Putting him with Rielly doesn't make Holl all of a sudden a top line D-man.
He's better defensively than Barrie and Ceci for sure - but still a bottom pairing D-man.
Dubas franked up this team so badly - it's almost comical.

I guess at least Leafs are leading the league in diversity hires - so all is ok

(we might get a participation medal!! )
- MaximusAurelius

It's 20 games in and apparently this team is (frank)ed up by Dubas to the point it needs blowing up and to go "scorched earth" again?

Honestly, the team isn't doing well and it's definitely not performing up to snuff but doesn't make it that bad. They could make a single move and everything could be okay again.

Real story:

2018 offseason Marner: I love the Leafs, ever since I was a kid.. I dreamed about playing for them for my entire career; I'll sign a 8y deal with an AAV of 8-8.5 per year.

2018 offseason Dubas: frank that - I'm too busy with Melander, and you're not worth 8-8.5mln AAV anyways!

2019 offseason Marner: After my 94point season and being in top3 of primary assists in the league, while being consistently one of the best players on this team - and taking into account that you just gifted teammate Matthews (that guy that never got close to me pointwase) the most player friendly contract in the league..
Frank you Kyle, gimme my money!
- MaximusAurelius

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.. Maybe wish harder?

Not according to Ek... Andersen is a backup.
- PatC80

Ek doesn't know goalies. He's a Philly fan. Place where goalies go to die.

I have only watched one Malries game and it was yesterdays game....but Engval is an NHL player.

He has the speed and the shot for it.
- Santo_44

He's played well all season.

Putting him with Rielly doesn't make Holl all of a sudden a top line D-man.
He's better defensively than Barrie and Ceci for sure - but still a bottom pairing D-man.
Dubas franked up this team so badly - it's almost comical.

I guess at least Leafs are leading the league in diversity hires - so all is ok

(we might get a participation medal!! )
- MaximusAurelius

Still upset that Dubas hired a couple of women, I see.

Real story:

2018 offseason Marner: I love the Leafs, ever since I was a kid.. I dreamed about playing for them for my entire career; I'll sign a 8y deal with an AAV of 8-8.5 per year.

2018 offseason Dubas: frank that - I'm too busy with Melander, and you're not worth 8-8.5mln AAV anyways!

2019 offseason Marner: After my 94point season and being in top3 of primary assists in the league, while being consistently one of the best players on this team - and taking into account that you just gifted teammate Matthews (that guy that never got close to me pointwase) the most player friendly contract in the league..
Frank you Kyle, gimme my money!
- MaximusAurelius

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Does anyone think that getting players on cheap one-year "show me" type deals are fu3king with the chemistry.

I notice Petan is always taking stupid shots, fancy spinoramas as though he is constantly trying out for another team.

It wouldn't be a stretch to think some of these one year dudes are worried about the name on the back before the name on the front.

Not that it is the only issue but it could be one.
- underhill14

There's no doubt that you're going to run into that. Especially with players in Petan's position. These are guys with "the skill to make it - if they can just get a chance somewhere".

I've been thoroughly unimpressed with Petan, especially considering that he is capable of more than selfish non-contributory play. If no one else will, his agent should inform him that showing his individual skills that spite the team aren't going to help.

Again, though, we can get mad a guy here and there. Ceci sucks. Petan is selfish. Spezza takes dumb penalties. Timashov takes too many shifts off. On and on . . . before you realize that you accidentally just named everyone on the team.

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.. Maybe wish harder?
- PatC80

Uhhh I think that looks like the dumbest story I've ever read.

Pretty sure Marner's camp wasn't negotiating in 2018 off season. Also pretty sure Matthews was injured for 20ish games so doubt he would catch up to Marner in points.

It's 20 games in and apparently this team is (frank)ed up by Dubas to the point it needs blowing up and to go "scorched earth" again?

Honestly, the team isn't doing well and it's definitely not performing up to snuff but doesn't make it that bad. They could make a single move and everything could be okay again.
- Aaron_85

I get the impression he's far to dramatic to see the reality of what you're suggesting.

Seems to be the type that is just to hung up on the attention that comes with his UG schtick of against the grain talking points and subsequent beating to death of them.

Not worth the time.

Still upset that Dubas hired a couple of women, I see.
- Steven_Seagull

No, his real beef is with Dubas for not signing Marner earlier, even though Marner said he wanted to play out the season before signing a contract.

Does anyone think that getting players on cheap one-year "show me" type deals are fu3king with the chemistry.

I notice Petan is always taking stupid shots, fancy spinoramas as though he is constantly trying out for another team.

It wouldn't be a stretch to think some of these one year dudes are worried about the name on the back before the name on the front.

Not that it is the only issue but it could be one.
- underhill14

Yes. Continuity is a good thing to garner chemistry on the ice and as teammates off the ice. IMO better to move out one big contract then 5,6,7 smaller ones and have to bring inso many new guys.

No, his real beef is with Dubas for not signing Marner earlier, even though Marner said he wanted to play out the season before signing a contract.
- PatC80

He hated Dubas before that, though.

Uhhh I think that looks like the dumbest story I've ever read.

Pretty sure Marner's camp wasn't negotiating in 2018 off season. Also pretty sure Matthews was injured for 20ish games so doubt he would catch up to Marner in points.
- Aaron_85

Exactly. Marner's agent even said he wanted to wait until after the season.

Also, it's Dubas' fault that Marner's agent is Darren Ferris.

There's no doubt that you're going to run into that. Especially with players in Petan's position. These are guys with "the skill to make it - if they can just get a chance somewhere".

I've been thoroughly unimpressed with Petan, especially considering that he is capable of more than selfish non-contributory play. If no one else will, his agent should inform him that showing his individual skills that spite the team aren't going to help.

Again, though, we can get mad a guy here and there. Ceci sucks. Petan is selfish. Spezza takes dumb penalties. Timashov takes too many shifts off. On and on . . . before you realize that you accidentally just named everyone on the team.
- Monkeypunk

Those guys are role players and yes you want them to perform well but I think fans in general are out to lunch expecting them all to outperform their contract every game and all season.

It's simply the core of the team that needs to be better. You got (frank)ing paid, so act like it.

Side note, I do like Mckenzie discussing Spezza coming back in after Kerfoot went down and how people were saying he needs to step up. Yeah....the guy they were going to waive and wasn't good enough for a regular shift on the 4th line is the one "to step up" and lead the team. Oh okay....media and any fan who said this are waaaay out to lunch.

No matter how many times you say it, it doesn't make it true.. Maybe wish harder?
- PatC80

Apparently it was written in the Athletic somewhere. Here's the problem with the timeline:

The Leafs signed John Tavares on July 1st, which is a fact. It has also been document that pretty much right after that Marner's agent said, "Let's see how the season plays out.". Per the CBA the Leafs couldn't sign Marner until July 1st, so where was this imaginary 8x$8.5 contract going to happen?

I get the impression he's far to dramatic to see the reality of what you're suggesting.

Seems to be the type that is just to hung up on the attention that comes with his UG schtick of against the grain talking points and subsequent beating to death of them.

Not worth the time.
- joel878

Yeah, you're probably right.

I'm sure it's been brought up already but Leafs recalled Engvall

He hated Dubas before that, though.
- Steven_Seagull

That's true... If only we could have convinced Poile to quit the Preds.. There is no doubt, he would have jumped at the chance to come here.

Uhhh I think that looks like the dumbest story I've ever read.

Pretty sure Marner's camp wasn't negotiating in 2018 off season. Also pretty sure Matthews was injured for 20ish games so doubt he would catch up to Marner in points.
- Aaron_85

Marner camp was very willing to negotiate a deal before the 2018-2019 season started. the link below talks about the 72mln/8y deal ask by Marner's camp.
Which obviously could have negotiated down a bit. I'm just pulling up 1 link, but his agent was in a podcast (thefourthperiod) as well commenting that they were open to sign a contract extention with Leafs - but only before start of training camp 2018.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...eason-marner-maple-leafs/

Apparently it was written in the Athletic somewhere. Here's the problem with the timeline:

The Leafs signed John Tavares on July 1st, which is a fact. It has also been document that pretty much right after that Marner's agent said, "Let's see how the season plays out.". Per the CBA the Leafs couldn't sign Marner until July 1st, so where was this imaginary 8x$8.5 contract going to happen?
- Monkeypunk

It only existed in Max's mind..

Exactly. Marner's agent even said he wanted to wait until after the season.

Also, it's Dubas' fault that Marner's agent is Darren Ferris.
- PatC80

The agent played it right.

I honestly think Dubas should have tried like a 6 x 9.5 after that year and maybe he did and we just don't know about it? Like Dubas was pretty quiet that off season and this off season there were a lot more leaks and speaking out about negotiating. Dubas did learn to use the media to his advantage.

Apparently it was written in the Athletic somewhere. Here's the problem with the timeline:

The Leafs signed John Tavares on July 1st, which is a fact. It has also been document that pretty much right after that Marner's agent said, "Let's see how the season plays out.". Per the CBA the Leafs couldn't sign Marner until July 1st, so where was this imaginary 8x$8.5 contract going to happen?
- Monkeypunk

between 1st of July and approx 15th of Sept 2018 (or whenever the training camp would have started that year).

That's true... If only we could have convinced Poile to quit the Preds.. There is no doubt, he would have jumped at the chance to come here.
- PatC80

Poile would’ve made Fredorov his assistant, and named Jagr as head coach. What the (frank) was Shanny thinking?

I am so for making it equal. I am a frenchie, but called alberta, bc , winnipeg and Qc my home. This country has so much potential, and if we strip the hate, there is so much in common. We have alot to be proud of across this country. Short sighted, imbecile politicians prey on simple fearful people. Unfortunate, simple people make up the majority of this country. its disgusting how divisive politics make the avg person become. Some of these politicians are so simple and far from intellectuals, its sad who we have to chose from. Singh i thought was great, but still missing the point i think. You can be a garbage person, but be a real intellectual with great ideas. Scheer for example, an earls waiter.. well hes qualified for serving tables and not much more.
- munky123

Quebec has received over 200 billion. Or over 50% of 'equalization' money. Next closest is Man, NB and NS at close to 50 billion. Alberta has received less than 100 million and is still paying out over 12 billion while running a deficit and Quebec is still receiving over 10 billion while running a surplus. It's a fraud.

Marner camp was very willing to negotiate a deal before the 2018-2019 season started. the link below talks about the 72mln/8y deal ask by Marner's camp.
Which obviously could have negotiated down a bit. I'm just pulling up 1 link, but his agent was in a podcast (thefourthperiod) as well commenting that they were open to sign a contract extention with Leafs - but only before start of training camp 2018.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...eason-marner-maple-leafs/
- MaximusAurelius

Next time you post a link, please read the article;


This excerpt is in your link;

Marner’s agent, Darren Ferris, has said he does not plan to negotiate a new contract for his client with Maple Leafs brass until after the season, which could make things more difficult for the team from a cap management perspective — especially if Marner continues producing at this torrid pace.