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Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Nov 17 @ 7:53 AM ET
The ancient bum Seabrook is now +12 over his last 5 games.
- Hawks_49


Seabs has been ok since De Haan has been his partner. I think that's the change we see in him. Posted before and still think that has been De Haan's best contribution as a Hawk. .......... Seems Seabs must play or the room will explode and pairing him with De Haan has made that palatable/workable. I'd add not having to play man to man for a guy like Seabs is a better system for him.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Nov 17 @ 7:59 AM ET
Corsi 62-37 NSH
SOG 38-23 NSH
Scoring chances for 26-12 NSH
High danger chances for 6-6
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:16 AM ET
Seabs has been ok since De Haan has been his partner. I think that's the change we see in him. Posted before and still think that has been De Haan's best contribution as a Hawk. .......... Seems Seabs must play or the room will explode and pairing him with De Haan has made that palatable/workable. I'd add not having to play man to man for a guy like Seabs is a better system for him.
- Mr Ricochet

De Haan was a good pick up, he's playing solid "D" and moves the puck out well. I was hoping for some more offense from him but overall I like the fit.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:21 AM ET
Goals / goals against by period all strengths

1st - 21 9th in league / 12 1st (t)
2nd - 14 30th / 15 5th
3rd - 20 15th / 27 28th

Total - 57 20th / 56 7th

Hawks are still a game or two behind the league in games played.

Clean up the 3rd period a bit and they would have pretty good overall numbers.
I Am The Breadman
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Richton Park, IL
Joined: 09.16.2018

Nov 17 @ 8:22 AM ET
4 for Pecker
3 for Soreass
#easynight
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:22 AM ET
Not bad for a Swedish beer league coach.
- tazer_and_diet


And a guy who has clearly "lost the room"...
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 17 @ 8:29 AM ET
And a guy who has clearly "lost the room"...
- TrueGrit


You have to be torn. The more Gus scores the closer he gets to punching his ticket out of town.

I kid, but I do think we just saw his replacement get sent back down to RFD. If Gus is able to duplicate last years number or at least come close, I don't think the Hawks will be able to afford his next deal.

Really good win last night against another team that's been a pain in the Hawk's backside.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Nov 17 @ 8:29 AM ET
Corsi 62-37 NSH
SOG 38-23 NSH
Scoring chances for 26-12 NSH
High danger chances for 6-6

- Mr Ricochet

Long before the minutiae of all these stats became an obsession driven by the analytics 'experts on hockey', coaches, scouts, GMs and fans relied on the eye test and instant replay on TV.

Teams won Stanley Cups because they had top notch goaltending (Johnny Bower, Billy Smith, Terry Sawchuk,Bernie Parent) not because they won the stats game night after night. They could check, kill penalties, play physical as necessary and score enough to win. Call me a dinosaur but that's what I see the Hawks trying to evolve into this year.

The SOGs only matter depending on where they originate from, do they have a chance of going in and who is taking them. And the total number of them can be disputed every game every night. A 12 year old student might be the shotkeeper at the UC tonight and his grandmother might be doing it a week from now.

And could I get the definition of a high danger scoring chance from somebody please? If I am standing 10 feet in front of Robin Lehner get the puck and unleash my 33MPH slapshot at him is that a high danger scoring chance?
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:36 AM ET
And a guy who has clearly "lost the room"...
- TrueGrit

Certainly the last several games have been much better.

It helps to score 5 or 7 goals, as they have in 4 of the last 5.

Let’s see if they can win when the don’t - a 2-1 game, or 3-2.

They’ve given up 27 goals in the 3rd - 2 were ENG - so 25 which translates to 3.9 for a 3-period game. Some of the 3rd period results have been due to “score adjusted” situations, but you don’t want to be as loose in third period crunch time.

Let’s see how things play out over the season. Encouraging the last two weeks, more fun to watch, and only an adjusted point behind the teams ahead in the wild card race. A bubble team in projection on October 1, back to being a bubble team today.

But I’m not ready to anoint Colliton a quality NHL head coach yet.
RickJ
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burlington, ON
Joined: 01.12.2010

Nov 17 @ 8:37 AM ET
Goals / goals against by period all strengths

1st - 21 9th in league / 12 1st (t)
2nd - 14 30th / 15 5th
3rd - 20 15th / 27 28th

Total - 57 20th / 56 7th

Hawks are still a game or two behind the league in games played.

Clean up the 3rd period a bit and they would have pretty good overall numbers.

- StLBravesFan

The Toronto Babcocks have given up the first goal 7 games in a row. How do the Hawks rank in this important stat?
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 17 @ 8:45 AM ET
I enjoy the manic swings of that fan base.
- Chief4Feathers


I kind of enjoy the manic swings of our own.
StLBravesFan
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:45 AM ET
The Toronto Babcocks have given up the first goal 7 games in a row. How do the Hawks rank in this important stat?
- RickJ

Hawks have scored the first goal in 11 of their 19 games - opponents (if my math is correct) in 8.

Hawks are 7-1-3 when they score first, opponents are 1-6-1.

It goes along with their first-period dominance. (21-12).
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:49 AM ET
You have to be torn. The more Gus scores the closer he gets to punching his ticket out of town.

I kid, but I do think we just saw his replacement get sent back down to RFD. If Gus is able to duplicate last years number or at least come close, I don't think the Hawks will be able to afford his next deal.

Really good win last night against another team that's been a pain in the Hawk's backside.

- HawkintheD

Gus' defense play has improved somewhat this season and that may have more to him not being out of position so much on one of his offensive forays, but that has also cost him what his strength is, as his offensoive production is relatively negligible this season. I was hoping to see similar offense with improved defensive play. I expect, hope, the Hawks give him a contract based on his overall play and not on his offense or projected offense. If he wants the big bucks let him walk.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:51 AM ET
I kind of enjoy the manic swings of our own.
- HawkintheD

The manic swings of the BOD. Can't wait to see the tattooed wonder's take on this win streak, two weeks ago he had the team ready to be dynamited I bet he's fererishly working on various parade routes.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 17 @ 8:52 AM ET
All of them in the first half of that period. Hawks dominated since midway.
- kwolf68


Don't know if you or anyone else was treated to the Perd feed last night, but to listen to their announcers, Lehner was good, the Hawks aren't good and were very lucky, the Preds dominated but weren't getting the bounces, blah blah blah and

Crisp, who I've never really cared for as an announcer, at least summed things up fairly accurately at the end essentially that the Hawks took the game back midway through the first and never looked back.

Lehner gave up a couple goals late but held the fort when the game was on the line.

I just enjoyed how enthusiastic the Perd PA guy was on the second goal announcement even though the piss stains were down by 5 with a minute or two left.
TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:53 AM ET
You have to be torn. The more Gus scores the closer he gets to punching his ticket out of town.

I kid, but I do think we just saw his replacement get sent back down to RFD. If Gus is able to duplicate last years number or at least come close, I don't think the Hawks will be able to afford his next deal.

Really good win last night against another team that's been a pain in the Hawk's backside.

- HawkintheD


That is fine. Boqvist was poised, skilled and more instinctive in his own end then many expected.

Gus clearly has found his game, a new gear, the last 2 or 3 weeks. He definitely adds a much needed skill set to the style they want to play. The hawks are looking more like the team from last Feb/Mar. I believe the Hawks scored more goals, 5 on 5 off the rush then anyone else last season. That is the push game JC wants them to play offensively. (After playing clean in their own end).

We saw it last night, the Preds would press, get zone time and then like a fast break offense, the ice flipped and the puck was in their net. No doubt they need to continue to be better in their own end to minimize zone time and transition out.

As far as what Gus next deal is, what schools his kids end up going to, where he likes to vacation and ultimately where he retires...I am not so concerned.

It is my favorite time of the year, finally some cool air down in central florida. Holidays around the corner.

TrueGrit
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: FL
Joined: 07.19.2011

Nov 17 @ 8:58 AM ET
Gus' defense play has improved somewhat this season and that may have more to him not being out of position so much on one of his offensive forays, but that has also cost him what his strength is, as his offensoive production is relatively negligible this season. I was hoping to see similar offense with improved defensive play. I expect, hope, the Hawks give him a contract based on his overall play and not on his offense or projected offense. If he wants the big bucks let him walk.
- paulr


Agree, Agree, Agree.

The fan barometer for Gus will be if we see him on PP again. While putting Keith on the point clearly eliminates that shot as a prime threat, JC/Team has decided that the risk reward with Gus out there is not worth it. He seems to be out there far too often giving up short handed opportunities.

Keith is a more balanced option, he moves the puck well and has the ability to defend if needed.

If Gus gets back out there, we will know he has done something to prove/earn it (progress).

Not looking for this anytime soon.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Nov 17 @ 9:06 AM ET
Long before the minutiae of all these stats became an obsession driven by the analytics 'experts on hockey', coaches, scouts, GMs and fans relied on the eye test and instant replay on TV.

Teams won Stanley Cups because they had top notch goaltending (Johnny Bower, Billy Smith, Terry Sawchuk,Bernie Parent) not because they won the stats game night after night. They could check, kill penalties, play physical as necessary and score enough to win. Call me a dinosaur but that's what I see the Hawks trying to evolve into this year.

The SOGs only matter depending on where they originate from, do they have a chance of going in and who is taking them. And the total number of them can be disputed every game every night. A 12 year old student might be the shotkeeper at the UC tonight and his grandmother might be doing it a week from now.

And could I get the definition of a high danger scoring chance from somebody please? If I am standing 10 feet in front of Robin Lehner get the puck and unleash my 33MPH slapshot at him is that a high danger scoring chance?

- RickJ


As an old guy I will always give the eye test priority but have slowly gravitated to checking the fancies most every post game for teams I like, or for my fantasy roster. Sometimes they surprise me but going back maybe 2 yrs or so I've found the fancies, as I slowly begin to understand them and which mean more to me than others, support my eye test both for individuals and teams.

IMO management simply can't afford to shun the fancies, there is just to much information that can sort thru the micro of what happens on the ice.

Stats kept, SOG for instance, have always been skewed since Game 1 but over 82 games it equals out IMO. Like you I don't know what the stats keepers consider a high danger chance but think it equals out over 82 games. ...... And corsi for instance to me equals possession more than anything. You have to have possession to shoot and can't without it. Remember a guy like Rundblad was a corsi darling but the eye test showed the most novice fan the guy was a total bum.

Sports, and hockey particularly, is a game of nuance that stats can miss. The only stat that matters is wins and losses. .........

Watched forward Robert Mastrosimone try out for the Steel as a 16 yr old (drafted rd 2 this yr by DET). Kid was small, not strong, average skater. His first shift in the tryouts he took time and space away from a Dman already drafted, by Vegas I think, at the blueline, stripped him, went down and scored. 16 yr old strips a 19 yr old drafted. Next shift kid skates for 30 seconds and gets off. A 16 yr old, in a TRYOUT, gets off after 30 seconds!! Impressed me more than his strip and score the shift before.

He was my guy right then and there. Kid showed me the IQ to understand he was a liability to his TEAM when tired, as a 16 yr old. If I never saw him again I would know he made plays and decisions that helped his TEAM win, the only stat that matters and his getting off after 30 seconds helped his TEAM and that will never hit the scoresheet!

You're preaching to the choir Rick but IMO fancies have a place in hockey.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 17 @ 9:25 AM ET
Was reading an ESPN article online. Here's an excerpt...

There's only one threshold to watch for now with Dach: whether he hits 40 games, which brings him one year closer to unrestricted free agency. As with Boqvist, the Blackhawks don't intend to play Dach every night. One of the biggest reasons: At 6-foot-4 and just 164 pounds, he can get pushed around, and needs to bulk up.

If that were the case he'd look like an extra from the "The Walking Dead".
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Nov 17 @ 9:31 AM ET
For all the heat that Kampf took as our 3rd line center from many posters here, I like the way his game is coming around now. I have always liked his skating but it is the other parts of his game coming together that has me excited about his potential.
mohel
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 02.08.2013

Nov 17 @ 9:33 AM ET
The manic swings of the BOD. Can't wait to see the tattooed wonder's take on this win streak, two weeks ago he had the team ready to be dynamited I bet he's fererishly working on various parade routes.
- paulr


I bet he got another pup, and named him JC.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 17 @ 9:36 AM ET
For all the heat that Kampf took as our 3rd line center from many posters here, I like the way his game is coming around now. I have always liked his skating but it is the other parts of his game coming together that has me excited about his potential.
- 67hawks


I think our forward depth is so much better this year and he's one of a number of guys to be excited about. He'll never be confused with Kane or DeBrincat but he's chipping in some offense more regularly and for me that's gravy.

I've always appreciated his board play and overall tenacity. I always found that part to be false from some that post here that can't stand his game claiming how easy he was to knock off the puck, never wins any board battles, always falling down, etc.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Nov 17 @ 9:39 AM ET
I bet he got another pup, and named him JC.
- mohel


And a portrait of him on the other arm. Kind of like the one Chazz (Will Ferrell) had of Jimmy (Jon Heder) in "Blades of Glory".
67hawks
Joined: 08.30.2012

Nov 17 @ 9:41 AM ET
Was reading an ESPN article online. Here's an excerpt...

There's only one threshold to watch for now with Dach: whether he hits 40 games, which brings him one year closer to unrestricted free agency. As with Boqvist, the Blackhawks don't intend to play Dach every night. One of the biggest reasons: At 6-foot-4 and just 164 pounds, he can get pushed around, and needs to bulk up.

If that were the case he'd look like an extra from the "The Walking Dead".

- HawkintheD


Looked him up and 197 lbs is the stated weight for Dach but those size numbers are always questionable at best. By age 20-21, I am sure that Dach will be checking in at well over 200 and that will give him a lot more room on the ice as opponents begin to back off.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Nov 17 @ 9:42 AM ET
I bet he got another pup, and named him JC.
- mohel

I bet both dogs are Chihuahuas, which would fit in with the Great Tattoo's personality, but I fear when DACA is rescinded we will see Tattoo Boy cry yet again.
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