olde bas___...!

you should say "everyone" or "you people"
- BorjeFan4Ever

I'm only a couple of years older than Dubas

I used to. He's dead now so it's much easier.
- walshyleafsfan

That’s strange, but carry on.

You think the Fire Babcock crew contribute anything? The Dubas crew get so pissy because they couldn't see any of this coming. There are posters on this thread who saw something coming (maybe not as drastic). They get hounded by the regulars as "so called fans", laughy emoji's, called idiots, called all sorts of poop.

Well those idiots saw it coming and had some valid opinions. The rest of us calling them names and such were in fact totally wrong. Now it's too late. We all have to act pissy and be a complete moron to anyone who doesn't blame Babcock.

Well (frank)ing awesome Garnie. Glad we're at this point.
- walshyleafsfan

Gull, Santo, Winsix, Billx, burn. Loved to insult and belittle anyone who questioned the Boy Blunder. Not hearing much from their camp these days.

That’s strange, but carry on.
- Garnie

Thank you

You think the Fire Babcock crew contribute anything? The Dubas crew get so pissy because they couldn't see any of this coming. There are posters on this thread who saw something coming (maybe not as drastic). They get hounded by the regulars as "so called fans", laughy emoji's, called idiots, called all sorts of poop.

Well those idiots saw it coming and had some valid opinions. The rest of us calling them names and such were in fact totally wrong. Now it's too late. We all have to act pissy and be a complete moron to anyone who doesn't blame Babcock.

Well (frank)ing awesome Garnie. Glad we're at this point.
- walshyleafsfan

I'm in the let's-give-Dubas-more-than-a-year-and-a-bit camp because I don't believe that this current team's problems are personnel related: they are far too stacked (when healthy) to not be fighting for top spot in the division.

They have some holes (backup, Ceci), but have many key players are not playing up to their high standards:

Playing bad:
- Rielly
- Barrie

Playing ok:
- Tavares
- Marner
- Matthews

Guys playing above expectations:
- Holl
- Gauthier
- Mickey

Their 5v5 D and special teams are atrocious. That is 100% on the coaching. Why are they missing so many assignments? Why have new players (Ceci, Harpur) publicly come out in their interviews that the systems are difficult to understand and that they need more time to figure them out? This was at the end of training camp.

Babcock needs to go. I said I'd wait until November, and now we're at the quarter season mark, but I felt he needed to go in the summer after getting outcoached yet again by Boston.

Specifically, Babcock is too rigid with his systems, "his way", and does mindboggling things like starting the 4th line after a commercial break because tHe 4tH LiNe aLwAyS tAkEs tHe dZ FaCeOfFs.

He plays his best players far less than anyone else in the league and overplays his grinders.

He sits Holl and Leivo for months at a time, both serviceable NHLers who are now thriving with us or someone else, who may have ruined their careers in the process.

He refuses to make necessary adjustments throughout the game, whether it's calling a timeout or making an appropriate challenge on a call.

Babcock hasn't done anything in the NHL for over a decade; these players were in peewee when he last won a cup.

Time for a new look, salvage the season, let Dubas put his man in before canning him.

If Dubas and his new coach can't produce results, then yeah, it's time for Dubas to go, but after like a year in which he's done mostly good things, firing him now would be wrong.

I'm in the let's-give-Dubas-more-than-a-year-and-a-bit camp because I don't believe that this current team's problems are personnel related: they are far too stacked (when healthy) to not be fighting for top spot in the division.

They have some holes (backup, Ceci), but have many key players are not playing up to their high standards:

Playing bad:
- Rielly
- Barrie

Playing ok:
- Tavares
- Marner
- Matthews

Guys playing above expectations:
- Holl
- Gauthier
- Mickey

Their 5v5 D and special teams are atrocious. That is 100% on the coaching. Why are they missing so many assignments? Why have new players (Ceci, Harpur) publicly come out in their interviews that the systems are difficult to understand and that they need more time to figure them out? This was at the end of training camp.

Babcock needs to go. I said I'd wait until November, and now we're at the quarter season mark, but I felt he needed to go in the summer after getting outcoached yet again by Boston.

Specifically, Babcock is too rigid with his systems, "his way", and does mindboggling things like starting the 4th line after a commercial break because tHe 4tH LiNe aLwAyS tAkEs tHe dZ FaCeOfFs.

He plays his best players far less than anyone else in the league and overplays his grinders.

He sits Holl and Leivo for months at a time, both serviceable NHLers who are now thriving with us or someone else, who may have ruined their careers in the process.

He refuses to make necessary adjustments throughout the game, whether it's calling a timeout or making an appropriate challenge on a call.

Babcock hasn't done anything in the NHL for over a decade; these players were in peewee when he last won a cup.

Time for a new look, salvage the season, let Dubas put his man in before canning him.

If Dubas and his new coach can't produce results, then yeah, it's time for Dubas to go, but after like a year in which he's done mostly good things, firing him now would be wrong.
- gravyface

ok millennial















i approve of this post

All this Millennial vs. Boomer has a GenX like myself feeling left out.



You people are supposed to be inclusive

Gull, Santo, Winsix, Billx, burn. Loved to insult and belittle anyone who questioned the Boy Blunder. Not hearing much from their camp these days.
- DrunkenCanuck

They probably think doing something differently is inherently better in itself. Who cares if the new guy’s idea has never been tested in real life NHL? What can go wrong in that big experiment in the biggest hockey market in the world with 50 years of disappointment?

How dare someone question a 32 years old guy with sassy glasses?

Ultimately, yes it’s Shanny’s fault. He’s the one who decided to hire Dubas.

So sad, he started with his Shanny plan so brilliantly. Then he screws it up by hiring a wrong guy to see it through.

Gull, Santo, Winsix, Billx, burn. Loved to insult and belittle anyone who questioned the Boy Blunder. Not hearing much from their camp these days.
- DrunkenCanuck

This place lacks critical thinking and empathy, so basically the solution to every problem is to run head first into a wall screaming your head off.

All this Millennial vs. Boomer has a GenX like myself feeling left out.



You people are supposed to be inclusive
- Byfuglien Ate Me

gen x during this whole boomer vs millennial/gen z thing

I'm in the let's-give-Dubas-more-than-a-year-and-a-bit camp because I don't believe that this current team's problems are personnel related: they are far too stacked (when healthy) to not be fighting for top spot in the division.

They have some holes (backup, Ceci), but have many key players are not playing up to their high standards:

Playing bad:
- Rielly
- Barrie

Playing ok:
- Tavares
- Marner
- Matthews

Guys playing above expectations:
- Holl
- Gauthier
- Mickey

Their 5v5 D and special teams are atrocious. That is 100% on the coaching. Why are they missing so many assignments? Why have new players (Ceci, Harpur) publicly come out in their interviews that the systems are difficult to understand and that they need more time to figure them out? This was at the end of training camp.

Babcock needs to go. I said I'd wait until November, and now we're at the quarter season mark, but I felt he needed to go in the summer after getting outcoached yet again by Boston.

Specifically, Babcock is too rigid with his systems, "his way", and does mindboggling things like starting the 4th line after a commercial break because tHe 4tH LiNe aLwAyS tAkEs tHe dZ FaCeOfFs.

He plays his best players far less than anyone else in the league and overplays his grinders.

He sits Holl and Leivo for months at a time, both serviceable NHLers who are now thriving with us or someone else, who may have ruined their careers in the process.

He refuses to make necessary adjustments throughout the game, whether it's calling a timeout or making an appropriate challenge on a call.

Babcock hasn't done anything in the NHL for over a decade; these players were in peewee when he last won a cup.

Time for a new look, salvage the season, let Dubas put his man in before canning him.

If Dubas and his new coach can't produce results, then yeah, it's time for Dubas to go, but after like a year in which he's done mostly good things, firing him now would be wrong.
- gravyface

Dubas hasn't "done mostly good things"... the significant "things" he had to do... he did poorly. So the conclusion is to give him time to do more things poorly - replace the coach with who? another unproven NHL individual...

what could possibly go wrong?

All this Millennial vs. Boomer has a GenX like myself feeling left out.



You people are supposed to be inclusive
- Byfuglien Ate Me

"you people" singling yourselves out

Gull, Santo, Winsix, Billx, burn. Loved to insult and belittle anyone who questioned the Boy Blunder. Not hearing much from their camp these days.
- DrunkenCanuck

they are delayed... hard to get ripe Avocados this time of year... so making toast process is slowed.


I think they are sticking with the underlying numbers argument...


come to think of it... I wonder how the underlying numbers looked before and after Nylander returned to the line-up last year?

Enjoy the ride with your so called leader!!!

Just so many puzzling moves. Give the kids whatever money they want, let them sit out part of the season, or Marner and Matthews share an A, let them do what they want.

The kids don't respect Dubas, they walk all over him. Matthews wouldn't even tell the management about his indiscretions.

Say what you wany about Lou, but he would've (frank)ed someone up by now
- walshyleafsfan

They probably think doing something differently is inherently better in itself. Who cares if the new guy’s idea has never been tested in real life NHL? What can go wrong in that big experiment in the biggest hockey market in the world with 50 years of disappointment?

How dare someone question a 32 years old guy with sassy glasses?

Ultimately, yes it’s Shanny’s fault. He’s the one who decided to hire Dubas.

So sad, he started with his Shanny plan so brilliantly. Then he screws it up by hiring a wrong guy to see it through.
- gamerdoc

This skill-first roster was well under development before Dubas took over. The entire organization bought into it, as have many other teams around the league.

Do we really think having Marleau, Zaitsev, Hainsey, Kadri, Brown back would have us at the top of the league?

This skill-first roster was well under development before Dubas took over. The entire organization bought into it, as have many other teams around the league.

Do we really think having Marleau, Zaitsev, Hainsey, Kadri, Brown back would have us at the top of the league?
- gravyface

yes
Lou > Dubas
and it's not even close

Dubas hasn't "done mostly good things"... the significant "things" he had to do... he did poorly. So the conclusion is to give him time to do more things poorly - replace the coach with who? another unproven NHL individual...

what could possibly go wrong?
- BorjeFan4Ever

The sad thing is, the damage he has done, can’t be undone easily. That albatross of Marner contract is not going anywhere, and Kadri is gone. And the 1st round to pick he gave away so that he could sign AM and MM isn’t coming back either.

Mostly good things? Like destroying the most promising team in NHL? Lol.

You think the Fire Babcock crew contribute anything? The Dubas crew get so pissy because they couldn't see any of this coming. There are posters on this thread who saw something coming (maybe not as drastic). They get hounded by the regulars as "so called fans", laughy emoji's, called idiots, called all sorts of poop.

Well those idiots saw it coming and had some valid opinions. The rest of us calling them names and such were in fact totally wrong. Now it's too late. We all have to act pissy and be a complete moron to anyone who doesn't blame Babcock.

Well (frank)ing awesome Garnie. Glad we're at this point.
- walshyleafsfan

This is very true
Ive been saying the for a while now this team has trended badly since jan.
But "its a different team", "last year doesnt matter", "they are too good".

Well maybe they arent

yes
Lou > Dubas
and it's not even close
- MaximusAurelius

I’ll drink to that!!!

gen x during this whole boomer vs millennial/gen z thing


- daeth

sums it up nicely

Dubas hasn't "done mostly good things"... the significant "things" he had to do... he did poorly. So the conclusion is to give him time to do more things poorly - replace the coach with who? another unproven NHL individual...

what could possibly go wrong?
- BorjeFan4Ever

A lot could go wrong, but terminating the GM after a year at the helm because we overpaid for Marner and let Nylander sit too long? Again, having Hainsey, Zaitsev, Brown and Kadri back would've produced completely different results, is that what you're saying?

Coach goes first, then Dubas.

This isn't a millennial thing (I'm probably older than you are), but ironically, this is actually a traditional move that's produced results before... like the Bruins, who somehow got way better when they fired Julien and promoted Cassidy.

You think the Fire Babcock crew contribute anything? The Dubas crew get so pissy because they couldn't see any of this coming. There are posters on this thread who saw something coming (maybe not as drastic). They get hounded by the regulars as "so called fans", laughy emoji's, called idiots, called all sorts of poop.

Well those idiots saw it coming and had some valid opinions. The rest of us calling them names and such were in fact totally wrong. Now it's too late. We all have to act pissy and be a complete moron to anyone who doesn't blame Babcock.

Well (frank)ing awesome Garnie. Glad we're at this point.
- walshyleafsfan

HELLO!

The sad thing is, the damage he has done, can’t be undone easily. That albatross of Marner contract is not going anywhere, and Kadri is gone. And the 1st round to pick he gave away so that he could sign AM and MM isn’t coming back either.

Mostly good things? Like destroying the most promising team in NHL? Lol.
- gamerdoc

Marner is a top10 player in the NHL.
No problem there or with his contract.

The issues are:
- no backup goalie
- no d-men on the team that can defend
- too many soft wingers (that only think about patting their stats)
- an in potential elite C that is invisible most of the time, and does not want to play physical and has an attitude
- a GM that does not want to listen to his coach, but instead thinks he can change the way Stanley Cups are won

"you people" singling yourselves out
- BorjeFan4Ever

Am I allowed to single myself out anymore?! So confused