What's the lowdown on Addison and Hallander?
- willschulme

Top-notch skater with good speed, excellent puck-moving ability and ability to generate offense. Looks like he's a potential PP specialist. In the pre-season he definitely flashed ability to move the puck end-to-end, but he's probably still another year away from cracking an NHL lineup.

Hallander has been compared to Hornqvist. Also will likely need another year before making a real push.

While this may or may not be far off in value (I don't know much about Jarry or how the rest of the players are fairing), I can give some insight on the Devils players that may be less obvious if you aren't watching the team.

First of all, Gusev should not be traded. He started the season off terribly, but has really blossomed in the last two weeks. He's among our best despite a low trade value.

Vatanen is our most consistently good defender (yes, better than PK imo). Again, I don't know much about Pettersson, but I don't think they'll be equal value, even with the free agency status.

Taylor Hall is Taylor Hall. Prone to giveaways, kinda checked out this year, but dude straight up breaks games.
- willschulme

Oh I know all about Gusev breaking out. I started out by saying Rust = Gusev but changed it. I think Rust right now is worth more, just my opinion. Until this last start Jarry was #1 in sv% and GAA. Just depends on how much stock Shero puts in it. All around for value I think it’s a fair proposal

Usually I’d say we don’t have the horses to make this kind of trade without being outbid, but we have more cap flexibility right now than a contender usually would in the middle of the season since we were able to dump Gudbranson without taking money back. That makes things interesting.

I’m going to take a stab at it, roast away 🤪

To Pittsburgh: Taylor Hall, Sami Vatanen, Nikita Gusev

To NJD: Alex Galchenyuk, Bryan Rust, Marcus Pettersson, Nick Bjugstad, Tristan Jarry, 2020 1st, 2021 2nd

NJD gets their goalie, some young forwards, a younger LD, futures, and some players they may be able to fit/flip. No conditions as Pitt was given permission to talk to Hall and his agent beforehand and negotiated a 7x11 contract which is somewhat frontloaded with bonuses but more importantly lockout proof

Here’s my reasoning: UFA Vats for RFA Petts is probably somewhat close in value give or take. To a team like NJ Jarry is probably about worth Gusev. Then they get a more than fair haul for Hall. I’ll miss Rust more than most but this what we’d get

Jake-Sid-Hall
Gusev-Geno-Kahun
Tanev-McCann-Hornqvist
Simon-Blueger-ZAR

Dumo-Letang
Vats-Marino
JJ-Kola

MM
DeSmith
- WSCTeton17

You would play hall on his off wing? Sounds Bylsma-ish

You would play hall on his off wing? Sounds Bylsma-ish
- 10inchTerror

I wouldn’t but I think Sullivan would try it. I would have Jake on his off wing since he sucks on the breakout anyways

I wouldn’t but I think Sullivan would try it. I would have Jake on his off wing since he sucks on the breakout anyways
- WSCTeton17

I think I’d keep guentzel and geno together and put Sid with Hall. I think their speedy games would mesh better. Keep the goal scorers on their strong side. If I was to swap someone to their off wing it would be Gusev to rw since he is actually right handed. Either that or he could stay lw with McCann and put kahun on rw... anyway it goes that would be one hell of a lineup.

What's the lowdown on Addison and Hallander?
- willschulme

Addison is a puck moving defenseman about to turn pro next year. Considered possibly the team's best prospect and we know Shero loves puck moving defensemen.

Hallinder a well rounded forward. He hasn't broken out offensively though he started the year looking like he would before a season ending injury. Both are second rounders.

Jarry is our backup who is doing really well (starting to take games from Murray) and may have starters potential. Shero traded up for him when he was Pens GM, so that's another fit.

Other teams can offer better than us, of course.

I think I’d keep guentzel and geno together and put Sid with Hall. I think their speedy games would mesh better. Keep the goal scorers on their strong side. If I was to swap someone to their off wing it would be Gusev to rw since he is actually right handed. Either that or he could stay lw with McCann and put kahun on rw... anyway it goes that would be one hell of a lineup.
- 10inchTerror

That big ass trade wouldn't happen anyway haha. Its funny when trades get out of hand and people keep adding pieces on either side to make it "even". I get it but Hall would be the only worthy piece coming this way IF it were to happen haha

That big ass trade wouldn't happen anyway haha. Its funny when trades get out of hand and people keep adding pieces on either side to make it "even". I get it but Hall would be the only worthy piece coming this way IF it were to happen haha
- 668710

I know Hall won’t end up a pen but it’s still fun to discuss different ideas/lineup options.

Taylor Hall is good, Simon sucks and pens are soft. Hopefully someone cheap shots Geno on his first shift just enough to piss him off. He’s awesome to watch when he’s pissed.

That big ass trade wouldn't happen anyway haha. Its funny when trades get out of hand and people keep adding pieces on either side to make it "even". I get it but Hall would be the only worthy piece coming this way IF it were to happen haha
- 668710

People also said Gretzky would never be traded. The Leafs, their fans, and many others said you couldn’t win a cup with Phil Kessel. We here said we couldn’t win without Letang and with Hainset on the roster. Here we are

Edit: I bet you Shero’s staff told him they wouldn’t get Hall one for one and yet here we are 😂

People also said Gretzky would never be traded. The Leafs, their fans, and many others said you couldn’t win a cup with Phil Kessel. We here said we couldn’t win without Letang and with Hainset on the roster. Here we are
- WSCTeton17

So you truly believe Hall, Vantanan and Gusev would come in one trade? I'm not saying we can't get Hall, but all three of them? C'mon

People also said Gretzky would never be traded. The Leafs, their fans, and many others said you couldn’t win a cup with Phil Kessel. We here said we couldn’t win without Letang and with Hainset on the roster. Here we are

Edit: I bet you Shero’s staff told him they wouldn’t get Hall one for one and yet here we are 😂
- WSCTeton17

I doubt that Sheri's staff said that. Shero is a trade machine. Larsson for Hall was a ripping and Goligoski for Neal AND Nisk was robbery. Hossa and Dupuis for scraps was another crazy one.

Rusty back to PIT for evaluation: https://mobile.twitter.co...tatus/1200913529777410048
Sam, please don't play the same old song... again!

Matt Murray + Bjukjakstad for
Hall + Blackwood + conditional pick if Hall doesn't re-sign with Pens

So you truly believe Hall, Vantanan and Gusev would come in one trade? I'm not saying we can't get Hall, but all three of them? C'mon
- 668710

I’m saying it’s possible just like how a Gretzky trade was possible. Is it likely? No. Is a Hall to Pittsburgh trade even likely? No - I think STL is much more likely to pull the trigger, but if it were to happen that’s what I’d be comfortable giving up

Lots of recent trades with complexities including *big inhale*: Duchene, Zaitsev, Barrie, McCann, Karlsson, Hinostroza, ROR, Dougie Hamilton, when TBL got Miller & McDonagh

We don’t need Goose or Vats if we’re already adding Hall but I like to go big and hell so does GMJR. If we’re simply targeting Hall then my proposal has more futures like Rino’s: Galchenyuk, Jarry, Hallander, and a 2nd next season with a conditional 1st this season if Hall signs in Pitt

Matt Murray + Bjukjakstad for
Hall + Blackwood + conditional pick if Hall doesn't re-sign with Pens
- stackthepads

Lol waiting for this.. but I wouldn’t say no!

Ryan Wilson claiming Taylor Hall's career has been a waste is (frank)ing laughable.

I’m saying it’s possible just like how a Gretzky trade was possible. Is it likely? No. Is a Hall to Pittsburgh trade even likely? No - I think STL is much more likely to pull the trigger, but if it were to happen that’s what I’d be comfortable giving up

Lots of recent trades with complexities including *big inhale*: Duchene, Zaitsev, Barrie, McCann, Karlsson, Hinostroza, ROR, Dougie Hamilton, when TBL got Miller & McDonagh

We don’t need Goose or Vats if we’re already adding Hall but I like to go big and hell so does GMJR. If we’re simply targeting Hall then my proposal has more futures like Rino’s: Galchenyuk, Jarry, Hallander, and a 2nd next season with a conditional 1st this season if Hall signs in Pitt
- WSCTeton17

There were other big trades but don't bring the Gretzky one into this. That was to help grow the game and I feel the NHL wanted that to happen and not really Edmonton or Gretz. But others like Roy, Bourque, Forsberg, Jagr etc..

Matt Murray + Bjukjakstad for
Hall + Blackwood + conditional pick if Hall doesn't re-sign with Pens
- stackthepads

so... you trade a RFA goalie with 2 Stanley Cups for a guy who is going to be available for no assets on July 1st?

I just dont get the hate for Matt Murray. Having a young goalie, this far developed already is huge. I dont know why we just want to give him away.

If the right deal exists for Hall, it will be for non-important roster players, picks, and propsects. With what the Devils are going to be looking for, I dont think the Penguins should spend those assets. I hate trading decent assets for a few months of service. The Penguins forward depth is fine as is.

I agree with RW that getting Malkin a superstar winger would be awesome. I'd just wait until July 1st to do it. I dont think the Penguins's chances this season are tied to getting Taylor Hall.

so... you trade a RFA goalie with 2 Stanley Cups for a guy who is going to be available for no assets on July 1st?

I just dont get the hate for Matt Murray. Having a young goalie, this far developed already is huge. I dont know why we just want to give him away.

If the right deal exists for Hall, it will be for non-important roster players, picks, and propsects. With what the Devils are going to be looking for, I dont think the Penguins should spend those assets. I hate trading decent assets for a few months of service. The Penguins forward depth is fine as is.

I agree with RW that getting Malkin a superstar winger would be awesome. I'd just wait until July 1st to do it. I dont think the Penguins's chances this season are tied to getting Taylor Hall.
- SuperHenderson13

Stanley Cups are a team trophy, last i checked MM has no vezina trophies. Blackwood is a rookie goalie with alot of promise and Jarry is just as good as MM already.
I'd much rather watch Hall speeding down the wing sniping wristers than Murray letting in a couple softies every game.

so... you trade a RFA goalie with 2 Stanley Cups for a guy who is going to be available for no assets on July 1st?

I just dont get the hate for Matt Murray. Having a young goalie, this far developed already is huge. I dont know why we just want to give him away.

If the right deal exists for Hall, it will be for non-important roster players, picks, and propsects. With what the Devils are going to be looking for, I dont think the Penguins should spend those assets. I hate trading decent assets for a few months of service. The Penguins forward depth is fine as is.

I agree with RW that getting Malkin a superstar winger would be awesome. I'd just wait until July 1st to do it. I dont think the Penguins's chances this season are tied to getting Taylor Hall.
- SuperHenderson13

I don't hate Murray

I hate the 7-8 Million he's fixing to get on his next contract. I'd rather go cheap, Jarry and a veteran and spend the money elsewhere, Especially if Murray can be traded for a nice asset

So who was the last big name player like Taylor Hall to be acquired at or around the trade deadline and he was a big reason that team won the Cup?

Hint: Ron Hainey is not one of them.
- stevens87

When is the last time a guy like Taylor Hall was available at the deadline? I get what you're saying, but most years there isn't a game breaker of this magnitude.

Hossa was a good comparable as he elevated the Pens above the rest of a pretty weak East.

I could see that happening in the West this year where there isn't a dominant team. Pens are a step below Tampa and Boston, so a big move can get them closer to even footing and pushes them above what's going to be a tough Metro playoff.

Ryan Wilson claiming Taylor Hall's career has been a waste is (frank)ing laughable.
- RonPielep

I don’t. He’s saying that obviously in a certain context. Not that his actual career is a waste but for someone of his caliber to be at 5 career playoff games. Edmonton wasn’t the lucky team for always picking 1st overall. Hall is the lucky charm because everywhere he goes is drafting 1st overall.

They really should try Galch on geno’s rw. Has to be better than Simon.