Barely man.

Ceci could of not wanted SB.

And we can all agree the Leafs would be a worse team without him right now. No one is replacing his 22 mins on the RS.
- Santo_44

All I did was indicate that I didn't think the leafs original plan was to trade him during the year by mentioning they didn't give him a signing bonus. That's all. It's not even a strong opinion I hold, it was just a contrary point.

I think koski only had one game no?
Need to see more from him.
- Fakepartofme

Agreed

Wasn't it that Pittsburgh game where it looked like the entire team was on strike, too?

I was just pointing out that there are a lot of people in here with strange double standards.
Babcock didnt do anything close as bad as new Jesus Keefe - however it's easy to kick people in the back and be part of the 'speaking about defending people's rights, so i'm really cool' crew
- MaximusAurelius

If the Keefe/James stuff was kept quiet and nothing had already come to a head, then def we would be talking about him in the same fashion as others.

That stuff is something that played out publicly and its not something that was just uncovered this week by some of the victims coming forward.

So its understandable its not a focus like others at this time

*Except when the abuser is new fan favourite Keefe
- MaximusAurelius

That's amazing

You better go and have a full check-up, buddy

Agreed

Wasn't it that Pittsburgh game where it looked like the entire team was on strike, too?
- RickJames77

Allowed 6 goals...still the best player for the Leafs.

That's amazing

You better go and have a full check-up, buddy
- 21peter

The guy is a raving lunatic. Serious mental health issues.

Oh good, you are still on this.

I was worried you had come to your senses and figured out that a 16-year-old who was under the weird influence of a cultish agent (and the 16-year-old never committed a crime) should be cut a little slack.

Carry on.
- Atomic Wedgie

a bad matchup for the Leafs?
- senstroll

JvR will get a hatty, Leafs win 5-3

JvR will get a hatty, Leafs win 5-3
- PatC80

somehow Kessel and Bozak will also get assists on the goals

That's amazing

You better go and have a full check-up, buddy
- 21peter

somehow Kessel and Bozak will also get assists on the goals
- senstroll

I hate when that happens

I hate when that happens
- PatC80

JvR will get a hatty, Leafs win 5-3
- PatC80

All three goals will be from using that highly-effective little twirly shot where he stands below the goal line and tries to flip it into the net between his legs, with the goalie standing in front of him, completely covering the net.

The guy is a raving lunatic. Serious mental health issues.
- Steven_Seagull

It's like his goal is to try to talk himself into trouble - specially when doing the repetitive stuff...

He used to have some interesting ideas, but when you hear an idea being YELLED out on a daily basis...

somehow Kessel and Bozak will also get assists on the goals
- senstroll

I doubt it.

You can't win a Stanley Cup with guys like that.

If the Keefe/James stuff was kept quiet and nothing had already come to a head, then def we would be talking about him in the same fashion as others.

That stuff is something that played out publicly and its not something that was just uncovered this week by some of the victims coming forward.

So its understandable its not a focus like others at this time
- senstroll

Especially if the person involved was a grown adult rather than a 16 year old who has yet, to anybody's knowledge, ever been charged with a crime.

All I did was indicate that I didn't think the leafs original plan was to trade him during the year by mentioning they didn't give him a signing bonus. That's all. It's not even a strong opinion I hold, it was just a contrary point.
- Leafs43

Yep, and I think that’s a bad assumption to make based on not having a SB bonus.

It’s pretty likely Ceci did not want SB. Why? He probably wants to ensure he has a good long shot with a team to prove his worth.

The no signing bonus makes him less tradable early in the year.

But come TDL? It doesn’t make him less tradable.

So for Dubas...if Ceci didn’t want SB does he lose him for nothing? I’m glad he didn’t...the D would be a lot worse.

I doubt it.

You can't win a Stanley Cup with guys like that.
- Atomic Wedgie

Kessel hasn't won a Cup in 3 years.

I doubt it.

You can't win a Stanley Cup with guys like that.
- Atomic Wedgie

So true

Agreed

Wasn't it that Pittsburgh game where it looked like the entire team was on strike, too?
- RickJames77

I believe so.

Yep, and I think that’s a bad assumption to make based on not having a SB bonus.

It’s pretty likely Ceci did not want SB. Why? He probably wants to ensure he has a good long shot with a team to prove his worth.

The no signing bonus makes him less tradable early in the year.

But come TDL? It doesn’t make him less tradable.

So for Dubas...if Ceci didn’t want SB does he lose him for nothing? I’m glad he didn’t...the D would be a lot worse.
- Santo_44

You realize I made one simple point, right?
You are arguing against yourself, because I didn't make any of the assertions you are arguing against.

So, when do Kessel and the boys start telling us Ron Wilson stories?

Oh good, you are still on this.

I was worried you had come to your senses and figured out that a 16-year-old who was under the weird influence of a cultish agent (and the 16-year-old never committed a crime) should be cut a little slack.

Carry on.
- Atomic Wedgie

I was watching some show thing a few weeks ago. There was a part in it about the human brain. Young males do not have the ability to properly distinguish there rights and wrongs and decision making until the age of 18-19. This is due to the frontal lobe of the brain not being fully developed until such time. Hence outside influences such as peer pressure are a command factor for bad decision making.
I'm not a doctor or a scientist so who the (frank) knows. I'm just repeating some poop I heard...

Interesting to read these former disgruntled players. Chelios sounds disappointed in his use in his aging years... and this is news? Chelios was like what, 45? The Franzen interview is odd. What did Mike actually do? Yell at him a few times? Maybe Franzen has trouble sleeping from all the concussions he got? Didn't they end his career?

I think what must be kept in mind is that professional hockey cannot be compared to a normal workplace. If so, then what other workplace allows guys to bash each others faces in and simply get a 5 minute penalty? Or allows some guys to lick others faces with no consequences? Or has rampant drug use? Physical abuse and racism has no place, but some of this sounds like sour grapes imo...

So, when do Kessel and the boys start telling us Ron Wilson stories?
- Hockey_Reverend

Isn't Wilson in bad health and basically retired? I think they're going after people that are working/could still potentially work.