And it can’t be fixed. Leafs are doomed for another 52 years.
- Steven_Seagull

Dubas won't be the GM for 54 years

Lafrenierre Matthews Nylander
Hyman Snakes Marner

Maybe trade Rielly for a forward to really round out that top 6
- walshyleafsfan

Not enough puck out there

They found an NHL goalie.
- Aetherial

True, we do need an upgrade on Andersen

Lafreniere Matthews Nylander
Hyman Snakes Marner

Maybe trade Rielly for a forward to really round out that top 6
- walshyleafsfan

I can’t stay mad at you.

couple shakeup moves that could make sense....

Kapanen for Fialia

Barrie for Hamonic(would need a 3rd team involved to make cap work)
- Santo_44

Kapanen is paid what he is worth and many nights he is putting in more effort than most other forwards. I just don't see where getting rid of him helps.

what if Mikheyev isnt that good
- senstroll

teams can watch game tape.

d-men are no longer getting caught off guard by his speed.

Dubas won't be the GM for 54 years
- walshyleafsfan

Doesn’t matter. The damage he’s done is sooo great, that it’ll carry over for a couple of generations.

I can’t stay mad at you.
- Steven_Seagull

You're never mad at me. We all see what's going on here

Kapanen is paid what he is worth and many nights he is putting in more effort than most other forwards. I just don't see where getting rid of him helps.
- Aetherial

Its a shakeup move.

Have to get the team going somehow and the only other trade that makes sense is Barrie and that one will be tough.

Plus the extra 400K cap space the Leafs would get in that trade would get rid of some headaches.

Depends on who you ask. Both Brian Burke and Bob MacKenzie stated that a decision has already been made, I'm just not sure what that means yet. I do think Dubas has to set things straight and come out and state what the plan is with Babs
- PatC80

Unless the season becomes a train-wreck, and it is heading that way , my guess is that the plan for Babcock was cup-or-bust.

Doesn’t matter. The damage he’s done is sooo great, that it’ll carry over for a couple of generations.
- Steven_Seagull

54 years of damage done in less than 2 years on the job..

I guess, he really did go big..

Doesn’t matter. The damage he’s done is sooo great, that it’ll carry over for a couple of generations.
- Steven_Seagull

You may be correct.

On the plus side, this should begin the end of advanced analytics, so that's a boon.

what if Mikheyev isnt that good
- senstroll

he's a proper 3rd line winger that can defend, score, skate and play a bit of a phyisical game.
once he's used to the NA game, he'll be a solid player on this team.

You're never mad at me. We all see what's going on here
- walshyleafsfan

Its a shakeup move.

Have to get the team going somehow and the only other trade that makes sense is Barrie and that one will be tough.

Plus the extra 400K cap space the Leafs would get in that trade would get rid of some headaches.
- Santo_44

I think a shakeup could be done without getting rid of a guy who doesn't appear to be a problem.

I think you could get rid of Barrie. You don't get much in return, but at this point, he is no better than any other dman in the system. Might as well save those cap$. I don't see the Leafs re-signing him anyway.

You may be correct.

On the plus side, this should begin the end of advanced analytics, so that's a boon.
- walshyleafsfan

Back to Gudbranson at 3rd overall

Unless the season becomes a train-wreck, and it is heading that way (:thumbsup, my guess is that the plan for Babcock was cup-or-bust.
- Aetherial

If, (big if) they continue to lose then yeah he should be fired sooner than later..

First, fire Babs and then make an impact trade, (not Petan for a conditional 7th rd pick).. If nothing changes still, then we will know what we problems we really have.

teams can watch game tape.

d-men are no longer getting caught off guard by his speed.
- Steven_Stamkos

It is easy to address that when he is the only Leaf forward that is skating with any speed.

Frustrating part of this whole thing is nothing with lines will change on Thursday against Arizona.

Same line combos, same defensive pairings, same pk and pp.

Just keep banging your head against the wall I guess, because nothing is going to change.

Ohh I should note kerfoot will be practicing with the team today. If he’s ready to go I’m sure babs will take spezza out.

Frustrating part of this whole thing is nothing with lines will change on Thursday against Arizona.

Same line combos, same defensive pairings, same pk and pp.

Just keep banging your head against the wall I guess, because nothing is going to change.

Ohh I should note kerfoot will be practicing with the team today. If he’s ready to go I’m sure babs will take spezza out.
- bryant

Better take out Spezza and keep Shore. What this team needs is more Shore.

Better take out Spezza and keep Shore. What this team needs is more Shore.
- Hockey_Reverend

is that you Mike ?

Better take out Spezza and keep Shore. What this team needs is more Shore.
- Hockey_Reverend

yes you are right.
leafs are playing really bad because of Shore and his 9 1/2 ATOI per game

Lafrenierre Matthews Nylander
Hyman Snakes Marner

Maybe trade Rielly for a forward to really round out that top 6
- walshyleafsfan

trading Rielly would really help....

getting to the bottom of the standings.

Lafrenierre Matthews Nylander
Hyman Snakes Marner

Maybe trade Rielly for a forward to really round out that top 6
- walshyleafsfan

Could you imagine the cap hell you'll be in when his ELC is up!? That's like 9th Circle of Cap Hell! Hard pass

I know the common narrative is that the Leafs problems are mostly defensive, and specifically talent on the D-end and lack of forwards playing team defense.

The things is, they aren't scoring either.

How different would the games look if they scored, or scored first once in a while.

Some of this appears to be bad luck, but every team and every players goes through this. It simply is not an excuse.

I wonder if the *real* problem is that they are one and done in the offensive zone most of the time, combined with a barely-average poweplay. If Dubas wants to assemble a team of high-skilled guys to out skate and out-score the oppostion, I don't have a philosophical argument with that.

They aren't doing that. They aren't putting much effort into the offensive zone play either.

If they would at least try at ONE end of the ice, I gotta think they would be better than what we are seeing.