I'll gladly trade the previous 12 years and next 8 years of the Flyers for those of the Penguins.
- jmatchett383

free advise is usually the worst advise, especially when it comes from a guy named Richard Richard

Regardless of what a lot of folks here think about him, I believe GMJR is actively pursuing NO dark years.
- Cousinskrid

I agree, but that could lead to disaster. Nothing could be worse than 4-5 years straight of average results, typically barely missing the playoffs or getting killed in the 1st round. I'd much rather spend on the next few years (and i think Crosby's window is longer than people think). Do everything possible to have a great team in these years, and then just suck at hockey. I'm talking 2004 Penguins bad. Collect some good picks, develop your talent, and boom, you are right back in it a few years later.

Not going to individually respond to everyone who responded to my quick make shift trade. I hauled up both teams on cap friendly and took a look. Did it quick. Adding Addison is probably too much but I think Hutton can be a good bottom pair LD for the Pens system...and he's already getting a regular shift in the NHL for 3 or 4 seasons now. He's UFA, so if he doesnt work out let him walk or trade him at TDL.

I agree, but that could lead to disaster. Nothing could be worse than 4-5 years straight of average results, typically barely missing the playoffs or getting killed in the 1st round. I'd much rather spend on the next few years (and i think Crosby's window is longer than people think). Do everything possible to have a great team in these years, and then just suck at hockey. I'm talking 2004 Penguins bad. Collect some good picks, develop your talent, and boom, you are right back in it a few years later.
- SuperHenderson13

No matter what happens with the Pens the next 5 to 10 years I'll still be extremely satisfied hahaha. Ive watched 6 runs to the finals and 5 hoisted in my life so far. That's a lot.

Yea Toffoli is an okay player, but I think people tend to overrate him given the team he played on that won the Cup. He's only been over 50 points once in his career and this year is not playing well.

0 reason to trade Addison for him IMO.
- SuperHenderson13

He has Charlie Coyle value IMO. Boston traded Donato and a 5th. I highly doubt LA will get more than a 3rd and a bottom 6 player or slightly above average prospect.

I agree, but that could lead to disaster. Nothing could be worse than 4-5 years straight of average results, typically barely missing the playoffs or getting killed in the 1st round. I'd much rather spend on the next few years (and i think Crosby's window is longer than people think). Do everything possible to have a great team in these years, and then just suck at hockey. I'm talking 2004 Penguins bad. Collect some good picks, develop your talent, and boom, you are right back in it a few years later.
- SuperHenderson13

I hear what you're saying... I guess I'd rather them be at least somewhat competitive than totally suck. I hope to never have to go through that 2004 thing ever again.

No matter what happens with the Pens the next 5 to 10 years I'll still be extremely satisfied hahaha. Ive watched 6 runs to the finals and 5 hoisted in my life so far. That's a lot.
- MattStrat

Same!

I hear what you're saying... I guess I'd rather them be at least somewhat competitive than totally suck. I hope to never have to go through that 2004 thing ever again.
- Cousinskrid

gotta go through the lows to appreciate the highs

I'm fine with selling off assets and I'd like Toffoli in a Pens jersey, but not at the cost of Addison.
- Rinosaur

Same. I don't mind trading Addison at all, but it would be for a bigger target than Toffoli. Even if you want to burn away the farm, it should still be in deals that make sense, even if it's just to save that asset for another trade.

I dont get the fascination with Toffoli. I'd be cool adding him for a mid rounder but I dont see him being a major difference maker.
- MacPatty

Nobody is talking about Toffoli as a major difference maker. He'd be an affordable player who fits the system, sort of a Simon with 20 goal hands. You'd be able to put him in the top 6 instead of Simon/Hornqvist/Tanev. He's mentioned a lot because almost nobody else is really available and he seems like a smart buy low chance.

I still think MIN is a team to watch as we get closer to the deadline and I'd also be looking towards CHI. Gustafsson would be a nice get for LD if he becomes available as a rental.
- Rinosaur

Where would you play Gustafson though? He's a lot like Schultz really so I don't know that I'd want to pair him with Schultz or Marino. I'd want a safer guy who lets those guys activate.

Who knows if Minnesota sells. They might not fall back, the West is fairly mediocre. Losing Spurgeon is a big blow though.

Nobody is talking about Toffoli as a major difference maker. He'd be an affordable player who fits the system, sort of a Simon with 20 goal hands. You'd be able to put him in the top 6 instead of Simon/Hornqvist/Tanev. He's mentioned a lot because almost nobody else is really available and he seems like a smart buy low chance.
- Tojo.

I really think he would be a huge difference maker. I think he is a player who has done a fantastic job propping up Carter and Kempe over the past 3 full seasons. (Shots, scoring chances, HD scoring chances) These guys are 5 to 10% lower in these categories without Toffoli on the ice and we are talking over an 800:00 minute sample size without him, so the effect is real.

I think he is the perfect support player to get with what we have to offer in a trade.

I really think he would be a huge difference maker. I think he is a player who has done a fantastic job propping up Carter and Kempe over the past 3 full seasons. (Shots, scoring chances, HD scoring chances) These guys are 5 to 10% lower in these categories without Toffoli on the ice and we are talking over an 800:00 minute sample size without him, so the effect is real.

I think he is the perfect support player to get with what we have to offer in a trade.
- burgh4life87

Well you just totally sold Toffoli to me...lets get that fvcker GR!

Today's practice lines:
Guentzel-Malkin-Rust
Kahun-McCann-ZAR
Galchenyuk-Blueger-Tanev
Simon-Lafferty-Noesen

Seven guys rotating on D

Are they putting Galchenyuk on the shutdown line?

Hot take: he's doing it differently by using his size instead of smart little plays, but ZAR has been a better Simon than Simon has been this year. I'd still keep him with Blueger, but they've been struggling for a while with that 2nd RW spot so we're probably at the throwing things at the wall point.

I think Simon deserves the demotion, he's gotten careless with the puck.

I agree, but that could lead to disaster. Nothing could be worse than 4-5 years straight of average results, typically barely missing the playoffs or getting killed in the 1st round. I'd much rather spend on the next few years (and i think Crosby's window is longer than people think). Do everything possible to have a great team in these years, and then just suck at hockey. I'm talking 2004 Penguins bad. Collect some good picks, develop your talent, and boom, you are right back in it a few years later.
- SuperHenderson13

The Penguins got extremely lucky that 2 of their picks, in back to back years, happened to be Crosby and Malkin. Could have just as easily been a combo Erik Johnson and Bobby Ryan if you just shift the drafts by 1 year.

I really think he would be a huge difference maker. I think he is a player who has done a fantastic job propping up Carter and Kempe over the past 3 full seasons. (Shots, scoring chances, HD scoring chances) These guys are 5 to 10% lower in these categories without Toffoli on the ice and we are talking over an 800:00 minute sample size without him, so the effect is real.

I think he is the perfect support player to get with what we have to offer in a trade.
- burgh4life87

What you listed is why I went with the Simon with hands comparison. Toffoli gives all those possession bonuses Simon does but is also a threat to actually score goals if he gets the type of chances Simon gets with Sid.

The Penguins got extremely lucky that 2 of their picks, in back to back years, happened to be Crosby and Malkin. Could have just as easily been a combo Erik Johnson and Bobby Ryan if you just shift the drafts by 1 year.
- jmatchett383

Or Ovechkin and Bobby Ryan. We did have the #1 that season but lost the lottery.

Where would you play Gustafson though? He's a lot like Schultz really so I don't know that I'd want to pair him with Schultz or Marino. I'd want a safer guy who lets those guys activate.

Who knows if Minnesota sells. They might not fall back, the West is fairly mediocre. Losing Spurgeon is a big blow though.
- Tojo.

The issue is availability of rental LDs. Many of the quality affordable pending UFA LD are likely not going anywhere. Ones I could see getting moved are Gustafsson and maybe Holden.

I don't see MIN coming out on top here. Everyone likes to use the STL defense for any team, but that was more an exception than the rule. MIN simply doesn't have the roster to compete. Their C position is very weak as a whole, but they have a bunch of good support players.

What you listed is why I went with the Simon with hands comparison. Toffoli gives all those possession bonuses Simon does but is also a threat to actually score goals if he gets the type of chances Simon gets with Sid.
- Tojo.

Exactly. Also, I'm pretty sure that Toffoli is a right shot.

Time to get weird though:
To Pit - Toffoli
To Buffalo - Galchenyuk
To LA - Ristolainen

We would probably have to toss someone a little sweetener though

The Penguins got extremely lucky that 2 of their picks, in back to back years, happened to be Crosby and Malkin. Could have just as easily been a combo Erik Johnson and Bobby Ryan if you just shift the drafts by 1 year.
- jmatchett383

I think Ryan was with Sid number 2 overall but yeah I get it. Could have easily been just more of the same disaster.

I hear what you're saying... I guess I'd rather them be at least somewhat competitive than totally suck. I hope to never have to go through that 2004 thing ever again.
- Cousinskrid

You dont make money unless you make the playoffs so I wouldn't count on the Pens tanking for a long time.

The issue is availability of rental LDs. Many of the quality affordable pending UFA LD are likely not going anywhere. Ones I could see getting moved are Gustafsson and maybe Holden.

I don't see MIN coming out on top here. Everyone likes to use the STL defense for any team, but that was more an exception than the rule. MIN simply doesn't have the roster to compete. Their C position is very weak as a whole, but they have a bunch of good support players.
- Rinosaur

Yeah, availability is a problem until a few more teams drop out.

Minnesota doesn't need to be St. Louis, they just need to stay in the race. They're fighting the Penguins for best xGA in the league. They have a couple good looking kids on their 3rd pair making them even better. That will keep you in most games when you're not getting league worst goal-tending, even without a great offense.

Today's practice lines:
Guentzel-Malkin-Rust
Kahun-McCann-ZAR
Galchenyuk-Blueger-Tanev
Simon-Lafferty-Noesen

Seven guys rotating on D

Are they putting Galchenyuk on the shutdown line?

Hot take: he's doing it differently by using his size instead of smart little plays, but ZAR has been a better Simon than Simon has been this year. I'd still keep him with Blueger, but they've been struggling for a while with that 2nd RW spot so we're probably at the throwing things at the wall point.

I think Simon deserves the demotion, he's gotten careless with the puck.
- Tojo.

ZAR kind of sticks out like a sore thumb on that line, IMO. I would try Tanev on that line and call it the Buzz line.

https://www.sportsnet.ca/hockey/nhl/four-teams-take-shot-trading-alex-galchenyuk/sn-amp/


Also Pittsburgh Hockey now names Buffalo as interested and potentially Chicago since they continue to send Scouts to Pittsburgh.
- 123Kid

I've thought about Chicago since they will probably be out of it soon and they are a common trade partner. Saad immediately came to mind, especially if you are of the mind that Crosby would benefit from a grinder / possession type player who can also score but is not necessarily fast.

Chicago would be able to clear $6M in salary next year. However, Chicago drafted Saad, then traded him but traded to get him back. Not sure if Bowman has some sort of emotional attachment to the guy. I'm guessing Saad wouldn't mind playing in his hometown.

I think Ryan was with Sid number 2 overall but yeah I get it. Could have easily been just more of the same disaster.
- 668710

They picked 2nd in 04 and 1st in 05. Bump those years up and you have Ryan and Johnson.