If McCann is set as our 3rd line C than Bjugstad could be packaged with one of our backup goalies and a D-man for defensive help...or just go for Taylor Hall
- Barnaby36

I'd trade Schultz before he nosedives any further (or gets injured again). Marino is already a better defenseman.

Looks like Sully was outcoached by Trotz...again...

Murray fan boys have been sticking with him since day one...they have to...they r on record for hating in MAF. Facts are without MAF this team doesnt win 3 cups and doesnt see 4 finals. In every season leading to all 4 of those finals appearances MAF played a huge role for this team. He moves on and continues to look like the all star goalie he is. It's harder to take the non echo chamber stance, and I have since day one with Murray. I NEVER wanted MAF gone. This team absolutely wins three straight with MAF. That's my opinion and I'll never change it. This never means I want mur to fail...I am a fan of this team after all. But having not even seen the ot winner, I knew he was going to give one up. He often does 3 on 3. He isnt a game stealing goalie, never will be. He is a boring percentage positional goalie...and that would be great if only he could catch a puck..or not have the massive bullseye attached to his glove hand.
- taleisyreXIII

Murray is a good goalie. I dont think he is in that elite class of goalies but he is probably close to top 10.

My concerns with him are whether he can handle a full load as a starter and stay healthy. I'm especially worried about his next contract. The two Cups make him a candidate for an overpay. Jarry is showing flashes of being a really good goalie also. Hoping they dont screw themselves on a long term high hit contract.

I'd trade Schultz before he nosedives any further (or gets injured again). Marino is already a better defenseman.
- Hockey66

Big decisions to make on both Schultz and Galchenyuk. Not sure they are guys you want extended unless they are short term, discount deals but also dont want to see them walk for nothing.

I'd also add Bjugstad in there even though he has a year remaining still. Sounds like people are coming back to reality with him. He is streaky and healthy only here and there, yet after last season he was untradeable to many on here.

Controlled zone entries >>>>>>> dumping.

It's not even comparable. Dumping is the option if you can't enter the zone cleanly. I went over this before with someone on here. In no circumstance should you dump it if you can enter the zone cleanly.
- Blackstrom2

I'll agree with this, if you have an uncontested entry, unless you're going for a line change, you should take it every time. But I don't think looking at zone entry percentage let's you know how clean the chance to enter is and thus if that was the smart play, so I don't trust the stat.

There was a site that used to track puck retrievals and Hornqvist at that time was in the 99th percentile in puck retrievals and exceptional in all possession stats, yet that isn't considered a possession game by many because of controlled entry.

I also don't think all players are equal at retrieving pucks on dump ins, nor are all defensemen as good at retrievals. I'd bet the retrieval rate against Maatta or JJ playing on his off-side last year was higher than a good entry rate percentage but it's not tracked.

I missed the third. Any reason why Kahun didn’t play more? Penalties?
- WSCTeton17

Was it just 3rd period? I think he's normally around 13-14. He doesn't get a lot of special teams time, and Sully plays his bottom guys more than most coaches which balances the ice time. More so this year because the 4th line is getting a lot of ice time.

They’re going forward with Domingue and Blackwood for now. They’ve lost all confidence in Schneider - hoping he can catch fire in the minors but they don’t see it
- WSCTeton17

Toronto makes sense as a backup for Jarry, but NJ (Shero traded up fo him) and MIN have ties to him and both can really use an upgrade.

But that's if the Pens wanted to make a trade, I'd be inclined to an on to Jarry and play him a little more. Murray is playing too much and I do think he'd benefit from a lighter workload.

I'd trade Schultz before he nosedives any further (or gets injured again). Marino is already a better defenseman.
- Hockey66

I agree, I wanted to make that move in the off-season, but don't think the Pens agree. Marino and Pettersson both have more ES points than Schultz so far this year, for anyone thinking we'd miss his offense on the second pair.

Buffalo has to move a defenseman soon, maybe this week if Bogosian is activated because they're over the cap. Scandella and Miller are both rumored to be available. I'd like either truthfully, but Miller would be a good fit as he has a reasonable cap hit, prior to this year great possession metrics, and he's a righty that plays the PP well.

Idk how people can blame Murray on that when there's 4 mother (frank)ers watching Eberle as he passes it through them. And then on a 6 on 5 we had zero pressure on the point man and basically allowed the Islanders to do what they wanted. The pens played like poop right after Rust took that penalty and that's what happened bottom line. Murray has lost us games before but last night wasn't one of them. Let's not act like Fleury was (frank)ing perfect he lost games too, people forget he had major meltdowns and we had to bring in Thomas (frank)ing Vokoun to stabilize the net.

Big decisions to make on both Schultz and Galchenyuk. Not sure they are guys you want extended unless they are short term, discount deals but also dont want to see them walk for nothing.

I'd also add Bjugstad in there even though he has a year remaining still. Sounds like people are coming back to reality with him. He is streaky and healthy only here and there, yet after last season he was untradeable to many on here.
- MacPatty

Well, a lot of that change is how well McCann and Blueger are playing and looking like they can handle the 3C and shutdown roles respectively, though I still feel Bjugstad would be superior to Blueger there. Cap hit difference though.

I'm still willing to be patient with Bjugstad for now. Wish he and Hornqvist would be healthy at the same time. I don't see a need to trade him now, though the off-season is a different story. I don't think people realize how cap space compounds since we rarely have this much, but capgeek estimates us over 7M at the deadline. That's enough to theoretically add Hall without losing anyone.

Murray is a good goalie. I dont think he is in that elite class of goalies but he is probably close to top 10.

My concerns with him are whether he can handle a full load as a starter and stay healthy. I'm especially worried about his next contract. The two Cups make him a candidate for an overpay. Jarry is showing flashes of being a really good goalie also. Hoping they dont screw themselves on a long term high hit contract.
- MacPatty

Everybody that wanted maf gone said that he lost his game. Said that while he makes incredible saves at times...he is often letting in bad ones that really deflate the team(sound familar?) Those very same ppl are advocating that MM is an incredible goalie.....they will look u straight in the face with goals like that game winner in New Jersey.. and last night's ot goal and stats like 880 save percentage in a game and say he played amazing. Well he did...until he didnt and we lost in part because of it. That's just the way it is...the goalie is part of the team and he has to play to an expected level for the team to win. 880 save percentage...on a night where the opposition has very few high danger chances..is unacceptable.

Well, a lot of that change is how well McCann and Blueger are playing and looking like they can handle the 3C and shutdown roles respectively, though I still feel Bjugstad would be superior to Blueger there. Cap hit difference though.

I'm still willing to be patient with Bjugstad for now. Wish he and Hornqvist would be healthy at the same time. I don't see a need to trade him now, though the off-season is a different story. I don't think people realize how cap space compounds since we rarely have this much, but capgeek estimates us over 7M at the deadline. That's enough to theoretically add Hall without losing anyone.
- Tojo.

Yeah, I don't think you have to jump on moving Bjugstad but hes the first guy I'd look at trading from this roster. I'd love to take a flier on Puljujarvi by offering Bjugstad (yes, something wrap related would have to happen for Edmonton). JR has been on a good kick picking up cost controlled, younger players and I think he is one who could flourish here.

The guy I'm most pleased with so far this year is Rust. He was rumored to be on the way out but has just played outstanding.

Everybody that wanted maf gone said that he lost his game. Said that while he makes incredible saves at times...he is often letting in bad ones that really deflate the team(sound familar?) Those very same ppl are advocating that MM is an incredible goalie.....they will look u straight in the face with goals like that game winner in New Jersey.. and last night's ot goal and stats like 880 save percentage in a game and say he played amazing. Well he did...until he didnt and we lost in part because of it. That's just the way it is...the goalie is part of the team and he has to play to an expected level for the team to win. 880 save percentage...on a night where the opposition has very few high danger chances..is unacceptable.
- taleisyreXIII

I honestly like both MAF and MM it just made cap sense to do what we did. And it will probably make cap sense to let MM go if we can't get a good deal.