I get it your another Skinner hater.
- SABRES 89

Nope, I’m just a realist. If you can pick apart anything I’ve said on this past page though regarding the subject I’d be happy to hear it.

Skinner had 4 SOG tonight and had chances but did not produce.

If Jack had 6 points in his last 15 games this board will have a melt down.

Jack does not need Skinner to produce, Skinner needs Jack to produce (at least produce enough to be worth that contract).

Jack makes others around him better, Skinner is a volume shooter who gains possession and creates offence for himself and nobody else.

Vesey also scored more SHG tonight then Skinner will in his 8 years here.

4 coaches haven’t trusted him enough defensively to play him in 3 on 3 OT.

But hey let’s complain about the Girgensons and Larsson’s of the world which are a small microcosm of the issue here. People here fixate on that because it’s easy.

This team sucks because we need at least one more “top end” forward, an average NHL starting goaltender, and the coach needs to actually play his best defence man more ((Joker, Montour, Dahlin (who had been better lately) and call up Pilut for frank sakes).

Scandella, McCabe, Bogo, Miller are replaceable yet useful bottom pairing defenceman that can be parted with for depth in the right move and we should keep 2 but not all 4.

Risto would be a great #5 or average #4 but we play him like he’s a #1 and is worth more to us as a trade chip then he is ringing pucks around the glass to nobody.

The day that Reinhart and Skinner are our 4th and 5th best forwards is the day we’ll finally have a top 9 forward group worth a poop. Either that or those guys step up even more and become either worth their draft status or contract.

This - as I stated previously Olofson is a better player and more productive for the team with Jack in his first year. Skinner, the 9 mil player who has played with misfit centers and produced will have less drop off or should have less than Olofson and this makes the team better. Why a 9 million dollar player gets a pass and thinks he should get his hands held by Jack is beyond me. 9 MILLION DOLLAR PLAYERS SHOULD LEAD THE PLAY.
- GilPerreault11

Bingo.

Nope, I’m just a realist. If you can pick apart anything I’ve said on this past page though regarding the subject I’d be happy to hear it.

Skinner had 4 SOG tonight and had chances but did not produce.

If Jack had 6 points in his last 15 games this board will have a melt down.

Jack does not need Skinner to produce, Skinner needs Jack to produce (at least produce enough to be worth that contract).

Jack makes others around him better, Skinner is a volume shooter who gains possession and creates offence for himself and nobody else.

Vesey also scored more SHG tonight then Skinner will in his 8 years here.

4 coaches haven’t trusted him enough defensively to play him in 3 on 3 OT.

But hey let’s complain about the Girgensons and Larsson’s of the world which are a small microcosm of the issue here. People here fixate on that because it’s easy.

This team sucks because we need at least one more “top end” forward, an average NHL starting goaltender, and the coach needs to actually play his best defence man more ((Joker, Montour, Dahlin (who had been better lately) and call up Pilut for frank sakes).

Scandella, McCabe, Bogo, Miller are replaceable yet useful bottom pairing defenceman that can be parted with for depth in the right move and we should keep 2 but not all 4.

Risto would be a great #5 or average #4 but we play him like he’s a #1 and is worth more to us as a trade chip then he is ringing pucks around the glass to nobody.

The day that Reinhart and Skinner are our 4th and 5th best forwards is the day we’ll finally have a top 9 forward group worth a poop. Either that or those guys step up even more and become either worth their draft status or contract.
- Pegullaville

It sounds like you’re blaming the coach for not calling up Pilut.

Nope, I’m just a realist. If you can pick apart anything I’ve said on this past page though regarding the subject I’d be happy to hear it.

Skinner had 4 SOG tonight and had chances but did not produce.

If Jack had 6 points in his last 15 games this board will have a melt down.

Jack does not need Skinner to produce, Skinner needs Jack to produce (at least produce enough to be worth that contract).

Jack makes others around him better, Skinner is a volume shooter who gains possession and creates offence for himself and nobody else.

Vesey also scored more SHG tonight then Skinner will in his 8 years here.

4 coaches haven’t trusted him enough defensively to play him in 3 on 3 OT.

But hey let’s complain about the Girgensons and Larsson’s of the world which are a small microcosm of the issue here. People here fixate on that because it’s easy.

This team sucks because we need at least one more “top end” forward, an average NHL starting goaltender, and the coach needs to actually play his best defence man more ((Joker, Montour, Dahlin (who had been better lately) and call up Pilut for frank sakes).

Scandella, McCabe, Bogo, Miller are replaceable yet useful bottom pairing defenceman that can be parted with for depth in the right move and we should keep 2 but not all 4.

Risto would be a great #5 or average #4 but we play him like he’s a #1 and is worth more to us as a trade chip then he is ringing pucks around the glass to nobody.

The day that Reinhart and Skinner are our 4th and 5th best forwards is the day we’ll finally have a top 9 forward group worth a poop. Either that or those guys step up even more and become either worth their draft status or contract.
- Pegullaville

So Skinner gets 4 shots on goal playing with Larsson

4 shots per game is 328 shots in a season. His career shooting % is 11.2

So on average he’d score 36 goals if he gets 328 shots.

So he has the ability to generate shots with Larsson at a clip where he’d score 30+ goals, and you’re convinced it’s a problem.

Weird

Skinner played with Larsson
- Pegullaville

I condensed your post for you

I took nothing away from it as should 99% of interviews with GM’s.

He also said he’s actively trying to improve the forwards and hinted that LTIR might be a reason why he can’t make a move.
- sbroads24

He's utterly lost

He's utterly lost
- jcragcrumple

Oh well. Maybe in a year and 6 months they fire him.

But it’s more than likely not happening before then

The Pegula’s like him and are too focused on the Bills to care

Oh well. Maybe in a year and 6 months they fire him.

But it’s more than likely not happening before then

The Pegula’s like him and are too focused on the Bills to care
- sbroads24

I agree. I think Botts is untouchable.

So Skinner gets 4 shots on goal playing with Larsson

4 shots per game is 328 shots in a season. His career shooting % is 11.2

So on average he’d score 36 goals if he gets 328 shots.

So he has the ability to generate shots with Larsson at a clip where he’d score 30+ goals, and you’re convinced it’s a problem.

Weird
- sbroads24

He’s on pace for 47 points this year. I know play with out the puck, PP goals, SH goals, and any type of assists don’t matter though.

He’s on pace for 47 points this year. I know play with out the puck, PP goals, SH goals, and any type of assists don’t matter though.
- Pegullaville

No. Only point totals matter.

That’s why Risto is so good man. 40+ point D man!!

He’s on pace for 47 points this year. I know play with out the puck, PP goals, SH goals, and any type of assists don’t matter though.
- Pegullaville

Mitts is on pace for half of that. He seems to be regressing badly.

No. Only point totals matter.

That’s why Risto is so good man. 40+ point D man!!
- sbroads24

And how does that overinflated contract look now that he isn’t getting the PP1 time ?

How does that contract look for Skinner and we aren’t even 25 games into it ?

Mitts is on pace for half of that. He seems to be regressing badly.
- PrinceChill

No doubt about it. I hope he can push through it.

And how does that overinflated contract look now that he isn’t getting the PP1 time ?

How does that contract look for Skinner and we aren’t even 25 games into it ?
- Pegullaville

It looks exactly the same because no one should care at all if he gets gimme PP points. He’s once again doing exactly what he’s great at. Scoring goals and producing chances and also drawing a ton of penalties

So are you back on the “he’s not that good train”?

So when he inevitably scores a bunch of goals again are you going to back track for the 10th time about how you’re “just criticizing the back end of the deal”?

It’s really hard to keep up

Botterill " I like were our team toughness is right now."

Botterill " I don't feel comfortable with a trade until it's done, we made a trade that took 14 months to complete".


How can you say this in an interview with all the media ? 14 months? and we wonder why we are stuck year after year.
- SABRES 89

You know the other gm in the deal took 14 months, too.

It wasn't just Botts. Let's not act as if it was just our GM holding things up here. It takes two.

Can you honestly tell me you listened to that interview and came away reassured with him being at the helm? He's out of answers and he's scared
- jcragcrumple

Doesn't matter what anyone's opinion is of him or what his comments supposedly "tell" you.
You can claim he sounds "scared" and "lost", but it doesn't really matter. If it makes you feel better about your opinion of him to say these things, then have at it.

However, the only opinion that matters is Pegula's. He'll either go with him again next year or he'll fire him.

Botterill " I like were our team toughness is right now."

Botterill " I don't feel comfortable with a trade until it's done, we made a trade that took 14 months to complete".


How can you say this in an interview with all the media ? 14 months? and we wonder why we are stuck year after year.
- SABRES 89

I'm not exactly a Botterill apologist, he backed himself in the corner, but some trades do take a long time. The Ryan Miller trade immediately springs to mind.

I thought Housley was lost, I'm ready for Lindy to come back.
- SABRES 89

The best post that I have seen on this site in forever.
I would love to see Lindy on the prowl behind the Sabres bench once again.

Sam almost handed the Flames the game in the third period coughing it up right in front of me in our own zone but overall he was fine.

Joker was a steal, just the little plays he makes that the causal fan doesn’t notice were remarkable. We were exiting the zone with ease when he was on the ice.

I also really liked Asplund tonight he looked like he was everywhere. Eichel was great again, Skinner had his chances.

Mojo looked like he missed the last 7 games. Mitts put one on a platter for him right in front of the net and he held it for too long.

Watching Risto and McCabe try to exit the zone looked just as painful 2 rows away from the glass as it does on the TV back at home.

Ullmark was very good but made two crucial mistakes. The first goal needs to be stopped and he shouldn’t of tried to be a hero in OT.
- Pegullaville

How about the bad play on the 2nd goal? Or are you going to blame your favorite whipping boy, Jeff "But he's Gonna be Bad in 5 Years!" Skinner for that one?

There’s so much wierd poop going on in this thread

That situation was even worse then people think.
- SABRES 89

Curious what details you have on that as I was told LaFontaine wanted nothing to do with a rebuild, wanted to extend some guys that were part of the stale culture, and that's where a big part of the disconnect came from.

That's why I mentioned before they are at a crossroads with Mitts. Some have mentioned before moving Reinhart, he won't subtract from the forwards he wants to add. His strength is on Defense so he may need to move a D man that he doesn't want to move, he won't have a choice. This Miller benching is going to get interesting.
- SABRES 89

You've said this a few times, and Botterill has said recently that he doesn't want to take away from the team's defensive depth that he likes.

Does the above mean he doesn't want to trade any of his 27 defensemen, or just the ones team's are asking about?

At this point, I'd almost trade Ristolainen and McCabe for futures just to open up more cap space for other moves and to get their stink off the team.

People talk about the mindless decision Ristolainen made in OT, but don't mention him almost giving the game away late in the 3rd if Ullmark didn't completely bail his dumb ass out.

Nope, I’m just a realist. If you can pick apart anything I’ve said on this past page though regarding the subject I’d be happy to hear it.

Skinner had 4 SOG tonight and had chances but did not produce.

If Jack had 6 points in his last 15 games this board will have a melt down.

Jack does not need Skinner to produce, Skinner needs Jack to produce (at least produce enough to be worth that contract).

Jack makes others around him better, Skinner is a volume shooter who gains possession and creates offence for himself and nobody else.

Vesey also scored more SHG tonight then Skinner will in his 8 years here.

4 coaches haven’t trusted him enough defensively to play him in 3 on 3 OT.

But hey let’s complain about the Girgensons and Larsson’s of the world which are a small microcosm of the issue here. People here fixate on that because it’s easy.

This team sucks because we need at least one more “top end” forward, an average NHL starting goaltender, and the coach needs to actually play his best defence man more ((Joker, Montour, Dahlin (who had been better lately) and call up Pilut for frank sakes).

Scandella, McCabe, Bogo, Miller are replaceable yet useful bottom pairing defenceman that can be parted with for depth in the right move and we should keep 2 but not all 4.

Risto would be a great #5 or average #4 but we play him like he’s a #1 and is worth more to us as a trade chip then he is ringing pucks around the glass to nobody.

The day that Reinhart and Skinner are our 4th and 5th best forwards is the day we’ll finally have a top 9 forward group worth a poop. Either that or those guys step up even more and become either worth their draft status or contract.
- Pegullaville

Classify this under the term crusade.

So Skinner gets 4 shots on goal playing with Larsson

4 shots per game is 328 shots in a season. His career shooting % is 11.2

So on average he’d score 36 goals if he gets 328 shots.

So he has the ability to generate shots with Larsson at a clip where he’d score 30+ goals, and you’re convinced it’s a problem.

Weird
- sbroads24

Also, imagine if the opponent had to focus any energy or concern at all about the other 2 forwards on the ice besides Skinner. Would he have more time and space to have an even better opening? I guess that doesn't matter. Hey Jeff: just make me a bicycle clown!

How about the bad play on the 2nd goal? Or are you going to blame your favorite whipping boy, Jeff "But he's Gonna be Bad in 5 Years!" Skinner for that one?
- Wetbandit1

I missed the bad play on the 2nd goal. What was it?