If he sits on his hands again I don’t blame anyone for wanting him fired
- sbroads24

I don’t think he cares at all about this year. He’ll make some moves next offseason, but he’ll have the built-in excuse that with so many new players, there shouldn’t be any expectations for that year either. Maybe the year after that, or maybe not.

I have a serious question, hopefully not taken as a excuse, but what did Botts have in prospects or players to really use when he got here to make significant improvements to this roster other then trying to refill the cupboards. He was not trading away are 1st, we needed those, What was really expected, he tried to fill the roster with players with 3rd rnd picks and trying to purge players from teams that were in cap trouble. Yes he could have done a few things better.

Armia would be a step up over anyone currently in our bottom 6, as would JT Compher and Jack Roslovic. Zadorov would be one of our 3 best LHD. McNabb and those two 2nd round picks > Deslauriers and Fasching.

Murray jumped the gun, while Botts may be too patient.

At least by being patient we are adding another top pick this year and although he is hoarding assets on the back end he hasn’t blown it by losing another trade.
- Pegullaville

It’s funny. Armia is exactly who I thought he’d be in a bigger role, despite captain def poetry poster assuring me his goal scoring rates didn’t mean anything

His career in MTL getting top 9 min

76 games played
20 goals 34 points.

Not bad for a 4th liner

I have a serious question, hopefully not taken as a excuse, but what did Botts have in prospects or players to really use when he got here to make significant improvements to this roster other then trying to refill the cupboards. He was not trading away are 1st, we needed those, What was really expected, he tried to fill the roster with players with 3rd rnd picks and trying to purge players from teams that were in cap trouble. Yes he could have done a few things better.
- Buff36

Nothing, barely any cap space either.

Nothing, barely any cap space either.
- Pegullaville

I guess Jack is nothing.

I guess Jack is nothing.
- PrinceChill

I think he meant as trade chips.

I guess Jack is nothing.
- PrinceChill

We weren’t trading Jack.

I'm so sick of hearing that Tim Murray traded away all of our prospects and depth...

What are literally all of those guys doing right now on their new teams?

That's right. Nothing.

I'm so sick of hearing that Tim Murray traded away all of our prospects and depth...

What are literally all of those guys doing right now on their new teams?

That's right. Nothing.
- U Sir Name

Joel Armia is on pace for 28 goals this year

JT Compher has been improving every season and is on pace for 45-50 points

He had two cracks at Boeser/Konecny/White etc and traded them away.

Traded the pick that was one away from
Sebastian Aho

He traded everything we need right now

I'm so sick of hearing that Tim Murray traded away all of our prospects and depth...

What are literally all of those guys doing right now on their new teams?

That's right. Nothing.
- U Sir Name

The pick he traded for Josh Gorges ended up as Alex DeBrincat

One of the picks for Fasching ended up Erik Cernak

The list is endless

Botterill is bad right now. He still pales in comparison to a guy who traded an entire rebuild to get to 80 points, and had no moves left to go upward

I'm so sick of hearing that Tim Murray traded away all of our prospects and depth...

What are literally all of those guys doing right now on their new teams?

That's right. Nothing.
- U Sir Name

JT Compher is pretty good. Idgaf about Roslovic, Armia or Lemieux. Colin White doesn't look like anything good. Zadorov is serviceable.

On the Botterill side, Guhle has 3 points in 11 games for the Ducks. We'll see what that 1st becomes. If either Guhle or the 1st are as good as Montour, the JB fan club will have some 'splainin to do

JT Compher is pretty good. Idgaf about Roslovic, Armia or Lemieux. Colin White doesn't look like anything good. Zadorov is serviceable.

On the Botterill side, Guhle has 3 points in 11 games for the Ducks. We'll see what that 1st becomes. If either Guhle or the 1st are as good as Montour, the JB fan club will have some 'splainin to do
- jcragcrumple

Roslovic is on pace for 15 goals 40 points

Armia 28 goals 50 points

You don’t think that’s not exactly what’s needed on lines 2-3?

And they make a combined 3.5 mil or exactly 1 Sobotka

We weren’t trading Jack.
- Pegullaville

He had Kane, O’Reilly, Rino, and Risto.

He traded the first two for, what some people consider tremendous return. He could’ve traded the last two. He chose not to. And he could’ve traded Jack if he really wanted to. To say he had nothing to work with when he got here is false.

Roslovic is on pace for 15 goals 40 points

Armia 28 goals 50 points

You don’t think that’s not exactly what’s needed on lines 2-3?
- sbroads24

Let's see where they end up this year. So far their careers are Girgensonsesque. I'd take Compher in a heartbeat

Let's see where they end up this year. So far their careers are Girgensonsesque. I'd take Compher in a heartbeat
- jcragcrumple

Except both have magically started scoring off line 4.

Armia has 76 games with Montreal- 20 goals. 13 at 5 on 5. Which is 2nd line rates.

You can’t say how this Gm failed to get any forwards and then pretend the ones the other traded away, who could very well still be here, for cheap are useless

He had Kane, O’Reilly, Rino, and Risto.

He traded the first two for, what some people consider tremendous return. He could’ve traded the last two. He chose not to. And he could’ve traded Jack if he really wanted to. To say he had nothing to work with when he got here is false.
- PrinceChill

Kane turned into Montour. We don’t know what we have in Tage Thompson and Ryan Johnson yet but Colin Miller will be a great third pairing d-man for this club when they clear out some bodies.

I’m all for moving Risto and have stated that multiple times however we can’t just give him away either.

Reinhart is interesting. I could see him being moved but if he’s resigned I wouldn’t mind it either.

When Murray left

- at the cap
- no forward depth
- Kane a pending UFA
- no Defense depth
- No goaltending, at all

Botterill today

- At the cap, with a bunch coming off
- Good D depth
- Best goalie prospect in hockey
- terrible forward depth

One is still visibly better

The pick he traded for Josh Gorges ended up as Alex DeBrincat

One of the picks for Fasching ended up Erik Cernak

The list is endless
- sbroads24

That's the problem boards, we are all complaining about no depth on this team, well all the players that should have been filling those rolls were traded away, and the picks that were traded during that time, as you pointed out would have filled out are top 6 pretty nicely. Nothing is ever for sure, but if we would have left are system just mature a little longer and used some of those picks, this team would be a whole lot different at this stage. This of course doesn't give Botts a free pass, he could have done a few things differently. But he has made are prospect pool a lot better, But now with that and the few extra defenseman and the extra cap space next year, let's see if he can be the GM we all hope he can be.

That's the problem boards, we are all complaining about no depth on this team, well all the players that should have been filling those rolls were traded away, and the picks that were traded during that time, as you pointed out would have filled out are top 6 pretty nicely. Nothing is ever for sure, but if we would have left are system just mature a little longer and used some of those picks, this team would be a whole lot different at this stage. This of course doesn't give Botts a free pass, he could have done a few things differently. But he has made are prospect pool a lot better, But now with that and the few extra defenseman and the extra cap space next year, let's see if he can be the GM we all hope he can be.
- Buff36

Exaclty.

This year and last waves of NHL’ers from the ‘14-16 drafts should’ve been filling depth spots, and in some cases key roles.

Murray (frank)ed us.

When Murray left

- at the cap
- no forward depth
- Kane a pending UFA
- no Defense depth
- No goaltending, at all

Botterill today

- At the cap, with a bunch coming off
- Good D depth
- Best goalie prospect in hockey
- terrible forward depth

One is still visibly better
- sbroads24

Mitts and Cozens both hitting their ceilings though flips this narrative pretty quickly. Olofsson should also improve, how much remains to be seen but he’s only played 28 NHL games. Asplund should be here full time next year and Thompson can make things interesting.

We won’t have a crazy amount of cap space but definitely enough to work with to bring in a couple of notable players.

When Murray left

- at the cap
- no forward depth
- Kane a pending UFA
- no Defense depth
- No goaltending, at all

Botterill today

- At the cap, with a bunch coming off
- Good D depth
- Best goalie prospect in hockey
- terrible forward depth

One is still visibly better
- sbroads24

The best goalie prospect in all of hockey is playing for the Cincinnati Cyclones?

Mitts and Cozens both hitting their ceilings though flips this narrative pretty quickly. Olofsson should also improve, how much remains to be seen but he’s only played 28 NHL games. Asplund should be here full time next year and Thompson can make things interesting.

We won’t have a crazy amount of cap space but definitely enough to work with to bring in a couple of notable players.
- Pegullaville

And hopefully he can use a couple of those extra D- man to bring in a player or 2 that can help us now and the future

He had Kane, O’Reilly, Rino, and Risto.

He traded the first two for, what some people consider tremendous return. He could’ve traded the last two. He chose not to. And he could’ve traded Jack if he really wanted to. To say he had nothing to work with when he got here is false.
- PrinceChill

He had no D depth at the time, he wasn't trading Risto, now is a different story. Kane got us Montour. ROR is hard, but he got us Johnson, and I believe the other pick got us the goalie prospect. And I blame a little of that trade on ownership, probably would have gotten more if the bonus wasn't attached

Exaclty.

This year and last waves of NHL’ers from the ‘14-16 drafts should’ve been filling depth spots, and in some cases key roles.

Murray (frank)ed us.
- sbroads24

Just like Botterill’s impact won’t be truly felt for another few years also. What does this team look like with a 22 year old Dahlin and a 21 year old Dylan Cozens ? If UPL becomes an above average NHL goaltender ? If he strikes gold with this years first rounder in a very appealing draft ?

Jacob Bryson has had a really good start in Rochester. Laaksonen, Samuelsson, Johnson, should all be pushing for time. Pilut and Joker will be in their primes.