Ryan Nugent Hopkins for Ristolainen?

Imagine the hate RNH would get here after a few games due to not meeting his number one overall pick status.
- kingcong39

There was some chatter about that over the summer, but this trade makes no sense for Edmonton right now given their spot in the standings.

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- BareMetal

Is that cocaine?

Ryan Nugent Hopkins for Ristolainen?

Imagine the hate RNH would get here after a few games due to not meeting his number one overall pick status.
- kingcong39

The Sabres wouldn’t have drafted him 1st overall.

If it takes Risto to get RNH, would it take Risto to acquire the 1st overall pick in this upcoming draft ?

The asset used to acquire said player is much different.

Secondary assists are skill plays too. I have seen hundreds of skilled secondary assist plays around the league this year.

If Eichel exits the zone with possession, gains the blue line, maintains possession and o-zone time and finds Risto at the point whom takes a shot and Reinhart taps in the rebound that’s supposed to look bad on Eichel ?

What amount of skill did Conor Sheary need on his two goals the other night ? One he buried a rebound with the goalie down and out, the other shot he took was going over the net until Domingue blockered it into his own net.

Not everything is black and white.

All points count and matter.

If “secondary assists” are so darn easy for the other 98% of the NHL why is it so hard for Skinner to rack up any of them ?

Pass, find someone with his play style, though. Would help a lot.
- TheSabresTaco

This right here

I did not realize he was that old already

This right here

I did not realize he was that old already
- ieetbred

One thing I never understood in a lot of sports.
Does the coach have some input on guys who he thinks would fit his style. Like are there not guys Count Dracula would tell Botts this guy who fit well here etc?

Secondary assists are skill plays too. I have seen hundreds of skilled secondary assist plays around the league this year.

If Eichel exits the zone with possession, gains the blue line, maintains possession and o-zone time and finds Risto at the point whom takes a shot and Reinhart taps in the rebound that’s supposed to look bad on Eichel ?

What amount of skill did Conor Sheary need on his two goals the other night ? One he buried a rebound with the goalie down and out, the other shot he took was going over the net until Domingue blockered it into his own net.

Not everything is black and white.

All points count and matter.

If “secondary assists” are so darn easy for the other 98% of the NHL why is it so hard for Skinner to rack up any of them ?
- Pegullaville

A. Who ever said it's "bad" to get them? No one.
B. If you take 100 random goals and compare them to 100 random secondary assists, a large majority of the goals are a result of skill, and the majority of secondary assists are random plays that cannot be attributed to specific things. Hell, how many secondary assists do you see added a day, or hours after the game? Dahlin had 2 this year where you can't even definitively see him touch the puck. It's absolutely asinine to say they are the same thing
C. Yes, all points count the same on the score sheet. They **ARE NOT** the same value to a team in terms of player evlaluation. I cannot believe you can't, or refuse to grasp this point.

John Carlson is **not** more valuable to the Capitals offense than Alex Ovechkin is. Period.

There is a reason why these things are measured, and seperated. It's to accurately assess value to a specific team/player.

I'm sure there are a ton of secondary assists Eichel has that were him starting a play.

There's also a ton where he was just cycling the puck on the PP. They're are very few goals he has that cannot be attributed to his skill

Secondary assists are skill plays too. I have seen hundreds of skilled secondary assist plays around the league this year.

If Eichel exits the zone with possession, gains the blue line, maintains possession and o-zone time and finds Risto at the point whom takes a shot and Reinhart taps in the rebound that’s supposed to look bad on Eichel ?

What amount of skill did Conor Sheary need on his two goals the other night ? One he buried a rebound with the goalie down and out, the other shot he took was going over the net until Domingue blockered it into his own net.

Not everything is black and white.

All points count and matter.


If “secondary assists” are so darn easy for the other 98% of the NHL why is it so hard for Skinner to rack up any of them ?
- Pegullaville

If we are going to go after secondary assists then why not go after empty net goals?

as for the difficult for him to get them Id say cause hes supposed to be the shooter so its a cycle till he shoots and isnt looking to pass?

Jesus Christ, 31 pages on this blog and 26 of them about Skinner. Give it a F ING rest already.

Well that was some boring, time killing back reading...

A Hubie sighting

More Skinner and his contract talk

Reinhart talk

But where is the move the dead weight out talk?

Jack Sam, and Skinner are not the issues

It's the Sheary's the Vesey's (not the one of late though), the Girgensons, the Okposo's, the E-Rods, that are the reason this team isn't better

That is before we even mention the defense and goaltending

Sheesh

Wanting more out of a guy is all fine and good I want my 2010 Ford Fusion to go zero to 60 in 3 seconds but guess what it's just not going to happen...

Sam will finish around 60 points

Skinner will finish around 32 goals

This is what they average and this is what they need to do every season

Again the issues lie within the rest of the roster
- Stripes77

It's not a black and white discussion like our society likes to think things through. Reinhart and Skinner both in our top six is not good enough and Reinhart having 11 assists at this point in the season after playing with Jack and on the #1 PP is a problem. Not being a natural winger with size or speed is a problem.

Skinner well we know about his turn it on turn it off one-dimensional play and these are supposed to be this team's top players. Compare them to other teams top 2nd and 3rd best players and who are at the top of the league.

Then there is our bottom six Grigs is a grinder of sorts who kills penalties, Vesey is picking up speed and kills penalties, Larsson takes up space. Okposo is overpaid and a 4th line grinder who has seen better days. Sheary is player bad teams have until they develop prospects.

The bottom 6 was never going to get the Sabres to the playoffs on their own but it needs to be more talented and productive but isn't the sole problem. You live and die by your top end talent. The Bills Oline could have a great game Sunday but if Josh Allen, Devin Singletary and John Brown don't bring it they are in trouble.

He's helping Larsson actually put points on the board. That by itself is something of a Christmas miracle.
- kingcong39

Hahaha...but I expect SOOOO much more from Larsson!!!

Radulov a healthy scratch for Dallas tonight. Perhaps the rumored deal was a Western conference team and not a West coast team. Would be a good RW to get, however is already 33 and has 2 more years at $6.25m. Slow start this year, but did have 72 points each of the last two seasons. I would think Bogo would be a good start of an offer due to cap hit and perhaps that is what JBotts was referring to when he said a lot of teams were working with the LTIR.

One thing I never understood in a lot of sports.
Does the coach have some input on guys who he thinks would fit his style. Like are there not guys Count Dracula would tell Botts this guy who fit well here etc?
- hubie

I would imagine he has some input or at least a wish list

Then again I'd be hard pressed to find anyone who wouldn't want a player like Oshie

Hahaha...but I expect SOOOO much more from Larsson!!!
- Bufsaints8

It’s amazing people actually think Skinner isn’t producing when everyone who he plays with produces

Just a giant coincidence

It's not a black and white discussion like our society likes to think things through. Reinhart and Skinner both in our top six is not good enough and Reinhart having 11 assists at this point in the season after playing with Jack and on the #1 PP is a problem. Not being a natural winger with size or speed is a problem.

Skinner well we know about his turn it on turn it off one-dimensional play and these are supposed to be this team's top players. Compare them to other teams top 2nd and 3rd best players and who are at the top of the league.

Then there is our bottom six Grigs is a grinder of sorts who kills penalties, Vesey is picking up speed and kills penalties, Larsson takes up space. Okposo is overpaid and a 4th line grinder who has seen better days. Sheary is player bad teams have until they develop prospects.




The bottom 6 was never going to get the Sabres to the playoffs on their own but it needs to be more talented and productive but isn't the sole problem. You live and die by your top end talent. The Bills Oline could have a great game Sunday but if Josh Allen, Devin Singletary and John Brown don't bring it they are in trouble.
- GilPerreault11

You really need to get off that kick because it's just not true

As far as the football analogy that doesn't work here

If the Bills O-Line has a bad game then nobody is going to have a great game

If Allen has a bad game then Brown doesn't have a good game

It all goes hand in hand in football...not so much in hockey

Jeff Skinner is irrelevant.

E12

You really need to get off that kick because it's just not true

As far as the football analogy that doesn't work here

If the Bills O-Line has a bad game then nobody is going to have a great game

If Allen has a bad game then Brown doesn't have a good game

It all goes hand in hand in football...not so much in hockey
- Stripes77

Not true

Another denier, are you on the he draws penalties once in awhile train because he doesn't set up plays see his assist total, primary assists

And how how about if Tremaine Edmonds or TreDavious White doesn't bring they are in trouble? Better?

Think gray and you will be a deeper, better thinker not black and white.

you people suck

Secondary assists are skill plays too. I have seen hundreds of skilled secondary assist plays around the league this year.

If Eichel exits the zone with possession, gains the blue line, maintains possession and o-zone time and finds Risto at the point whom takes a shot and Reinhart taps in the rebound that’s supposed to look bad on Eichel ?

What amount of skill did Conor Sheary need on his two goals the other night ? One he buried a rebound with the goalie down and out, the other shot he took was going over the net until Domingue blockered it into his own net.

Not everything is black and white.

All points count and matter.

If “secondary assists” are so darn easy for the other 98% of the NHL why is it so hard for Skinner to rack up any of them ?
- Pegullaville

Sheary's first goal was actually pretty impressive. Domignue might never play in the league again because of the second.

I'm not saying secondary assists are necessarily easy. It's still a point in the NHL. What they are though is "secondary" and two more very good plays without possession being lost must come after the secondary assist for a goal to be scored. So, While all points do count they really aren't all the same. Sometimes that secondary assist is a 5 foot touch pass to Eichel, sometimes it's breaking the puck cleanly out of the zone. Never is a secondary assist driving the puck to the net drawing two defenders and finding an open man who has time and space to score.

Not true

Another denier, are you on the he draws penalties once in awhile train because he doesn't set up plays see his assist total, primary assists

And how how about if Tremaine Edmonds or TreDavious White doesn't bring they are in trouble? Better?

Think gray and you will be a deeper, better thinker not black and white.
- GilPerreault11

Jeff Skinner is consistently one of if not the most analytically positive player on this team. Regardless of the amount of points he puts up, which is consistently in 50-60.

Jeff Skinner is irrelevant.

E12
- TheSabresTaco

I can picture all of you fawning over Skinner and Reinhart doing the same for Vanek, Roy, Connolly etc during the Dary years where they could do no wrong either. Blind loyalty looks so juvenile after a while.

11 f*cking assists for Reinhart and he is supposed to be a playmaker. Some nights you never notice him. I just want to notice the top end players, is that too much to ask?

Jeff Skinner is consistently one of if not the most analytically positive player on this team. Regardless of the amount of points he puts up, which is consistently in 50-60.
- TheSabresTaco

I give up...

Jeff Skinner is consistently one of if not the most analytically positive player on this team. Regardless of the amount of points he puts up, which is consistently in 50-60.
- TheSabresTaco

Evander Kane shot the puck into the vest a lot too. He killed penalties and had a big body though too but what that didn't make him very popular not that I'm saying it should have. I'm just wondering why these supposed analytics for Skinner give him one.

Secondary assists are skill plays too. I have seen hundreds of skilled secondary assist plays around the league this year.

If Eichel exits the zone with possession, gains the blue line, maintains possession and o-zone time and finds Risto at the point whom takes a shot and Reinhart taps in the rebound that’s supposed to look bad on Eichel ?

What amount of skill did Conor Sheary need on his two goals the other night ? One he buried a rebound with the goalie down and out, the other shot he took was going over the net until Domingue blockered it into his own net.

Not everything is black and white.

All points count and matter.

If “secondary assists” are so darn easy for the other 98% of the NHL why is it so hard for Skinner to rack up any of them ?
- Pegullaville

Reading 20 pages of this is going to lead to secondary assisted suicide

From Spector's page:
"Friedman also reports the Devils have put winger Miles Wood on the trade block. He’s signed through 2021-22 with an annual average value of $2.75 million but isn’t as aggressive or edgy as he was in the past.

SPECTOR’S NOTE: A club seeking a speedy winger with power-forward potential could make a pitch for the 24-year-old Wood. No word on the Devils’ possible asking price, but it could be an NHL-ready player."

Born in Buffalo, son of Randy, could be a swap of scenery guy that could be got for a good price. Bottom six guy who could move up or down as needed.