Better be Marner before Mathews.
- bobbyisno1

Exactly. If they were forced to trade Matthews or Marner... Trade Marner..

This was suppose to be their bonding moment.
- Fakepartofme

Well they better start bonding with Babcock.

If by 7.5 you mean 6.9 then yes, you are right..
- PatC80

he got 7.5M.

this proves out why dufus sucks. nylander took 100% of the benefit of the balloon caphit of ~$10.4m in the first year of his deal.

the leafs got 0% of that benefit, only a long-term caphit that appears about ~$600k more than it should be, instead the $1.25M more it actually is.

No, you are wrong.
7.5 average salary, 6.9 cap hit due to the 10.4 he got in year 1
- bobbyisno1

As a fan, I only care about cap hits. Not actual salary.. Leafs can afford to pay him whatever they want.. As long as his cap hit is under, I'm happy.

Nylander's cap hit is 6.9M which is pretty reasonable.

Matthews salary this year is 15.9M, all I'm concerned about is the 11.634M cap hit.

yeah, but you can't run two 4th lines, a couple ahl'ers on defense and an ahl backup.

willy - $1.25M overpaid.
matthews - $1.25M overpaid
marner - $2.5M overpaid

$5M allows you to keep brown, add a backup and add a depth dman.

it was way to early to have a cap casualty in brown - we haven't won anything for (frank)'s sake!!!
- Tumbleweed

I dont believe willie is overpaid by 1.25m. At the time of the deal, it was about 500g's.
Matthews about 1m overpaid for his term and what he's accomplished.
MArner - about 1.5 overpaid for his term and what he's accomplished.
IMO.

Exactly. If they were forced to trade Matthews or Marner... Trade Marner..
- PatC80

Agreed.
Gotta keep the center.

As a fan, I only care about cap hits. Not actual salary.. Leafs can afford to pay him whatever they want.. As long as his cap hit is under, I'm happy.

Nylander's cap hit is 6.9M which is pretty reasonable.

Matthews salary this year is 15.9M, all I'm concerned about is the 11.634M cap hit.
- PatC80

point is, based on the mid-season signing, dufus should have have ended up with a caphit closer to $5.7M, not $6.9M.

But Nylander has a 7.5 million contract.
- bobbyisno1

6.9 cap hit.

As a fan, I only care about cap hits. Not actual salary.. Leafs can afford to pay him whatever they want.. As long as his cap hit is under, I'm happy.

Nylander's cap hit is 6.9M which is pretty reasonable.

Matthews salary this year is 15.9M, all I'm concerned about is the 11.634M cap hit.
- PatC80

Yes but his average salary is still 11.63, Just like Willies is 7.5 and i think that is 1 mill to much and if he was paid accordingly you would be less concerned with his cap hit.
Marner and Nylander raked the Leafs over the coals.
I'd trade them both.

point is, based on the mid-season signing, dufus should have have ended up with a caphit closer to $5.7M, not $6.9M.
- Tumbleweed

that's fair..

I still think it was a good deal for both sides.. At the end of the day, Nylander and his 6.9M cap hit is not our biggest issue.

Yes but his average salary is still 11.63, Just like Willies is 7.5 and i think that is 1 mill to much and if he was paid accordingly you would be less concerned with his cap hit.
Marner and Nylander and only Marner raked the Leafs over the coals.
I'd trade him.
- bobbyisno1

fixed

No wins since marners injury.
Omg

I cant stand the tkachuks but dammit matthew is perfect for this team
Willie, lili and pick for m tkachuk.

Calgary still says no



Edit: or willie, barrie plus for tkachuk plus something
Calgary probably still says no

- Fakepartofme

C'mon now. ANY trade for Tkatchuk would START with Marner going the other way. And THAT might not even be enough (although, should be close). Tkatchuk is a stud!!! scores, grit, a leader. No way I part with him if I am Calgary!

As a fan, I only care about cap hits. Not actual salary.. Leafs can afford to pay him whatever they want.. As long as his cap hit is under, I'm happy.

Nylander's cap hit is 6.9M which is pretty reasonable.

Matthews salary this year is 15.9M, all I'm concerned about is the 11.634M cap hit.
- PatC80

you are right about this.
the only downside to that contract was that during the first year, it left the Leafs without any wiggle room to add just before trade deadline.
so basically Nylander's attitude (/Dubas ineptness to close a deal) meant that no real upgrade before deadline could be added (and of course Leafs lost in 1st round vs Bruins)

i mean, the only forwards that currently have +7.5M on their 1st rfa deal are draisalt, mcd, ratannen, marner, matthews, aho and eichel.

i don't think nylander is at the top of the class of the next group of forwards that can be named as comparable.

and my problem is regardless of what has happened since pasta and willy signed, willy didn't do enough to earn more than pasta prior to that.
- Tumbleweed

I'm not going into the math b/c we shouldn't need to ...but, when you use (as the agents do) the %ofcap in the first year of the contract ....then Willie comes in about the same as Pasta and Eberle and Hall and Nugent Hopkins and Gaudreau and Saad and Monohan and Keller.

It's a subjective debate. He had 2 really really good years leading up to the negotiation. Maybe a bridge would have made more sense but in terms of getting 6 years his cost was always going to be around this. And other teams were sniffing around ready to do it if the Leafs decided they didn't like it.

If you want to kick Dubas in the balls for anything ...it's that he should have seen the future (that Marner wouldve had a big year riding with JT, and Willie was going to have a good year with Matthews) and he should have done everything in his power to get these guys signed before their big years in year #3.

C'mon now. ANY trade for Tkatchuk would START with Marner going the other way. And THAT might not even be enough (although, should be close). Tkatchuk is a stud!!! scores, grit, a leader. No way I part with him if I am Calgary!
- hawk35

Out of all the wingers on this team I think only Kap, Mikalek and Hyman earn their money.

I'm not going into the math b/c we shouldn't need to ...but, when you use (as the agents do) the %ofcap in the first year of the contract ....then Willie comes in about the same as Pasta and Eberle and Hall and Nugent Hopkins and Gaudreau and Saad and Monohan and Keller.

It's a subjective debate. He had 2 really really good years leading up to the negotiation. Maybe a bridge would have made more sense but in terms of getting 6 years his cost was always going to be around this. And other teams were sniffing around ready to do it if the Leafs decided they didn't like it.

If you want to kick Dubas in the balls for anything ...it's that he should have seen the future (that Marner wouldve had a big year riding with JT, and Willie was going to have a good year with Matthews) and he should have done everything in his power to get these guys signed before their big years in year #3.
- The Law

alll had better years than nylander prior to signing. he should have ended up less than those guys.

that's fair..

I still think it was a good deal for both sides.. At the end of the day, Nylander and his 6.9M cap hit is not our biggest issue.
- PatC80

Yeah, a $7~ million cap hit for a guy putting up 60+ points per year isn't unreasonable.


Ultimately just about every player is producing at around the pace you'd expect for their cap hit, it's just that there's almost no buy-in at all defensively because the guys have tuned out the coach.

He's asking them to play in a manner that doesn't fit the roster they have, and they know it.

I'm not going into the math b/c we shouldn't need to ...but, when you use (as the agents do) the %ofcap in the first year of the contract ....then Willie comes in about the same as Pasta and Eberle and Hall and Nugent Hopkins and Gaudreau and Saad and Monohan and Keller.

It's a subjective debate. He had 2 really really good years leading up to the negotiation. Maybe a bridge would have made more sense but in terms of getting 6 years his cost was always going to be around this. And other teams were sniffing around ready to do it if the Leafs decided they didn't like it.

If you want to kick Dubas in the balls for anything ...it's that he should have seen the future (that Marner wouldve had a big year riding with JT, and Willie was going to have a good year with Matthews) and he should have done everything in his power to get these guys signed before their big years in year #3.
- The Law

No other teams were sniffing around otherwise it would have gotten done well before December.

Out of all the wingers on this team I think only Kap, Mikalek and Hyman earn their money.
- bobbyisno1

well Mikheyev makes 900k
also he has looked pretty awful the last few weeks, just like the rest.

but you can say ..wow did Marner and Nylander kill it on the ELC. and the Leafs got a huge ROI

I dont believe willie is overpaid by 1.25m. At the time of the deal, it was about 500g's.
Matthews about 1m overpaid for his term and what he's accomplished.
MArner - about 1.5 overpaid for his term and what he's accomplished.
IMO.
- Fakepartofme

This would cover Connor Brown's salary

just sayin

that's fair..

I still think it was a good deal for both sides.. At the end of the day, Nylander and his 6.9M cap hit is not our biggest issue.
- PatC80

no, but you have a group of guys collecting bonus checks in 1 year that are more than what many guys in the room will make in a career.

if the highly paid guys are making mistakes / being lazy / taking bad penalties that costs games, morale in the room goes downhill real fast.

add in a dman that is female doging about wanting pp time to pump his #'s up for his next deal, and it's a great recipe for success.

Yeah, a $7~ million cap hit for a guy putting up 60+ points per year isn't unreasonable.


Ultimately just about every player is producing at around the pace you'd expect for their cap hit, it's just that there's almost no buy-in at all defensively because the guys have tuned out the coach.

He's asking them to play in a manner that doesn't fit the roster they have, and they know it.
- BINGO!

That may be true, but is playing pond hockey a way to win the Stanley Cup?

no, but you have a group of guys collecting bonus checks in 1 year that are more than what many guys in the room will make in a career.

if the highly paid guys are making mistakes / being lazy / taking bad penalties that costs games, moral in the room goes downhill real fast.
- Tumbleweed

If morale is going downhill fast, we should be concerned.

If morals are going downhill fast, they will all be out by Christmas with VD.

Except Marner - he's never going to get laid. Even with Willie as his wingman.

This would cover Connor Brown's salary

just sayin
- jimi james

Connor Brown (frank)ing sucks.

connor brown has always sucked.

He has the benefit of being an actual NHL player on a roster made entirely of AHL guys. That's it.

Connor Brown ain't fixing anything on the Leafs.

This would cover Connor Brown's salary

just sayin
- jimi james

The same Connor Brown we paid 2.1 million to score 8 goals last year? Wow, huge miss there...