I'm wondering if Otto would need to be included for Pageau?
- ses111

It was nice knowing you Otto.

It was nice knowing you Otto.
- Cptmjl

Exactly!

7 and his finger.
- Cptmjl

Makes perfect sense

So if Hall makes us a “true contender” does Pageau have the same effect at a lower price? With all of this said if either Hall or Pageau go for a lot less than we’re all suspecting and we have nothing at the end of it I’m going to be pissed😂
- Cptmjl

I don't know, honestly. I think Pageau and another piece for the third line make us a deeper and more well-rounded team, for sure. But hard to argue with the logic that the Isles are an elite defensive team with sub-optimal offensive production and Hall would be a big boon on the offensive side of things. I think Pageau has, when he's not playing above his pay-grade, decent offensive skill but high-end defense/PK work.

Pageau may be a bit of a case of bringing sand to the beach but I think there's something to be said about being able to lock things down in the playoffs. Conversely, some playoff games are just high-speed shootouts and you have to be able to score. We saw that first hand against the Canes last year. In a vacuum, I'd rather have Hall. But judging that deal is gonna be dependent on the price tag and status (rental vs. extension)

I don't know, honestly. I think Pageau and another piece for the third line make us a deeper and more well-rounded team, for sure. But hard to argue with the logic that the Isles are an elite defensive team with sub-optimal offensive production and Hall would be a big boon on the offensive side of things. I think Pageau has, when he's not playing above his pay-grade, decent offensive skill but high-end defense/PK work.

Pageau may be a bit of a case of bringing sand to the beach but I think there's something to be said about being able to lock things down in the playoffs. Conversely, some playoff games are just high-speed shootouts and you have to be able to score. We saw that first hand against the Canes last year. In a vacuum, I'd rather have Hall. But judging that deal is gonna be dependent on the price tag and status (rental vs. extension)
- eichiefs9

I think it’s going to funny as hell when Hall goes to some team not to be rumored involved for a helluva lot less than the reported deals. 😂

I think it’s going to funny as hell when Hall goes to some team not to be rumored involved for a helluva lot less than the reported deals. 😂
- Cptmjl

I'm not planning on hall as the isles never get their man, I hope I'm wrong but its doubtful

I'm not planning on hall as the isles never get their man, I hope I'm wrong but its doubtful
- Upstate_isles

Well you have to figure that has to change eventually. At this point it all depends on where Lameriello thinks this team is as far as cup contention. If he thinks we’re real close he may go all in on Hall. You have to wonder how much longer Shero keeps this up with keeping him out of the line up? Something has to break eventually.

I think it’s going to funny as hell when Hall goes to some team not to be rumored involved for a helluva lot less than the reported deals. 😂
- Cptmjl

I don't know, it sounds like they're asking for the moon. LeBrun reported what Upstate mentioned earlier....Florida backed out because Shero is asking for a massive haul and not letting teams talk extension with Hall's camp.

I could see that backfiring big time, but I guess if there's enough teams coveting him then maybe one of them says '(frank) it' and goes all in. But I think pretty much anyone trying to trade for him is going to shove the Mark Stone trade/extension right in Shero's face.

I don't know, it sounds like they're asking for the moon. LeBrun reported what Upstate mentioned earlier....Florida backed out because Shero is asking for a massive haul and not letting teams talk extension with Hall's camp.

I could see that backfiring big time, but I guess if there's enough teams coveting him then maybe one of them says '(frank) it' and goes all in. But I think pretty much anyone trying to trade for him is going to shove the Mark Stone trade/extension right in Shero's face.
- eichiefs9

Yeah not sure I really understand what Shero is doing not letting teams talk contract. He’s devaluing his asset to some extent.

Larsson is certainly a very good defensive defenseman no doubt but did he become the player he was supposed to be? I say no fell short by a lot. Especially offensively. Hall lead the Devils in scoring and was the NHL MVP. Best player in the league basically so...
That said when Leddy comes back Dobson being on the bench isn’t doing a thing as far as addressing the teams needs to improve scoring going into the POs. At some point you have to trade prospects and or picks to take that next step. You can’t hold on to your prospects that maybe or probably develop into top players. That’s what Snow did and the team was stuck in the same gear for years. You have to give to get and the Islanders could be 1 player away from a Cup and if it takes a top prospect that may become a top flight player I’ll do it to get that piece. Vegas traded Brannstrom to Ottawa for Stone, I don’t think they care that he was the top D prospect in the league. They may lose that trade in the long run but they acquired a piece that helps them now.
Now it may not take a Dobson type prospect to get Hall, it depends on what the other teams offers are obviously and if the Devils are allowing teams to negotiate a long term contract which I have heard they are not at this point.

He’s obviously going to be traded and I would love to see him on the Islanders. He’s exactly what they need as far as scoring imho.

I guess Ek got the right story today
- nyisles7

I guess eK got the story right this time

Where's Barzal? Hope he was not traded.
- ses111

Cleaning the bathrooms at Northwell because of that stupid penalty Saturday.

Yeah not sure I really understand what Shero is doing not letting teams talk contract. He’s devaluing his asset to some extent.
- Cptmjl

I have to imagine he thinks there's enough interest/competition to drive the price up, if nobody can talk extension. But teams, in general, have gotten a lot smarter about not just throwing away 1st's and top prospects, so I'm not sure they're going to get a 1st, a higher-end prospect, and another piece for Hall as a pure rental.

I have to imagine he thinks there's enough interest/competition to drive the price up, if nobody can talk extension. But teams, in general, have gotten a lot smarter about not just throwing away 1st's and top prospects, so I'm not sure they're going to get a 1st, a higher-end prospect, and another piece for Hall as a pure rental.
- eichiefs9

I still don’t understand that angle as far as Shero is concerned? Maybe because Hall won’t be interested in signing long term with said team and that’ll take that team out of the running completely.

I don't know, honestly. I think Pageau and another piece for the third line make us a deeper and more well-rounded team, for sure. But hard to argue with the logic that the Isles are an elite defensive team with sub-optimal offensive production and Hall would be a big boon on the offensive side of things. I think Pageau has, when he's not playing above his pay-grade, decent offensive skill but high-end defense/PK work.

Pageau may be a bit of a case of bringing sand to the beach but I think there's something to be said about being able to lock things down in the playoffs. Conversely, some playoff games are just high-speed shootouts and you have to be able to score. We saw that first hand against the Canes last year. In a vacuum, I'd rather have Hall. But judging that deal is gonna be dependent on the price tag and status (rental vs. extension)
- eichiefs9

Most of the time the PO's are much tighter, physical and defensive then the Regular season and are not about shootouts. It just isn't a formula for success. Ask the Bolts.
Getting Pageau definitely addresses a soft spot in C that we have. Brassard is much more effective on the wing without the additional D zone responsibility and it would give us 4 solid lines that play both sides of the puck well.
Hall would absolutely give us that pure scorer we have been trying to add and also would help the PP obviously. That said it would keep Brassard at center ice and I'm not thrilled with that but would be happy with either coming to the team. They would both help the team for the PO push for sure.

Cleaning the bathrooms at Northwell because of that stupid penalty Saturday.
- nyisles7

Better not be because he does not believe in Santa. If this is the case trade him straight up for Hall.

I don't know, it sounds like they're asking for the moon. LeBrun reported what Upstate mentioned earlier....Florida backed out because Shero is asking for a massive haul and not letting teams talk extension with Hall's camp.

I could see that backfiring big time, but I guess if there's enough teams coveting him then maybe one of them says '(frank) it' and goes all in. But I think pretty much anyone trying to trade for him is going to shove the Mark Stone trade/extension right in Shero's face.
- eichiefs9

Very bizarre Shero not letting teams talk contract with Hall.

I still don’t understand that angle as far as Shero is concerned? Maybe because Hall won’t be interested in signing long term with said team and that’ll take that team out of the running completely.
- Cptmjl

I guess it's possible Hall just flat-out told Shero "I'm signing in July, not a chance it's going to before then" and Shero is just passing that along to teams and it's not necessarily an organizational decision to not allow anyone to negotiate with Ferris.

Most of the time the PO's are much tighter, physical and defensive then the Regular season and are not about shootouts. It just isn't a formula for success. Ask the Bolts.
Getting Pageau definitely addresses a soft spot in C that we have. Brassard is much more effective on the wing without the additional D zone responsibility and it would give us 4 solid lines that play both sides of the puck well.
Hall would absolutely give us that pure scorer we have been trying to add and also would help the PP obviously. That said it would keep Brassard at center ice and I'm not thrilled with that but would be happy with either coming to the team. They would both help the team for the PO push for sure.
- nyisles7

Certainly a lot more tight and defensive and that's going to put goals at a premium. The Islanders managed a measly 5 goals in 4 games against the Hurricanes last postseason and allowed 13 against.

PP's also become significantly less frequent because NHL referees are a walking embarrassment, so having a good PP is almost an absolute necessity. They're almost certainly going to have to have the PP clicking in order to advance. PK is obviously hugely important, but if there's 1-3 kills per game vs. maybe 4-5 during the regular season...having your PP be able to capitalize is going to be tantamount to success.

Like I said before...in a vacuum I'd prefer Hall because he fills a major need. But it's all going to come down to what the price tag is.

I guess it's possible Hall just flat-out told Shero "I'm signing in July, not a chance it's going to before then" and Shero is just passing that along to teams and it's not necessarily an organizational decision to not allow anyone to negotiate with Ferris.
- eichiefs9

If you can talk to Hall and realize he will come to your team and is willing to sign a contract with said team and they are not contenders this year would you hand over the chips needed now or would you just wait to sign him as a free agent in July for nothing?
Interesting point that letting other teams speak to your player could actually hurt your negotiating power.
Just another way to look at it.

Certainly a lot more tight and defensive and that's going to put goals at a premium. The Islanders managed a measly 5 goals in 4 games against the Hurricanes last postseason and allowed 13 against.

PP's also become significantly less frequent because NHL referees are a walking embarrassment, so having a good PP is almost an absolute necessity. They're almost certainly going to have to have the PP clicking in order to advance. PK is obviously hugely important, but if there's 1-3 kills per game vs. maybe 4-5 during the regular season...having your PP be able to capitalize is going to be tantamount to success.

Like I said before...in a vacuum I'd prefer Hall because he fills a major need. But it's all going to come down to what the price tag is.
- eichiefs9

I am sure Lou is all over both. I just like having a solid center ice position. Both players as we said would definitely bring an aspect to the team that's needed.
Hell, lets get greedy and get both

I have to imagine he thinks there's enough interest/competition to drive the price up, if nobody can talk extension. But teams, in general, have gotten a lot smarter about not just throwing away 1st's and top prospects, so I'm not sure they're going to get a 1st, a higher-end prospect, and another piece for Hall as a pure rental.
- eichiefs9

That was the other thing they mentioned on the radio, why wouldn't you let teams talk extension? You will get more and who cares if it's a team in your division because you need to get the biggest return you can for him

Most of the time the PO's are much tighter, physical and defensive then the Regular season and are not about shootouts. It just isn't a formula for success. Ask the Bolts.
Getting Pageau definitely addresses a soft spot in C that we have. Brassard is much more effective on the wing without the additional D zone responsibility and it would give us 4 solid lines that play both sides of the puck well.
Hall would absolutely give us that pure scorer we have been trying to add and also would help the PP obviously. That said it would keep Brassard at center ice and I'm not thrilled with that but would be happy with either coming to the team. They would both help the team for the PO push for sure.
- nyisles7

Stfu

That was the other thing they mentioned on the radio, why wouldn't you let teams talk extension? You will get more and who cares if it's a team in your division because you need to get the biggest return you can for him
- Upstate_isles

I think it’s exactly what I said in an earlier post after thinking about it. He may not want to sign with whatever team is offering Shero the most which may immediately nullify the deal in the teams mind. The more I think about it the more it makes sense. Hall isn’t going to want to just instantly sign with a team because they’re offering more. For all we know he may have no interest in signing with any of the teams interested in him.

Certainly a lot more tight and defensive and that's going to put goals at a premium. The Islanders managed a measly 5 goals in 4 games against the Hurricanes last postseason and allowed 13 against.

PP's also become significantly less frequent because NHL referees are a walking embarrassment, so having a good PP is almost an absolute necessity. They're almost certainly going to have to have the PP clicking in order to advance. PK is obviously hugely important, but if there's 1-3 kills per game vs. maybe 4-5 during the regular season...having your PP be able to capitalize is going to be tantamount to success.

Like I said before...in a vacuum I'd prefer Hall because he fills a major need. But it's all going to come down to what the price tag is.
- eichiefs9

It's a tough call because I'm sure Lou and Barry do not want a repeat of the Canes series this year. I know I can do without watching the Isles struggling to score during another 2nd round series. I was done with the Tampa series with JT and Cappy.

If you can talk to Hall and realize he will come to your team and is willing to sign a contract with said team and they are not contenders this year would you hand over the chips needed now or would you just wait to sign him as a free agent in July for nothing?
Interesting point that letting other teams speak to your player could actually hurt your negotiating power.
- nyisles7

Sure, in that scenario it might. But I don't think Hall's agent is going to be giving hints to teams that he's willing to sign there. That probably would also hurt Hall's contract negotiating power as well. They're going to want to create a bidding war from teams that have no idea whether or not he wants to play there.

Scott Boras played that one to a T with the Gerrit Cole sweepstakes. He wanted to be a Yankee all along, but they used the two hometown teams and the use of the Famous Scott Boras Mystery Team™ late in the process to leverage the Yankees into a massive deal, when that was probably his most likely landing place all along.

At the end of the day, it's looking like the smart money is on Hall being a rental and nothing more. There will be a light version of the Tavares meetings and stuff right before July 1st and then someone will sign him to a 7 year deal, my guess is in the range of $10.5M AAV