Not winning enough?
500 team?
Not making the playoffs anymore?

10.5 millions for a third line centre
7 million for a 4th line defenceman
6 million for a back up goalie
Junior coach
Average GM

Need any more evidence...I rest my case.

yep..nfl contracts are front loaded with signing bonuses and no guarantee on term..
the nhl compensation system/hard cap is a lousy buisness model and the stupidity of the owners penalizing themselves for legitimate contracts before the 2012 lock out with recapture penalties...
- bogiedoc

It’s an excellent business model - provides cost certainty for the owners - it’s a bad product model - waters down the quality of the on-ice product.

Franchise values have increased dramatically since the hard cap was implemented.

There were only about 3 or 4 contracts subject to the recapture at the time, IIRC - Hossa’s being one - stopped owners from circumventing the hard cap by front loading the contracts - I don’t recall Rocky / McD fighting it.

Not winning enough?
500 team?
Not making the playoffs anymore?

10.5 millions for a third line centre
7 million for a 4th line defenceman
6 million for a back up goalie
Junior coach
Average GM

Need any more evidence...I rest my case.
- Hawkster

well put. you present a strong argument. terrible optics

https://www.letsgohawks.net/articles/erik-gustafsson-to-the-golden-knights/

On that same Letsgohawks website, there's an article referencing an Athletic piece about Vegas rumored to have interest in Gustafsson. The article states that the Hawks "will likely ask for a first round pick and maybe more."

If the Hawks can pull that off, sign the paperwork as fast as you can and don't wait for the ink to dry. Guessing Vegas and any other team would hang up the phone. Realistically, the Hawks could get either a draft pick or the "maybe more" part but not both.

Had this trade proposal been on the table this past off season, then it may have been possible.
- AEL_Fox

AEL, first thanks for keeping us up to date on Rockford, much appreciated. As far as Gus, there’s no way he brings back a first, but I hope I’m wrong.

Back to Dale v Stan

https://gospelofhockey.bl...09/07/on-dale-tallon.html

Bowman attended to the day-to-day administration of the Blackhawks’ hockey operations department with his primary responsibilities including all CBA-related matters such as contract negotiations, free agency, salary arbitration, player movement and player assignment."

It seems to me, then, that the whole offer sheet fiasco should rest partially on Bowman as well as Tallon. The site also comments on his role in recent player acquisitions:

"Bowman played an integral part in the recent major free agent signings of Marian Hossa, Tomas Kopecky and John Madden in 2009 and Brian Campbell and Cristobal Huet in 2008."

Any chance the hawks pick up Taylor Hall?

Any chance the hawks pick up Taylor Hall?
- MichaeLionheart

Hopefully not.

Any chance the hawks pick up Taylor Hall?
- MichaeLionheart

Do it Stan! DeBrincat, Boqvist and 2020 1st round pick. Done!!

Do it Stan! DeBrincat, Boqvist and 2020 1st round pick. Done!!
- DarthKane

Doug Wilson would have the balls to make that move, then the Hawks would make the playoffs and all would be right in the world..

Doug Wilson would have the balls to make that move, then the Hawks would make the playoffs and all would be right in the world..
- paulr

Such an agitator.

Such an agitator.
- mohel

Moi???

It’s an excellent business model - provides cost certainty for the owners - it’s a bad product model - waters down the quality of the on-ice product.

Franchise values have increased dramatically since the hard cap was implemented.

There were only about 3 or 4 contracts subject to the recapture at the time, IIRC - Hossa’s being one - stopped owners from circumventing the hard cap by front loading the contracts - I don’t recall Rocky / McD fighting it.
- StLBravesFan

Pretty sure Duncan Keith's contract is in that group.

Pretty sure Duncan Keith's contract is in that group.
- 35Tony0

Maybe - for some reason, I thought not - maybe because of it’s length (13 years) or when it took effect (2010-11 season) or something. Altho Hossa’s took effect in the same season.

Do it Stan! DeBrincat, Boqvist and 2020 1st round pick. Done!!
- DarthKane

Overpay

Overpay
- jhawk59

Quite reasonable, in fact it would be a steal I'd say.

Quite reasonable, in fact it would be a steal I'd say.
- paulr

Hawks would need to add Dach+.

Think Rocky isn’t looking at this?

From Jon Greenberg in The Athletic:

Going into Saturday’s game, the Bulls were 11th in average attendance and 23rd in capacity, with a decrease of 3,000 fans per game and a drop in capacity of 15 percent since the 2016-17 season, the last time the team made the playoffs.


A franchise that - like the Hawks - were consistently at the top of their league in fans per game and capacity.

Tyler and the panel question is if hawks lose the next 3 games all against division opponents is bowman or J.C. fired? Hawks cannot at the end the year use injuries as an a excuse every team deals with significant injuries throughout the season and some are short term some are long term. Thoughts opinions?
- Scott1977

big if...i don't think MCD and Wirtz will make early season coaching change 2 years in a row...i will say that JC is stanbow's one and only coaching hire...if jc is fired stanbow goes to...

how they lose is just as important...they continue with blowouts or continue to be dominated for 2/3 of the games (i see no reason for that to change) ya have to wonder if they will say damn the optics and relieve JC and SB.

Pretty sure Duncan Keith's contract is in that group.
- 35Tony0

yes keiths contract has recapture penalty implications

It’s an excellent business model - provides cost certainty for the owners - it’s a bad product model - waters down the quality of the on-ice product.

Franchise values have increased dramatically since the hard cap was implemented.

There were only about 3 or 4 contracts subject to the recapture at the time, IIRC - Hossa’s being one - stopped owners from circumventing the hard cap by front loading the contracts - I don’t recall Rocky / McD fighting it.
- StLBravesFan

i have to disagree. a business model that impacts the quality and your flexibility to manage that product is a poor model despite cost certainty. All sports teams have some degree of cost certainty with their yearly payrolls.

several teams had those contracts: the wild have 2...sutter and parise...
other players daytsuk, pronger..

https://www.sportingnews....8l6xc72x1rgm154d1sqo7a7qh

i have to disagree. a business model that impacts the quality and your flexibility to manage that product is a poor model despite cost certainty. All sports teams have some degree of cost certainty with their yearly payrolls.

several teams had those contracts: the wild have 2...sutter and parise...
other players daytsuk, pronger..

https://www.sportingnews....8l6xc72x1rgm154d1sqo7a7qh
- bogiedoc

A good business model - business model - is one that increases value for its shareholders. Product quality is a factor in that decision makers of an enterprise chooses the quality level that will maximize its value.

Revenues are increasing, operating profits are increasing, franchise values are increasing, fans have shown that reduced overall on-ice quality of play (not factoring in wins and losses)) don’t matter to them (parity is more important).

It’s McKinzie’s model, Bain’s, Harvard Business School’s model....

I don’t agree that that business model in good for the sport - or that that business model (extended to the full economy) is good for the countries involved - but that is the business model that is good for the short term wealth of the shareholders. And they will stick with it.

The cap problems are overblown.
- mohel

Once we get rid of Seabrook, Toews and Kane we'll be fine.

Not winning enough?
500 team?
Not making the playoffs anymore?

10.5 millions for a third line centre
7 million for a 4th line defenceman
6 million for a back up goalie
Junior coach
Average GM

Need any more evidence...I rest my case.
- Hawkster

Are you talking about the Kings?

Pretty sure Duncan Keith's contract is in that group.
- 35Tony0

The idea was Keith was supposed to retire I mean get sick at the end of his contract like Hossa but nobody told him.

What is wrong with so many Blackhawk fans? Did any of you really think the team wasn't going to regress before it could move forward? Do/did you seriously believe a team that had all that success, had to move out prospects and draft picks to try to bolster the team to win or to stay cap compliant, who drafted later in the draft for close to 10 years could and who have a core of aging players whose best days/games are behind them would suddenly be any more than they currently are?

To all those wanting deperately to point fingers of blame, it's not Bowman, It's not Colliton or McD or the media or Toews or whomever. That's not to say any of the aformentioned are doing everything right and can't be critisized but the finger of blame should be pointed directly at what we as fans we so happy about, but apparantly took for granted, the blame is on Success, on 3 Stanley cups and on the best period in Chicago Blackhawk history.

Personally I'll sit back and enjoy the rebuild, hopefully I'll see a similar repeat on 2008 when we witnessed the Hawks turning a corner from a joke franchise to the premier team from 2009 to 2016. I find it much easier than whining, bellyaching and not understanding why the Hawks are where they are today.