Poile would’ve made Fredorov his assistant, and named Jagr as head coach. What the (frank) was Shanny thinking?
- Steven_Seagull

Franking Shanny

No, his real beef is with Dubas for not signing Marner earlier, even though Marner said he wanted to play out the season before signing a contract.
- PatC80

And that he was 100% gonna be the last of the "big 3" to sign.

And that he was 100% gonna be the last of the "big 3" to sign.
- GreatGigInTheSky

that's what his agent said, right?

Marner camp was very willing to negotiate a deal before the 2018-2019 season started. the link below talks about the 72mln/8y deal ask by Marner's camp.
Which obviously could have negotiated down a bit. I'm just pulling up 1 link, but his agent was in a podcast (thefourthperiod) as well commenting that they were open to sign a contract extention with Leafs - but only before start of training camp 2018.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...eason-marner-maple-leafs/
- MaximusAurelius

1. That is only from Kypereos who was fired

2. Here's a good quote "Marner’s agent, Darren Ferris, has said he does not plan to negotiate a new contract for his client with Maple Leafs brass until after the season, which could make things more difficult for the team from a cap management perspective — especially if Marner continues producing at this torrid pace.

“Best case scenario for the Leafs if they want to still talk around a $9 million AAV, it would have to be on a much shorter term than the maximum amount at eight years,” Kypreos added..."

The agent knew Marner ended the season not on the best note so decided to wait until after following year.

3. Kyper was saying it would be on a much shorter term than 8 years and likely the Marner camp was suggesting a real short term but high dollar bridge deal. I doubt the leafs were interested in that.

1. That is only from Kypereos who was fired

2. Here's a good quote "Marner’s agent, Darren Ferris, has said he does not plan to negotiate a new contract for his client with Maple Leafs brass until after the season, which could make things more difficult for the team from a cap management perspective — especially if Marner continues producing at this torrid pace.

“Best case scenario for the Leafs if they want to still talk around a $9 million AAV, it would have to be on a much shorter term than the maximum amount at eight years,” Kypreos added..."

The agent knew Marner ended the season not on the best note so decided to wait until after following year.

3. Kyper was saying it would be on a much shorter term than 8 years and likely the Marner camp was suggesting a real short term but high dollar bridge deal. I doubt the leafs were interested in that.
- Aaron_85

the 8 yr/$72 was merely speculation.. The article even goes on to say that his agent wanted to wait it out..

the 8 yr/$72 was merely speculation.. The article even goes on to say that his agent wanted to wait it out..
- PatC80

So you’re saying that Max, who frequently makes poop up, made poop up?

that's what his agent said, right?
- PatC80

Yup

Next time you post a link, please read the article;


This excerpt is in your link;

Marner’s agent, Darren Ferris, has said he does not plan to negotiate a new contract for his client with Maple Leafs brass until after the season, which could make things more difficult for the team from a cap management perspective — especially if Marner continues producing at this torrid pace.
- PatC80

you have comprehensive reading skills:

i'll show you the timeline:

1. Marner camp willling to discuss an 8 year deal with 9mln AAV between 1st of July and Sept 2018 (but before start training camp)
2. Dubas lowballs them
3. Marner then says: we'll wait until the end of the season

Marner camp was very willing to negotiate a deal before the 2018-2019 season started. the link below talks about the 72mln/8y deal ask by Marner's camp.
Which obviously could have negotiated down a bit. I'm just pulling up 1 link, but his agent was in a podcast (thefourthperiod) as well commenting that they were open to sign a contract extention with Leafs - but only before start of training camp 2018.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...eason-marner-maple-leafs/
- MaximusAurelius

It doesnt actually mention the term..just a 72 mil number.
Also, that is speculation on Kypreos part.

Many people talking, suggesting maybe the best chance to sign him on a long-term deal, Ron, would have been in the summer,” Nick Kypreos told Ron MacLean Saturday during the Headlines segment of Hockey Night in Canada. “The discussion point was around $72 million prior to the season and my understanding is it was too rich for the Toronto Maple Leafs.”

They all got overpaid. If your Marner you say hey, 60 points is 6.9, then 94 points is 11. Percentage wise it makes sense.

Matthews deal was just way too easy for him. Didn't even get more than 5 years.

I said in the summer to fix the cap they may have to go nuclear because hey signed JT, by trading Matthews for a king's ransom and rolling JT Kadri as their 1-2. I obviously see the reasons why not do that, but looking at it now, If they had that set up with a true number 1 d that plays 28 mins a game it would sure give the team a different look.

It doesnt actually mention the term..just a 72 mil number.
Also, that is speculation on Kypreos part.




- senstroll

“Many people talking”

Is Kyper actually Trump?

you have comprehensive reading skills:

i'll show you the timeline:

1. Marner camp willling to discuss an 8 year deal with 9mln AAV between 1st of July and Sept 2018 (but before start training camp)
2. Dubas lowballs them
3. Marner then says: we'll wait until the end of the season
- MaximusAurelius

Where did you see this in the article?

They all got overpaid. If your Marner you say hey, 60 points is 6.9, then 94 points is 11. Percentage wise it makes sense.

Matthews deal was just way too easy for him. Didn't even get more than 5 years.

I said in the summer to fix the cap they may have to go nuclear because hey signed JT, by trading Matthews for a king's ransom and rolling JT Kadri as their 1-2. I obviously see the reasons why not do that, but looking at it now, If they had that set up with a true number 1 d that plays 28 mins a game it would sure give the team a different look.
- aminnes

No to trading Matthews. Unless the Leafs draft Byfield...

Marner camp was very willing to negotiate a deal before the 2018-2019 season started. the link below talks about the 72mln/8y deal ask by Marner's camp.
Which obviously could have negotiated down a bit. I'm just pulling up 1 link, but his agent was in a podcast (thefourthperiod) as well commenting that they were open to sign a contract extention with Leafs - but only before start of training camp 2018.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/...eason-marner-maple-leafs/
- MaximusAurelius

You do realize that what you're suggesting would have entailed giving a player with 22 goals and 69 points as a career high... A max term deal for 9 million per season, right? Hindsight is a beautiful thing when you're super ignorant.

Because before this goes any further, I'm assuming you're exactly the kind of person that's wrecking dubas for giving Willie almost 7 mil on a 6 year deal with a similar resume...

So basically your argument is that dubas is a career (frank) up who overpaid Willie. But now that you have hindsight, dubas is also an idiot for not giving Marner an extra 2 years and extra 2 million per at the exact same point?

the 8 yr/$72 was merely speculation.. The article even goes on to say that his agent wanted to wait it out..
- PatC80

Agreed. Kyper sucked.

So you’re saying that Max, who frequently makes poop up, made poop up?
- Steven_Seagull

Yes.

Any further questions?

No to trading Matthews. Unless the Leafs draft Byfield...
- Steven_Seagull

In the summer it may have worked well, but now they can't. Unless they can get a number 1 d and a second line centre, which is doubtful.

https://www.ivoox.com/en/...os-mp3_rf_30450344_1.html

Ferris explains how Marner was willing to negotiate a deal with Leafs before training camp 2018.

ryan reaves goes 3-0 on tuesday, 3 tko's.
- Tumbleweed

and a couple of game suspension to go with the 3-0 cause he went 3 rounds.

Those guys are role players and yes you want them to perform well but I think fans in general are out to lunch expecting them all to outperform their contract every game and all season.

It's simply the core of the team that needs to be better. You got (frank)ing paid, so act like it.

Side note, I do like Mckenzie discussing Spezza coming back in after Kerfoot went down and how people were saying he needs to step up. Yeah....the guy they were going to waive and wasn't good enough for a regular shift on the 4th line is the one "to step up" and lead the team. Oh okay....media and any fan who said this are waaaay out to lunch.
- Aaron_85

The thing is that we're getting just fine value out of the 4th line players for what's expected of them. They, too, could be better. Most of our speed and offensive play last year stemmed from transitions from the back-end, and we are just doing such a poor job of it this year that it's affecting the capabilities of all 4 lines.

I have no problem with Mikheyev or Moore, they're above replacement level (Moore has been mediocre so far this year, considering how much he impressed with his enthusiasm last year). Ultimately, the back-end drives the bus for this team, and when they struggle, the top-6 should pick up the slack, and really they're not doing that.

It doesn't help that our special teams are absolutely murdering us, but the top two lines aren't doing enough. To be fair, Matthews-Johnsson-Nylander have had a positive contribution at 5v5, but it's just not enough when you look at the rest of the lines.

Yes.

Any further questions?
- PatC80

Yes, if a train is travelling East at 72 miles per hour and a train is travelling west at 83 miles per hour, how long will each train have been travelling before they pass each other?

They all got overpaid. If your Marner you say hey, 60 points is 6.9, then 94 points is 11. Percentage wise it makes sense.

Matthews deal was just way too easy for him. Didn't even get more than 5 years.

I said in the summer to fix the cap they may have to go nuclear because hey signed JT, by trading Matthews for a king's ransom and rolling JT Kadri as their 1-2. I obviously see the reasons why not do that, but looking at it now, If they had that set up with a true number 1 d that plays 28 mins a game it would sure give the team a different look.
- aminnes

I can agree with that, once they signed Tavares, you knew Matthews was going to get at least $11M..
Marner, however, was supposed to be the easy one.. The local kid who grew up a Leafs fan..

The Hawks can give him one of their defenders. How about Seabrook.

He's been a +5. That would be the second highest on the Leaf's team!
- RedRevenge

Full salary retained?

Yes, if a train is travelling East at 72 miles per hour and a train is travelling west at 83 miles per hour, how long will each train have been travelling before they pass each other?
- Aaron_85

Let's see.. Distance = rate x time.... So, I'm gonna say Carlton the Bear.... Final answer...

After the Ek blog and now reading back a few pages here, my brain need a refill - I'm gonna play some chess. Good evening good guys and id!ots