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jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Nov 18 @ 5:52 PM ET
I think there might be some here that were not so jazzed about Skinner re-signing.

And I’m less excited about Montour than I was last year.

- PrinceChill


Maybe Skinner’s cap hit,
but not actually keeping him
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 18 @ 5:58 PM ET
Skinner trade
Skinner re-signing
MoJo signing
Jokiharju trade
Montour trade
3 good drafts by all accounts

Those are all pretty much unarguable

- jdfitz77


10-7-3
After starting 8-1-1, when they caught teams off guard
It is virtually a one man team, well, 4 really, with 3 of them belonging to the previous GM.

He has made some good moves.
He also can't be absolved of the fact this is fully his roster...and it is failing...with the youngins who have infact either stalled in their development, or have regressed.

It ain't working anymore, period.
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Nov 18 @ 6:04 PM ET
10-7-3
After starting 8-1-1, when they caught teams off guard
It is virtually a one man team, well, 4 really, with 3 of them belonging to the previous GM.

He has made some good moves.
He also can't be absolved of the fact this is fully his roster...and it is failing...with the youngins who have infact either stalled in their development, or have regressed.

It ain't working anymore, period.

- IonSabres


Most of the team Botts is putting together isn’t even on the roster yet
Yes, there’s some patchwork that he’s doing to try & be competitive now, without sacrificing his long term goals

This isn’t that difficult to see
The roster this season is a fringe playoff contender,
not a Cup contender
If the hot start caused you to think otherwise,
that’s on you
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:05 PM ET
In Montours defense, how many games has he played? I’ll give him a pass for a few more.

McCabe has been disappointing.

- Gr8daygo


McCabe is playing about 8 minutes too much, and he 2 Pairs higher than he should. He should also be paired with a puck mover. It is on the Coach, but Pach has a point in terms of who else is going to play there with Dahlin slumping.
sbroads24
Buffalo Sabres
Location: We are in 30th place. It's 2017 , NY
Joined: 02.12.2012

Nov 18 @ 6:10 PM ET
Best case scenario

Mike Babcock gets fired after this season

Krueger is hired a a VP of hockey ops

Babcock coaches Sabres with sole mission to beat Toronto
IonSabres
Buffalo Sabres
Location: I said that months ago, keep up!, FL
Joined: 03.10.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:14 PM ET
Most of the team Botts is putting together isn’t even on the roster yet
Yes, there’s some patchwork that he’s doing to try & be competitive now, without sacrificing his long term goals

This isn’t that difficult to see
The roster this season is a fringe playoff contender,
not a Cup contender
If the hot start caused you to think otherwise,
that’s on you

- jdfitz77


What's hard to see is there games; being very boring, slow, devoid of talent.
That is squarely on him.

I believe it when I see it as far as playoffs go.
That sentiment was also expressed last season, and it was dead ass wrong.
This season, samething... those 1st 10 games count no doubt, but I project them in that 84 range, and that could be a reach if this roster doesn't change.

The hot start was fun...fast, aggressive, passes on-point.
Matched the excitement and fun of watching them last season's 10 games.
What is on Botts is him expressing official opinion that this group of forwards are good enough. That was not only dumb to say, but insulting. He lost alot of support fof me from that.
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:17 PM ET
i just dont even want to think about the sabres anymore i just get angry


30th
30th
23rd
26th
31st
27th

the gm still has players on this roster playing important roles that played through that entire stank. how is that even possible.
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Nov 18 @ 6:23 PM ET
i just dont even want to think about the sabres anymore i just get angry


30th
30th
23rd
26th
31st
27th

the gm still has players on this roster playing important roles that played through that entire stank. how is that even possible.

- robz228


Johan Larsson was acquired when we traded pominville. He survived Pominville's entire tenure there, his return to Buffalo, and lasted past his retirement.

Girgensons played with Ehrhoff and Miller.

They've been here for ev er


Why do we hold onto such mediocre talent?
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Nov 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
Best case scenario

Mike Babcock gets fired after this season

Krueger is hired a a VP of hockey ops

Babcock coaches Sabres with sole mission to beat Toronto

- sbroads24

6 wins a year sounds cool sign me up
washedup20
Location: the little apple
Joined: 08.19.2014

Nov 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
Best case scenario

Mike Babcock gets fired after this season

Krueger is hired a a VP of hockey ops

Babcock coaches Sabres with sole mission to beat Toronto

- sbroads24



Babcocks wife pulled chute on Buffalo when she heard Bass Pro bailed on downtown. You know how touchy those Canadian women get aboot their fishing rods.

Worst case Ontario:

Fitz shares what kind of drink Krueger prefers
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
Johan Larsson was acquired when we traded pominville. He survived Pominville's entire tenure there, his return to Buffalo, and lasted past his retirement.

Girgensons played with Ehrhoff and Miller.

They've been here for ev er

- jcragcrumple


Stop posting please you really destroy me
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Nov 18 @ 6:24 PM ET
i just dont even want to think about the sabres anymore i just get angry


30th
30th
23rd
26th
31st
27th

the gm still has players on this roster playing important roles that played through that entire stank. how is that even possible.

- robz228


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MYcqToQzzGY
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Nov 18 @ 6:25 PM ET
Best case scenario

Mike Babcock gets fired after this season

Krueger is hired a a VP of hockey ops

Babcock coaches Sabres with sole mission to beat Toronto

- sbroads24


I mean unless we can bring Datsyuk, Zetterberg, and Lidstrom out of retirement then we’ll never win a playoff series but at least we’ll get to play an additional week or two of hockey a year.
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:26 PM ET
if anyone else wants to feel worse than they already do, jcragcrumple will find some new disgusting way to point out how long some bad player has been here
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Nov 18 @ 6:29 PM ET
if anyone else wants to feel worse than they already do, jcragcrumple will find some new disgusting way to point out how long some bad player has been here
- robz228


The last time the Sabres had a #1d not named Risto, the Red Wings were still in the western conference and the Jets were in the east
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:30 PM ET
girgensons has played with both linus ullmark and linus olmark


alright not gonna lie this is kinda fun
Myrtles_Finest
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Canterbury, NH
Joined: 06.02.2014

Nov 18 @ 6:33 PM ET
As I read people's thoughts on Mitts, I wonder what makes us think he can be an effective winger? He looks completely useless everytime he's on the ice. Can't finish when he does have an opportunity and doesn't appear to win any puck battles due to his size. I think no matter where you put him it's a hopeless effort at this point.
Pegullaville
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Toronto
Joined: 03.16.2011

Nov 18 @ 6:33 PM ET
if anyone else wants to feel worse than they already do, jcragcrumple will find some new disgusting way to point out how long some bad player has been here
- robz228


To add to the depression of Buffalo sports, I was born in July of 1995. I have not yet lived to see a Bills playoff victory yet.

jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Nov 18 @ 6:33 PM ET
What's hard to see is there games; being very boring, slow, devoid of talent.
That is squarely on him.

I believe it when I see it as far as playoffs go.
That sentiment was also expressed last season, and it was dead ass wrong.
This season, samething... those 1st 10 games count no doubt, but I project them in that 84 range, and that could be a reach if this roster doesn't change.

The hot start was fun...fast, aggressive, passes on-point.
Matched the excitement and fun of watching them last season's 10 games.
What is on Botts is him expressing official opinion that this group of forwards are good enough. That was not only dumb to say, but insulting. He lost alot of support fof me from that.

- IonSabres


Of course he’s gonna publicly have his team’s back!
Come on now
What did u think he’d say??
jcragcrumple
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Reluctant bridge jumper; 6th round OHL draft pick, YT
Joined: 04.04.2016

Nov 18 @ 6:41 PM ET
Of course he’s gonna publicly have his team’s back!
Come on now
What did u think he’d say??

- jdfitz77


How bout last year when he fired Housley and said this:

Botterill also shouldered blame, saying he "didn’t put the proper roster on the ice" and didn't give Housley "enough players, enough tools to have success."


And then he did the same thing to Krueger
BeadyEyedDouche
Buffalo Sabres
Location: Rustmine Ramsum most exciting Sabres klugdragger since Taro Tsujimoto
Joined: 07.01.2016

Nov 18 @ 6:41 PM ET
As I read people's thoughts on Mitts, I wonder what makes us think he can be an effective winger? He looks completely useless everytime he's on the ice. Can't finish when he does have an opportunity and doesn't appear to win any puck battles due to his size. I think no matter where you put him it's a hopeless effort at this point.
- Myrtles_Finest

But at least we burned that 1st year of his contract so we didn't lose him, right?
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:41 PM ET
Theres only 11 players left in the NHL from the 2014 team by my count

Miller
Ennis
Deslaurier
Foligno
Myers
Pysyk
Stewart (!!!)
Zadorov

Larsson
Girgensons
Ristolainen
robz228
Buffalo Sabres
Location: NY
Joined: 07.07.2010

Nov 18 @ 6:42 PM ET
i mean chris stewart was traded twice, retired, and came back all in the time mccabe and risto has been on this team
MLew65
Buffalo Sabres
Location: hamburg, NY
Joined: 01.23.2013

Nov 18 @ 6:48 PM ET
As I read people's thoughts on Mitts, I wonder what makes us think he can be an effective winger? He looks completely useless everytime he's on the ice. Can't finish when he does have an opportunity and doesn't appear to win any puck battles due to his size. I think no matter where you put him it's a hopeless effort at this point.
- Myrtles_Finest


mitts and sheary are useless
jdfitz77
Buffalo Sabres
Location: buffalo, NY
Joined: 05.21.2007

Nov 18 @ 6:50 PM ET
How bout last year when he fired Housley and said this:

Botterill also shouldered blame, saying he "didn’t put the proper roster on the ice" and didn't give Housley "enough players, enough tools to have success."


And then he did the same thing to Krueger

- jcragcrumple


Debatable

Like I’ve said...
Botts has tried to use low cost acquisitions in order to boost the depth of this team
Miller, Vesey, Sheary
Obviously, those guys have worked out to varying degrees

I’m totally fine with him not sacrificing the long term goals for immediate results now

And what options did he have to bring in guys that would make a significant difference?

The only legitimate thing i heard ppl say is that he should’ve traded Risto for a forward
Well, it seems pretty clear to me that he just hasn’t been getting good enough offers for him
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