schenn but I don't know that for a fact. I just don't understand why for some, Schenn has to be disparaged as a player to like the trade. The trade was a deal that helped both teams. The Blues got a key player on a Cup team. The Flyers got two young high quality talents in the deal. The trade doesn't have to be justified by pretending that Schenn isn't a good player or wouldn't help the Flyers if he was still here.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 15 @ 6:52 PM ET
Hayes and Niskanen make the team better though, right?
- MJL


Yes they do..
Just like Schenn would make the team better..
I dont think any of them make the team a contender unless it was all 3 at once.
flyeredup85
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: ON
Joined: 04.05.2012

Nov 15 @ 7:16 PM ET
Relatively speaking, there are few players who are true difference makers. None of the players the Flyers added this past off season, qualify for that yet everyone for good reasons was excited about the moves. Schenn was a good player here. He was younger and still developing but still a good player. Anyone who doesn't think so is wrong. Schenn on this team right now in place of Farabee, would help them. I see some things in Farabee as a 19 year that makes me think that long term, he will be a better player that Schenn but I don't know that for a fact. I just don't understand why for some, Schenn has to be disparaged as a player to like the trade. The trade was a deal that helped both teams. The Blues got a key player on a Cup team. The Flyers got two young high quality talents in the deal. The trade doesn't have to be justified by pretending that Schenn isn't a good player or wouldn't help the Flyers if he was still here.
- MJL

I agree Schenn now is an upgrade on Farabee, of course i think he was a good player here and is even better now.Im just saying Schenn took a lot of nights off and was frustrating to watch at times.You knew he had another gear.I remember him vs the caps in the playoffs. He was physical, was involved, you noticed him all the time he was on the ice. Unfortunately that Schenn didnt show up too many nights in the regular season. So thats why he was expendable. Lets both hope Farabee and Frost are contributing in a yr or 2.Cheers
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 15 @ 7:29 PM ET
I think it’s fair to say the Schenn trade helped him grow as a player/person. He def had inconsistent times with us. Perhaps he felt safe with his job, which no one should feel safe in any level of work. I think it woke him up a bit as well as motivated him. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery to reach a next level.
KINGKENZO
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: OMAR COMIN'..Head or Gut?.....Watching regular white people
Joined: 01.10.2008

Nov 15 @ 7:35 PM ET
I think it’s fair to say the Schenn trade helped him grow as a player/person. He def had inconsistent times with us. Perhaps he felt safe with his job, which no one should feel safe in any level of work. I think it woke him up a bit as well as motivated him. Sometimes a guy just needs a change of scenery to reach a next level.
- arichardson22

and to play with Tarasenko and Schwartz
arichardson22
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philly, PA
Joined: 06.10.2013

Nov 15 @ 7:41 PM ET
and to play with Tarasenko and Schwartz
- KINGKENZO


That certainly helps but when you get traded a player has two choices: make the most of the new opportunity or feel sad for yourself lol. Schenn made most of it
Dkos
Season Ticket Holder
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Gritty, PA
Joined: 01.15.2007

Nov 15 @ 7:42 PM ET
Was just a matter of time.
Pelle31Forever
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 05.20.2014

Nov 15 @ 7:42 PM ET
(frank)ing-a-right boys. What a start.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 15 @ 7:43 PM ET
(frank)ing-a-right boys. What a start.
- Pelle31Forever


Arm pitlick with the snipe! Great start. What you want to see.
Hextall271
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Hart-Land, NB
Joined: 01.18.2007

Nov 15 @ 7:44 PM ET
Was just a matter of time.
- Dkos


Jvr all over the place can't bury it.
opeth_pa
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: The Implication
Joined: 12.13.2011

Nov 15 @ 7:44 PM ET
The Flyers are really flying out there..

Keep going .
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