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manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 7:21 AM ET
JTM, man was I wrong about that deal. He does it all.
- VanHockeyGuy

I had no trouble with the trade but I was sure wrong on what he could bring. Nobody, in here or anywhere would have predicted that he do what he's doing.

Jim's trade history just went up a few notches. Doesn't mean I want him to do it again.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 7:28 AM ET
I am not worried about the E Draft. We will need to lose someone . I think it is fine that we have that that many good players that we can not protect everyone.

I also think that major trades are less likely to happen. I don't see us giving up any more firsts.

I think if we were to try to make an impact trade it would cost a lot like Madden Gaudette Podk Hoglander ( one or more than one)

I expect Marky to be re-signed . I think Tanev or Stech will be moved but Tanev could return.

Leivo and Pearson are still growing one me . I am not sure how much more needs to be done. Maybe relax and see wat this year brings , reevaluate and tweak.

- VANTEL

Canucks may actually have a salary cap problem if this season continues the way it is.

Gaudette will get a small raise. Leivo and Virtanen if continue and put up near 40 points which they are on pace for. They aren't taking 1.5 again.

A pair of Lou/i cap hits are going to hurt for the next two years.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 7:36 AM ET
The Bruins give out a brutal contract to Charlie Coyle. 5.25 for a career 40 point player.

Doesn't help Van's case for Virtanen or Leivo.

Can't be giving out 6.44% to a third liner.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 9:12 AM ET
https://twitter.com/WHLHi...tatus/1203544951847473152

Jett Woo with the OT winner.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 8 @ 9:23 AM ET
I had no trouble with the trade but I was sure wrong on what he could bring. Nobody, in here or anywhere would have predicted that he do what he's doing.

Jim's trade history just went up a few notches. Doesn't mean I want him to do it again.

- manvanfan


I wouldn't let go of the 1st and 3rd. But look what we got, happy to be wrong on this.

manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 9:28 AM ET
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No Rodion Amirov at the Russian WJC camp. Historically, the team shies away from draft-eligible kids, but I figured he'd get a look at camp.

Vasily Podkolzin is of course there as a returning player.

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3 points in 7 games last season for Podz at the WJC.
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 8 @ 9:37 AM ET
lol did they? two blown 2 goal leads?

Don't get me wrong glad they got the two points but wow this team needs work closing games out.

- LordHumungous

I agree with your whining.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 9:38 AM ET
I wouldn't let go of the 1st and 3rd. But look what we got, happy to be wrong on this.
- VanHockeyGuy

Sadly, next year he could be an absolute (frank)en bust.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 8 @ 9:53 AM ET
Sadly, next year he could be an absolute (frank)en bust.
- manvanfan


If you want to look at it that way, those picks may never become NHL players.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 9:56 AM ET
If you want to look at it that way, those picks may never become NHL players.
- VanHockeyGuy

So true.

I enjoy the freak outs after.

There are so many ways it could turn out.

The only thing that will let us know is time.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 8 @ 9:59 AM ET
So true.

I enjoy the freak outs after.

There are so many ways it could turn out.

The only thing that will let us know is time.

- manvanfan


JTM's still young, but old enough to help the kids out. I think he'll get better as the stakes get higher.
VanHockeyGuy
Location: “Who are we to think we’re anybody?” - Tocchet. Penticton, BC
Joined: 04.26.2012

Dec 8 @ 10:03 AM ET
Vantel, here's your morning chuckle

https://twitter.com/TheFi...tatus/1203667187753463809
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 10:08 AM ET
Vantel, here's your morning chuckle

https://twitter.com/TheFi...tatus/1203667187753463809

- VanHockeyGuy

I didn't listen to it but i've got just a big frown on my face like.... why.....
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 10:15 AM ET
JTM's still young, but old enough to help the kids out. I think he'll get better as the stakes get higher.
- VanHockeyGuy

Given what we know about NHL skater aging based on various methods and approaches (which I covered in more detail in part 1), I find it very interesting that this WAR model, for the most part, lines up with the generally held belief that skaters peak around 24-25 years old and decline gradually after that (there does seem to be some indication here that the decline of players over 30 might not be as steep as is often assumed). While some of the individual components do not show this, the EV Overall WAR and Overall WAR numbers do – I might argue they strengthen this notion. As we get more data, these curves may change, but for right now EV Overall WAR and Overall WAR seem to support what we already know. From an aging perspective, this metric makes sense. In my opinion, that alone lends credence to its validity.

https://hockey-graphs.com...s-for-nhl-skaters-part-2/

I just find this really hard to believe that players peak at 24-25 other than that's when they mature and stop thinking about only scoring but playing a 200' game will win more titles.

Some players don't peak until 26
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 8 @ 10:18 AM ET
Vantel, here's your morning chuckle

https://twitter.com/TheFi...tatus/1203667187753463809

- VanHockeyGuy



Another Arkansas inbred
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Dec 8 @ 10:19 AM ET
https://hockey-graphs.com/2017/04/10/a-new-look-at-aging-curves-for-nhl-skaters-part-2/

I just find this really hard to believe that players peak at 24-25 other than that's when they mature and stop thinking about only scoring but playing a 200' game will win more titles.

Some players don't peak until 26

- manvanfan


I think the term "peak" is misleading. Indicates they decline (sharply) after that, where most players just plateau for a few years...? And like you said, they round their game out more and realize what else you have to do to win games. Whatevers. I think JT Miller is a great add at the right time for this club
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 10:29 AM ET
I think the term "peak" is misleading. Indicates they decline (sharply) after that, where most players just plateau for a few years...? And like you said, they round their game out more and realize what else you have to do to win games. Whatevers. I think JT Miller is a great add at the right time for this club
- NewYorkNuck

I would say the same. I think there are ebb and flows in players careers. To try and lump them all together when all players are different is a hard. Different teams, systems, coaches, can be changed.

Kane just put his best NHL statically at age 30.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 8 @ 10:36 AM ET
Canucks may actually have a salary cap problem if this season continues the way it is.

Gaudette will get a small raise. Leivo and Virtanen if continue and put up near 40 points which they are on pace for. They aren't taking 1.5 again.

A pair of Lou/i cap hits are going to hurt for the next two years.

- manvanfan


I see the numbes but am not concerned. 17 mil with 14 players. I imagine the cap will go up by 2 mil (average) and Canucks will probably buy out Sven saving another 1.6.

That gives them a little over 20 mil.

I think Marky will get 6 mil
Stecher will be replaced with Rafferty at 700K
Fatburger back for a mil.
Zack replaces Schaller @700k
Jake 1.5
Lievo 1.8

This all ads up to close to 12 mil with a 20 man roster leaving you 8 mil to sign two players like Barrie or Tanev and a prospect ?
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 8 @ 10:54 AM ET
I see the numbes but am not concerned. 17 mil with 14 players. I imagine the cap will go up by 2 mil (average) and Canucks will probably buy out Sven saving another 1.6.

That gives them a little over 20 mil.

I think Marky will get 6 mil
Stecher will be replaced with Rafferty at 700K
Fatburger back for a mil.
Zack replaces Schaller @700k
Jake 1.5
Lievo 1.8

This all ads up to close to 12 mil with a 20 man roster leaving you 8 mil to sign two players like Barrie or Tanev and a prospect ?

- VANTEL

The cap rules changing help as well.
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 8 @ 10:56 AM ET
Comets Cory
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The Comets power play is currently 4th overall in the AHL

Their PK is 3rd

Boucher leads the league with 17 goals/3rd overall in points

DiPietro is the top rookie G in the AHL/14th overall in AHL

Rafferty is tied for top scoring rookie D in the AHL/10th overall in AHL
VANTEL
Joined: 07.03.2010

Dec 8 @ 10:57 AM ET
The cap rules changing help as well.
- Marwood


Take it to the bank. You know it.
NewYorkNuck
Vancouver Canucks
Location: New York, NY
Joined: 07.11.2015

Dec 8 @ 11:03 AM ET
I see the numbes but am not concerned. 17 mil with 14 players. I imagine the cap will go up by 2 mil (average) and Canucks will probably buy out Sven saving another 1.6.

That gives them a little over 20 mil.

I think Marky will get 6 mil
Stecher will be replaced with Rafferty at 700K
Fatburger back for a mil.
Zack replaces Schaller @700k
Jake 1.5
Lievo 1.8

This all ads up to close to 12 mil with a 20 man roster leaving you 8 mil to sign two players like Barrie or Tanev and a prospect ?

- VANTEL


Benning said this offseason that they had different cap scenarios all planned out, and it seems so far they have it managed. I hope after LE gets his next bonus he gets traded or goes on LTIR.

Don't want them to go after any more high priced UFAs. They'll have to pay Petey then Hughes, and don't want to tie up some long-term contracts that will diminish before they're ready to truly compete.
manvanfan
Vancouver Canucks
Location: MB
Joined: 01.21.2012

Dec 8 @ 11:11 AM ET
I see the numbes but am not concerned. 17 mil with 14 players. I imagine the cap will go up by 2 mil (average) and Canucks will probably buy out Sven saving another 1.6.

That gives them a little over 20 mil.

I think Marky will get 6 mil
Stecher will be replaced with Rafferty at 700K
Fatburger back for a mil.
Zack replaces Schaller @700k
Jake 1.5
Lievo 1.8

This all ads up to close to 12 mil with a 20 man roster leaving you 8 mil to sign two players like Barrie or Tanev and a prospect ?

- VANTEL

You make it sound so easy

I can't see Jake and Josh taking 300K raises only.

Sutter and Loui to the minors would allow about 10 million in cap space. Upon further review. Even allowing raises to Virtanen and leaving to jump to 700K and Gaudette at 1.3

Man, I've got to be missing something that the Canucks could have 10 million in cap space with only 3 spots available. Which would probably be entry levels. So 6 million when all said and done.

LordHumungous
Vancouver Canucks
Location: Greetings from the Humungous. Ayatollah of rock and rolla!
Joined: 08.15.2014

Dec 8 @ 11:16 AM ET
I agree with your whining.
- Marwood

Shocking really...
Marwood
Location: Cumberland, BC
Joined: 03.18.2010

Dec 8 @ 11:20 AM ET
Benning said this offseason that they had different cap scenarios all planned out, and it seems so far they have it managed. I hope after LE gets his next bonus he gets traded or goes on LTIR.

Don't want them to go after any more high priced UFAs. They'll have to pay Petey then Hughes, and don't want to tie up some long-term contracts that will diminish before they're ready to truly compete.

- NewYorkNuck

Was that before or after he said that Luongo's re-capture caught them off guard?
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