You have to take into account the team as well. You cant just look at stats, being on a good team or bad team affects a goalies stats. I only looked at starters and a few goalies in split situations. Raanta is a good goalie. The 3 mentioned above are not starters
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The list isn't about the team a goalie plays on. It's rating the goalies as individuals. Were not talking about team play.

- niteislander

So if they were on Minnesota you dont think their numbers would drop significantly?

Actually I do, their success is mostly to do with Trotz and his defensive system. It is no surprise. My rankings are based on the goalies actual skills not the team they play on.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

You don't post numbers that good as a goalie without a high level of skill. No doubt the team play helps but they're better than you have them.

Holtby is over-rated. He can be great at times but he often falls apart. Im sorry but .906 SV% on the best team in the NHL. I dont base my opinions fully on stats but come on, he has to be a lot better than that. Bobrovsky is another guy I dropped down because of his inconsistency.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

He's not overrated. He is a cup winning goaltender who may do it again this year.

Not interested in lists from other readers. Would like to see Ek list 31 goalies that are currently better than Anderson...

You don't post numbers that good as a goalie without a high level of skill. No doubt the team play helps but they're better than you have them.
- MJL

Majority of the goalies on the list have a high level of skill...... One could argue aside from the top 5 and bottom 5 the rest are not separated by much

He's not overrated. He is a cup winning goaltender who may do it again this year.
- MJL

Neimi is also a cup winning goalie, was he a top NHL goalie?

Neimi is also a cup winning goalie, was he a top NHL goalie?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Not talking about Niemi. Holtby is in a different class. He is better than you have him.

Save % goalies with at least 10 games.

Andersen at 19, is not exactly screaming "Elite" to me. In fact, he isn't even average so far this year. Combine that with their abysmal backup goaltending and it is safe to say that goaltending is certainly one of the problems (among many) with the Leafs this year.

Greiss, Thomas NYI 0.938
Kuemper, Darcy ARI 0.937
Lehner, Robin CHI 0.936
Rask, Tuukka BOS 0.927
Hellebuyck, Connor WPG 0.927
Bishop, Ben DAL 0.925
Nilsson, Anders OTT 0.925
Koskinen, Mikko EDM 0.921
Fleury, Marc-Andre VGK 0.92
Binnington, Jordan STL 0.919
Price, Carey MTL 0.917
Smith, Mike EDM 0.915
Grubauer, Philipp COL 0.915
Crawford, Corey CHI 0.914
Markstrom, Jacob VAN 0.914
Rittich, David CGY 0.914
Gibson, John ANA 0.913
Murray, Matt PIT 0.913
Andersen, Frederik TOR 0.912
Elliott, Brian PHI 0.91
Hutton, Carter BUF 0.909
Holtby, Braden WSH 0.906

Save % goalies with at least 10 games.

Andersen at 19, is not exactly screaming "Elite" to me. In fact, he isn't even average so far this year. Combine that with their abysmal backup goaltending and it is safe to say that goaltending is certainly one of the problems (among many) with the Leafs this year.

Greiss, Thomas NYI 0.938
Kuemper, Darcy ARI 0.937
Lehner, Robin CHI 0.936
Rask, Tuukka BOS 0.927
Hellebuyck, Connor WPG 0.927
Bishop, Ben DAL 0.925
Nilsson, Anders OTT 0.925
Koskinen, Mikko EDM 0.921
Fleury, Marc-Andre VGK 0.92
Binnington, Jordan STL 0.919
Price, Carey MTL 0.917
Smith, Mike EDM 0.915
Grubauer, Philipp COL 0.915
Crawford, Corey CHI 0.914
Markstrom, Jacob VAN 0.914
Rittich, David CGY 0.914
Gibson, John ANA 0.913
Murray, Matt PIT 0.913
Andersen, Frederik TOR 0.912
Elliott, Brian PHI 0.91
Hutton, Carter BUF 0.909
Holtby, Braden WSH 0.906
- Aetherial

Yes but every year is different. Career averages are better but thing that makes it almost impossible to get a accurate list are how the goals are scored and how the team in front plays. If you compare two goalies and one has a 5 GAA and the other has 1 GAA, looking at those stats you can easily guess the 1 is better but if those 5 goals were cross crease tap ins and the 1 goal was a weak goal the goalie should have had, it is misleading. Quality of shots are another thing to take into account. Any goalie should be able to make 40 saves if they are all low quality chances.

There was a game where Philly played Dallas. From the 2nd period to the end of the game Dallas had 4 or 5 shots and they scored on 3 of them. This happened because 2 of those goals came from guys who skated into the slot and was given a grade A chances. The other was an empty net. Judging goalies is hard because the team in front does influence them

Not talking about Niemi. Holtby is in a different class. He is better than you have him.
- MJL

But he is a cup winning goalie, that was your argument for Holtby. Neimi is a cup winning goalie too. Just because you win a cup doesnt mean you are a good goalie. Michael Leighton was 2 wins away from a stanley cup. Quick is also a Stanley Cup winning goalie but he is no longer a good goalie. My point is Holtby is has been on one of the best teams in the league and his stats have been mediocre at best over the past 3 seasons. His stats should be a lot better given the team in front of him.

Elite?

Are you (frank)ing kidding me.
- Aetherial

No I'm not kidding you.

https://www.quanthockey.c...easons-goalies-stats.html

Save % goalies with at least 10 games.

Andersen at 19, is not exactly screaming "Elite" to me. In fact, he isn't even average so far this year. Combine that with their abysmal backup goaltending and it is safe to say that goaltending is certainly one of the problems (among many) with the Leafs this year.

Greiss, Thomas NYI 0.938
Kuemper, Darcy ARI 0.937
Lehner, Robin CHI 0.936
Rask, Tuukka BOS 0.927
Hellebuyck, Connor WPG 0.927
Bishop, Ben DAL 0.925
Nilsson, Anders OTT 0.925
Koskinen, Mikko EDM 0.921
Fleury, Marc-Andre VGK 0.92
Binnington, Jordan STL 0.919
Price, Carey MTL 0.917
Smith, Mike EDM 0.915
Grubauer, Philipp COL 0.915
Crawford, Corey CHI 0.914
Markstrom, Jacob VAN 0.914
Rittich, David CGY 0.914
Gibson, John ANA 0.913
Murray, Matt PIT 0.913
Andersen, Frederik TOR 0.912
Elliott, Brian PHI 0.91
Hutton, Carter BUF 0.909
Holtby, Braden WSH 0.906
- Aetherial

I'm not specifically referring to his play this year, I'm looking at more of the body of work over the past 3 seasons hence my other post. He certainly isn't leading the league in GAA's, save % or wins etc. this season no argument. That being said and as others have said you have other elements that need to be factored in. For instance the quality of the shots the goalie faces, is the team defense better on any of the teams that the goalies above Andersen are on? I'd say for sure, Toronto's team D is nothing short of horrific.

I look at the game last week where the Islanders allowed Toronto to shoot at will from the perimeter but were nasty in tight - the quality of the shots faced by the goalie aren't the same when your facing most of the shots from outside the circles......

There is zero doubt Andersen is a starter, I think he is great value for what his contract is a top 10 goalie in the league.

Just my opinion.

No I'm not kidding you.

https://www.quanthockey.c...easons-goalies-stats.html
- Cush29

You posted a list that had Fredrick Andersen ranked 3rd....in games played. He's 36th in GAA and 17th in SV%

So if they were on Minnesota you dont think their numbers would drop significantly?
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Have Lehner's numbers dropped significantly on Chicago?

But he is a cup winning goalie, that was your argument for Holtby. Neimi is a cup winning goalie too. Just because you win a cup doesnt mean you are a good goalie. Michael Leighton was 2 wins away from a stanley cup. Quick is also a Stanley Cup winning goalie but he is no longer a good goalie. My point is Holtby is has been on one of the best teams in the league and his stats have been mediocre at best over the past 3 seasons. His stats should be a lot better given the team in front of him.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

When did the argument become who is better among Holtby or Niemi? You're not making much sense here. Holtby back stopped his team to a Cup and has won a Vezina trophy. Finished 2nd in another season. He is better than you have him ranked. The most telling sign is that you ranked Carter Hart higher than Holtby. You should revise your list.

5 mil backup on a cap riddled team.........sounds like a great idea
- juice22

Heyyyyy. Knock off the digs. We have a 6 million back-up. You saying that is wrong???

Well, if we didn't already know that Ek doesn't watch hockey games and/or has sh!t for brains...we sure know now.