No different as if there was a trade for Jarry/Barrie. It would obviously be a poor decision to acquire anything without resigning. I’m also not advocating trading Pettersson unless that was what it took to get a deal for muzzin. If it was Jarry and schultz for muzzin, as was mentioned for Barrie that just creates a logjam at left and someone playing on their offside so someone in the left has to go and jj ain’t getting it done.

All I’m trying to get at is I’d like to get muzzin over Barrie and I wouldn’t make what I want to happen or RW without a Resigning.
- 10inchTerror

Ok, I think I understand what you're saying better, thought you meant sign Muzzin in the off-season and move Pettersson or Schultz in a separate trade.

I agree with you I wouldn't trade Jarry just to upgrade Schultz to Barrie.

I also agree with Boyd I don't think I'd want to move a younger cheaper defenseman in Pettersson for Muzzin. I will agree he'd make a great partner for Schultz though and makes more sense than Barrie.

It’s much different than trading Jarry for Barrie lol Pens still have DeSmith locked up for 2 more years to backup Murray if Jarry is traded. If Muzzin walks, then JJ becomes his replacement and... woof.
- j.boyd919

Well no it isn’t that different. Jarry and schultz for Barrie and Barrie walks then what? Marino, Riko, Ruhw? DeSmith or Jarry and Pettersson for muzzin and muzzin walks. Either way you’re missing 1/2 your second line which is no bueno regardless of what side it’s on. Jj being elevated would probably be a bit worse but it’s still not great. Id hope in any trade scenario either of my preference or RW’s that it’s not for a rental. Same scenario as RW just I went with the left side. If there was a way to offload jj instead of Pettersson that would be the way to go but highly unlikely or not worth the cost.

Throughout his career, Schultz has averaged .46 points per game (~38 for 82 game season). Going on last season, that's equal or greater than Shayne Goesth(whatever), TJ Brodie, Aaron Ekblad, and Heiskanen. It's just below Dougie Hamilton, Darnell Nurse, and Dan Ellis. I'm not saying that he's as good as them, but he'd probably average more if he were playing first pairing and PP1 minutes all the time, instead of just when Letang is injured. His consistent production is something that shouldn't be ignored. His partners haven't been as good as a Dumoulin would do in making him look good/covering his mistakes, and the only reason Dumo and him aren't the top pairing with Letang being out is to spread out the talent on the back end (how it looks to me).

Which is probably the best thing about him; he has helped the team a lot when Letang has gone down, which has been frequently. I think his confidence is streaky, and he'll catch a stride at some point over the season. You know he's capable of playing on a 2nd pairing through two Cups so the only good reason I can see to move him is (as some here have pointed out) cap compliance.

Also, the most Letang has gotten since Schultz got 51 points is 42 in a season. If you're not going to factor in that Schultz has had some injury issues, then the same logic would suggest that he's more productive than Letang. I just hope they find a way to keep him.
- pens_4ever

Schultz has topped 38 points once his whole career. He's only topped 30 three times. Injuries play a big role, but it's not like you can count on him to score 30, and is 30 points even worth a big contract if you're poor defensively and about to enter your 30s? Maybe circle back to him if he gets squeezed which may happen.

Schultz has topped 38 points once his whole career. He's only topped 30 three times. Injuries play a big role, but it's not like you can count on him to score 30, and is 30 points even worth a big contract if you're poor defensively and about to enter your 30s? Maybe circle back to him if he gets squeezed which may happen.
- Tojo.

Schultz could be Jake Gardiner 2.0

Sits as an FA for months wanting 7 million and before you know it he's begging for 5

Would you guys do Kapanen for Jarry and a pick? With the thought Bjugstad and potentially Galchenyuk get moved.

So... apparently the Pens are actually the 2nd best team in the NHL this year.



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Yeah, that list is pretty good. I mean they have the Blackhawks as the 11th best team in the NHL. Pretty accurate.

Yeah, that list is pretty good. I mean they have the Blackhawks as the 11th best team in the NHL. Pretty accurate.
- Rinosaur

It’s power rankings. a what have you done lately list and I think the Blackhawks put up like 11 goals over the weekend

gudbranson is a piece of poop.

gudbranson is a piece of poop.
- Blackstrom2

You’re jealous of the stache

You’re jealous of the stache
- Rinosaur

Lol

It’s power rankings. a what have you done lately list and I think the Blackhawks put up like 11 goals over the weekend
- j.boyd919

Its a bit different though as it uses stats and not opinions.

Its a bit different though as it uses stats and not opinions.
- MattStrat

Dom's model at the Athletic currently has the Pens at 3rd best odds to win the Cup behind Tampa and Boston (who are well out in front).

Dom's model at the Athletic currently has the Pens at 3rd best odds to win the Cup behind Tampa and Boston (who are well out in front).
- Tojo.

All 3 in the East...lucky West.

I would imagine the Caps are pretty high up on Dom's model too?

In that rankings shared here 7 of the top 10 are East teams.

Yeah, that list is pretty good. I mean they have the Blackhawks as the 11th best team in the NHL. Pretty accurate.
- Rinosaur

This is a compilation of underlying numbers being used to compute the rankings. Actual numbers and stats. Its very possible for teams to have good underlying numbers but it not show in the standings, especially after only 20ish games.

The other alternative to power rankings is the opinion(s) approach which always gets bashed.

EDIT: whats driving the Hawks up to 11th is a very good SV% and Shooting%....so I guess we have to decide how much stock we put in stuff like that

All 3 in the East...lucky West.

I would imagine the Caps are pretty high up on Dom's model too?

In that rankings shared here 7 of the top 10 are East teams.
- MattStrat

15%- Tampa
13%- Boston
8%- Pittsburgh
7%- Washington
6%- Carolina, Nashville, Colorado, Vegas
5%- Dallas, St. Louis

That's your top 10. His model favors offensive talent over say a team like NYI at 3%.

Toronto at 4% missed the cut after being second going into the year.

It’s power rankings. a what have you done lately list and I think the Blackhawks put up like 11 goals over the weekend
- j.boyd919

I thought it was cumulative.

This is a compilation of underlying numbers being used to compute the rankings. Actual numbers and stats. Its very possible for teams to have good underlying numbers but it not show in the standings, especially after only 20ish games.

The other alternative to power rankings is the opinion(s) approach which always gets bashed.

EDIT: whats driving the Hawks up to 11th is a very good SV% and Shooting%....so I guess we have to decide how much stock we put in stuff like that
- MattStrat

I'm not a balls to the wall advanced stats guy. I do put a good amount stock into them, but there's a balance between that and good old eye test (what Grinder puts too much stock in). That being said, if a power ranking has a bottom feeder in the top 1/3 of the NHL I'm gonna call bullpoop. I get what jboyd pointed out, but I still think it's bullpoop to snapshot a couple of games to put together a list of the full NHL power ranks.

15%- Tampa
13%- Boston
8%- Pittsburgh
7%- Washington
6%- Carolina, Nashville, Colorado, Vegas
5%- Dallas, St. Louis

That's your top 10. His model favors offensive talent over say a team like NYI at 3%.

Toronto at 4% missed the cut after being second going into the year.
- Tojo.

Thanks for this.

Where are the Hawks located on this list?

I'm not a ball to the wall advanced stats guy. I do put a good amount stock, but there's a balance between that and good old eye test (what Grinder puts too much stock in). That being said, if a power ranking has a bottom feeder in the top 1/3 of the NHL I'm gonna call bullpoop. I get what jboyd pointed out, but I still think it's bullpoop to snapshot a couple of games to put together a list of the full NHL power ranks.
- Rinosaur

I mostly agree because of how early it is and like I said its up to us how much stock we put in this stuff. I do think this power ranking (and Dom's) carry much more weight though because they are actually using data. The NHL.com, ESPN and TSN power rankings are a joke. Basically they look at records and injuries haha.

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I mostly agree because of how early it is and like I said its up to us how much stock we put in this stuff. I do think thi (and Dom's) carry much more weight though because they are actually using data. The NHL.com, ESPN and TSN power rankings are a joke. Basically they look at records and injuries haha.
- MattStrat

I do enjoy looking at Dom's stuff. Dude puts together really useful stuff.

Totally random and non-Pens related, but look at the west...

I had no idea Nashville fell from grace so fast. I wonder which West team is going to panic first and make a loony trade. I'm going put my money on either Calgary or Nashville.

I'd say MIN, but I don't think they're going to panic. I think they're riding it out and will let teams come to them this year before reevaluating in the off-season.

Totally random and non-Pens related, but look at the west...

I had no idea Nashville fell from grace so fast. I wonder which West team is going to panic first and make a loony trade. I'm going put my money on either Calgary or Nashville.

I'd say MIN, but I don't think they're going to panic. I think they're riding it out and will let teams come to them this year before reevaluating in the off-season.
- Rinosaur

There has already been one article from Calgary on the Athletic about trading Gaudreau. Granlund is really under producing for Nashville. The team that has to be on the top of a trade list is San Jose though. All that talent and they can't get anything going.

There has already been one article from Calgary on the Athletic about trading Gaudreau. Granlund is really under producing for Nashville. The team that has to be on the top of a trade list is San Jose though. All that talent and they can't get anything going.
- burgh4life87

There is ZERO way CGY is trading Gaudreau. They'd be absolutely insane. Gaudreau is one of the best young offensive forwards in the game and making under $7M for two more years after this season.

The only name I've heard out of CGY is Frolik and Brodie, but obviously the Brodie situation has changed drastically.