So not only Ek, but many of you are forgetting about tie games. Brodeur won his first 450 games before shootouts and 4-on-4 or 3-on-3 OT gimmicks. As a results he had 154 ties in his career. Most of those (ie 100+) were true tie games, and not an OT/SO loss. So take say those first 100 tie games and insist that each results in a win or loss. Even if the Devil's win just 50% of those games, that gives Brodeur 50 more wins. So he's at 500 before MAF hits 450. Such a flawed comparison. It's like pretending Larkin is faster than McDavid because he had a moving start. Wake up people!
- uofcguy

Not to mention games lost from labor strikes and lockouts.

Any update on the rumour chart? I'm anxious to see the Leafs acquire a #1 goalie. Also curious which team acquires TJ Brodie following his mysterious collapse at practice and hospitalization. Where do I sign doc?

And MA Fleury has played his entire career on loaded Pens teams, and a very good Vegas team...

MA Fleury and Osgood are great comparables .... The funny part is the Osgood has Fleury beat in personal hardware.... Fleury has never sniffed a Vezina, Ozzy has. Fleury has won the Jennings twice, Fleury hasn't won it once - and their playoff success is basically a tie..... Their career numbers besides wins are very close - and their winning percentage is almost identical ...

IMO, MA Fleury is this era's Chris Osgood.....
- Savard2Secord

Fleury has been a bonafide starter his entire career. Osgood has either been a split duty goaltender or a stopgap

You'd have to be a Pens fan to know those teams weren't loaded. Malkin/Crosby/Letang and a rotating cast with Bad/Poor coaching. Osgood put up a lot of good numbers with those Detroit teams, but so did his partners/backups

Absolutely

Chris Osgood is an example of what an average goalie can do on elite teams.

MAF is an example of what a very good goalie can do on very good to great teams.

MAF is clearly the better goaltender between the two, but neither belong in the Hall. Even at his peak there were always about half a dozen goalies you'd rather have than MAF. For Ozzie that's more like 10-15.

I’ve got nothing against MAF, but the reality is he had playoff performances so shaky that Pittsburgh was happy to move on to Murray. They were glad to have Vegas take him and frankly MAF has been a better and more importantly a more consistent goalie there.

Chris Osgood is an example of what an average goalie can do on elite teams.

MAF is an example of what a very good goalie can do on very good to great teams.

MAF is clearly the better goaltender between the two, but neither belong in the Hall. Even at his peak there were always about half a dozen goalies you'd rather have than MAF. For Ozzie that's more like 10-15.
- Sven22

My main disagreement with this is that Fleury may now be at his peak.

Leafs looked so much better with a new coach. Shocking. If they ever got a #1 goalie to partner with Anderson they would be a real threat. E3

I believe Andre Racicot will get the HHoF nod very soon.

unless "you people" ruin the voting

Chris Osgood is an example of what an average goalie can do on elite teams.

MAF is an example of what a very good goalie can do on very good to great teams.

MAF is clearly the better goaltender between the two, but neither belong in the Hall. Even at his peak there were always about half a dozen goalies you'd rather have than MAF. For Ozzie that's more like 10-15.
- Sven22

When Fleury gets to between 575 and 600 wins and given his 5 cup appearances and 3 rings, He's getting in the Hall. Bank on it

Leafs looked so much better with a new coach. Shocking. If they ever got a #1 goalie to partner with Anderson they would be a real threat. E3
- uofcguy

Haha a number one goalie? Way to play with Leafs fans heads

So not only Ek, but many of you are forgetting about tie games. Brodeur won his first 450 games before shootouts and 4-on-4 or 3-on-3 OT gimmicks. As a results he had 154 ties in his career. Most of those (ie 100+) were true tie games, and not an OT/SO loss. So take say those first 100 tie games and insist that each results in a win or loss. Even if the Devil's win just 50% of those games, that gives Brodeur 50 more wins. So he's at 500 before MAF hits 450. Such a flawed comparison. It's like pretending Larkin is faster than McDavid because he had a moving start. Wake up people!
- uofcguy

Curiosity got me....MAF has 58 shootout wins in his career. So if he played in the previous era, those 58 would be considered a tie and bringing him down to 392 wins. Good goalie, unfair to compare him to Roy, Hasek or Brodeur.

455 puts him 5th all time - it is a major milestone-
- marktornits28

Not so fast!! You are assuming there that Lundqvist never wins another game! He just hit 455 to tie Joseph the other day.
And regardless of OT and shootouts, reaching the top 5 all-time in wins is a major thing! Are we supposed to ignore who is at the top of that list because of this??

Chris Osgood is an example of what an average goalie can do on elite teams.

MAF is an example of what a very good goalie can do on very good to great teams.

MAF is clearly the better goaltender between the two, but neither belong in the Hall. Even at his peak there were always about half a dozen goalies you'd rather have than MAF. For Ozzie that's more like 10-15.
- Sven22

I'm curious then whether you would ever vote for another goalie (at least that we have seen play as of now) to be admitted to the HoF?
If being top 5 in wins with around 500 isn't enough, who can make the cut?

No.

No. He's a good, not great goalie. He was fortunate enough to play behind a stacked team, and amassed a lot of wins. Nothing more. he's not top 10, not close. Top 50 might even be a stretch.

Curiosity got me....MAF has 58 shootout wins in his career. So if he played in the previous era, those 58 would be considered a tie and bringing him down to 392 wins. Good goalie, unfair to compare him to Roy, Hasek or Brodeur.
- flipneil

Factor in another 100 or so wins before his career is done - He'd have close to 500 Regular Season wins, #2 All Time

How can MAF not be a HHOF goalie?

He has cups, wins, 2.51 gaa and. 915 save %

I would make the case that based on his career he is a top ten - fifteen goalie of all time.
- opeth_pa

No. Who here can you possibly even try argue he is better than?

Hasek
Martin Brodeur
Patrick Roy
Jacques Plante
Terry Sawchuk
Johnny Bower
Ken Dryden
Glenn Hall
Bernie Parent
Tony Esposito
Billy Smith
Ed Belfour
Grant Fuhr
Hextall
Cheevers
Vanbiesbrook
Thomas Vokoun?

Then there are goalies that played at the same time as him, like Henrik Lundqvist, Tim Thomas, Kiprusof, Luongo, hell Pekka Rinne and even a guy like Bobrovsky has more success in terms of Vezina voting. Tuuka Rask?

that doesn't even start to discuss goalies that were way way way before my (and eveyrone else's here) time. Like, the guy the Vezina is named after, Georges Vezina. You could probably list off 10 or 20 of them.

Saying top 10 to 15 is so far off base. he is without question outside the top 20, even top 30, probably way more.

For some reason I've never though of Brodeur as that great. But, I think that might just be bias based on how the penguins played against him. Same with Lundquist. Neither goalie ever had me worried going into a game.
- cranktheradio

So thats stupid

No. Who here can you possibly even try argue he is better than?

Hasek
Martin Brodeur
Patrick Roy
Jacques Plante
Terry Sawchuk
Johnny Bower
Ken Dryden
Glenn Hall
Bernie Parent
Tony Esposito
Billy Smith
Ed Belfour
Grant Fuhr
Hextall
Cheevers
Vanbiesbrook
Thomas Vokoun?

Then there are goalies that played at the same time as him, like Henrik Lundqvist, Tim Thomas, Kiprusof, Luongo, hell Pekka Rinne and even a guy like Bobrovsky has more success in terms of Vezina voting. Tuuka Rask?

that doesn't even start to discuss goalies that were way way way before my (and eveyrone else's here) time. Like, the guy the Vezina is named after, Georges Vezina. You could probably list off 10 or 20 of them.

Saying top 10 to 15 is so far off base. he is without question outside the top 20, even top 30, probably way more.
- prock

Lol

Lol
- Xizord

Care to elaborate? It seems to me like a guy with 2 Vezina trophies, hart finalist, that led the league in sv% nearly every year for quite some time, would be a no brainer? I nmean, to be considered nearly the best in the league, when Fleury has never been considered better than 3rd, or even 4th best on his team, speaks volumes.