I'd deal 21/23 players on this team if the value was right.
- TheSabresTaco

Would you trade Cozens for Cirelli?

That's the kind of deal that would likely involve Cozens.

I was going to say Mittelstadt, but he's fallen so far out of favor that everyone would say yes to that.

So your add is that we draft well? You honestly think that?
- hubie

At no point did I ever say we drafted well. I've come on here countless times over the years spelling out the complete opposite of 'drafting well'. In fact, I believe it's the core reason for our years of piss poor teams.

let me clear up my point to you. I agreed with you that the Sabres haven't made a massive blunder by trading a prospect who turned out to be much better than expected. Pominville was on waivers, so that could have gone south.

But dealing mid range prospects and believing the team has drafted well, which it hasn't up until maybe I guess 2015 is two completely different conversations.

this team is a #2 Center, winger & better Goalie away from being Elite. unless your drafting in the top 10, first rounders are a crap shoot, I would trade my next 2 first rounders along with prospects for a legit #2 center and a scoring winger
- hehateme

Same poop for 18 months. Botterill's solution was (twice) to play wingers at center

Eichel is on a 147 point pace over the last 6 and the Sabres have gone 3-1-2 (real .500)

It's criminal that Botterill is letting this season die on the vine, but hey, we have 12 NHL defensemen in the organization. Maybe one of them can be 2C

Brayden McNabb woulda been nice. But the Sabres haven't been in a position to deal NHL caliber prospects for a long time.

I bet the Leafs woulda changed their mind about dealing Rask.
Washington dealing Forsberg
Edmonton dealing the pick for Mat Barzal
Sabres dealing the pick for Kyle Connor
Ottawa dealing Zibanijad


Relating directly to your point, the Sabres have been good, as most teams are, at not truly (frank)ing up a trade of a prospect. Brayden McNabb is a nice player. Paul Byron is a very solid bottom 6. Joker and Nylander is a wash, being that is was prospect for prospect. Same with Hodgson and Kassian. Montour will likely be a win for us. So is Jeff Skinner. Hickey and Fasching is a wash. Compher and Zadorov are decent players. Lemieux and Armia are fine. But no. There's really no blatant (frank) ups in the past 15 years.
- TheSabresTaco

At no point did I ever say we drafted well. I've come on here countless times over the years spelling out the complete opposite of 'drafting well'. In fact, I believe it's the core reason for our years of piss poor teams.

You didnt type the bold?

Its not my fault if your taking what i wrote and going off on your own conversation about it. Its too f ing early to deal with you.

Point being they cant F ing draft so why are we so worried to trade picks and prospects.

Get a Fing roster that doesnt F ing suck....

Would you trade Cozens for Cirelli?

That's the kind of deal that would likely involve Cozens.

I was going to say Mittelstadt, but he's fallen so far out of favor that everyone would say yes to that.
- kingcong39

I haven't given up on CM. Just because he's not ready to play well here doesn't mean he won't become a really good player. I don't know Cirelli well enough to just say yes or no.

I do feel that both of our players will ultimately be better than him, though.

At no point did I ever say we drafted well. I've come on here countless times over the years spelling out the complete opposite of 'drafting well'. In fact, I believe it's the core reason for our years of piss poor teams.

You didnt type the bold?

Its not my fault if your taking what i wrote and going off on your own conversation about it. Its too f ing early to deal with you.

Point being they cant F ing draft so why are we so worried to trade picks and prospects.

Get a Fing roster that doesnt F ing suck....
- hubie

Why are you so angry? I'm literally agreeing with your original point, and I'm sorry you're misunderstanding me, but what I'm telling you is this, and only this.

The Buffalo Sabres have not traded a high yield prospect on accident, akin to Filip Forsberg.

That's it. That is all I am saying. Calm your poop dude.

Why are you so angry?
- TheSabresTaco

Because reading comprehension isnt your strong suit

Because reading comprehension isnt your strong suit
- hubie

So you're angry because you don't understand what I'm saying to you. Gotcha.

Stop being grossly fat

So you're angry because you don't understand what I'm saying to you. Gotcha.

Stop being grossly fat
- TheSabresTaco

Whatever bro, get off your high horse
im done with you

Whatever bro, get off your high horse
im done with you
- hubie

MY HIGH HORSE!!!

My friend, you are off the handle today. I've never gotten so upset with someone who agreed with me.

Would you trade Cozens for Cirelli?

That's the kind of deal that would likely involve Cozens.

I was going to say Mittelstadt, but he's fallen so far out of favor that everyone would say yes to that.
- kingcong39

Hell, no. Cirelli is a fine player, but he's still all promise at this point, too.

So your add is that we draft well? You honestly think that?
- hubie

Would you trade Cozens, a 2020 or 2021 1st round pick, plus more for Sean Monahan, or Scheifele, or Kuznetsov (from the Capitals), or Couturier?

Would you trade Cozens foe Cirelli, or Trochek?

Hell, no. Cirelli is a fine player, but he's still all promise at this point, too.
- Powerslave

Started off well on a very strong team, but there's no way he carries the talent of CM and DC.

However, I'd highly consider and probably use our first on him.

Would you trade Cozens, a 2020 or 2021 1st round pick, plus more for Sean Monahan, or Scheifele, or Kuznetsov (from the Capitals), or Couturier?

Would you trade Cozens foe Cirelli, or Trochek?
- kingcong39

yes.. don't really want Kuzy, but he'd play exceptionally well with Skinner. Scheifele would be my top choice. Not that it would happen.

Started off well on a very strong team, but there's no way he carries the talent of CM and DC.

However, I'd highly consider and probably use our first on him.
- TheSabresTaco

I wouldn't go more than that, though. But that's just me. I like the player, and he could be a decent 2C until Cozens pushed him out of his way, lol, and then he turns into a great 3C.

(unless their plan is to play DC on the wing?)

Would you trade Cozens, a 2020 or 2021 1st round pick, plus more for Sean Monahan, or Scheifele, or Kuznetsov (from the Capitals), or Couturier?

Would you trade Cozens foe Cirelli, or Trochek?
- kingcong39

Yes... Kutz would be maybe
Cirelli/Trochek not both a 1st yes

Started off well on a very strong team, but there's no way he carries the talent of CM and DC.

However, I'd highly consider and probably use our first on him.
- TheSabresTaco

The first needs to be in play for a center. It wont be because Botterill but it should be. This is absurd

1st + Miller + Samuelson

Just go (frank)ing get something

I haven't given up on CM. Just because he's not ready to play well here doesn't mean he won't become a really good player. I don't know Cirelli well enough to just say yes or no.

I do feel that both of our players will ultimately be better than him, though.
- TheSabresTaco

If you're trading Cozens, it's in a deal for a 27 year old or less (preferably) talented center.

Cirelli is just one name, as I also mentioned others.

Point being, if you aren't going to give up someone like him, the chances you're getting a quality young center in a trade are very slim, in which case you're hoping to get a good enough center on a depressed value type of trade.

None of the above is remotely easy to accomplish, which is why I've turned on the idea of getting Coyle when he was available being a good idea. Why? The pickin's, they be slim.

Yes
Cirelli/Trochek not both a 1st yes
- hubie

Tampa and Florida come back and say they need a quality prospect center for Cirelli or Trochek. Do you say yes to Cozens going the other way? How about Mittelstadt?

I highly, highly doubt either gets moved for a 1st round pick.

I wouldn't go more than that, though. But that's just me. I like the player, and he could be a decent 2C until Cozens pushed him out of his way, lol, and then he turns into a great 3C.

(unless their plan is to play DC on the wing?)
- Powerslave

That's why the GM needs to play 3D chess. It's not just a fantasy trade. It's short and long term expectations, the cap, how certain players will develop, free agent and trade targets. I imagine it's a difficult job to bring in young, impact players.

The first needs to be in play for a center. It wont be because Botterill but it should be. This is absurd

1st + Miller + Samuelson

Just go (frank)ing get something
- jcragcrumple

I don't disagree. I agree.

I agree with this statement.

Fully.

I fully agree with the bold.

Tampa and Florida come back and say they need a quality prospect center for Cirelli or Trochek. Do you say yes to Cozens going the other way? How about Mittelstadt?

I highly, highly doubt either gets moved for a 1st round pick.
- kingcong39

I would be ok with Casey going , in the grand scheme id go with Trochek here as the faceoff numbers are there that I think we desperately need and hes more established

That's why the GM needs to play 3D chess. It's not just a fantasy trade. It's short and long term expectations, the cap, how certain players will develop, free agent and trade targets. I imagine it's a difficult job to bring in young, impact players.
- TheSabresTaco

It's rough because most teams trading the quality young forward are likely doing so knowing they're going to lose the deal, and many times it's top picks and top prospects going the other way so there's at least potential coming back for the quality young forward being dealt.

You almost have to be constantly looking for quality centers who are in a bad situation who look worse than they are (hello Briere) and can be had for a lower return due to that.

Not. Easy.

yes.. don't really want Kuzy, but he'd play exceptionally well with Skinner. Scheifele would be my top choice. Not that it would happen.
- TheSabresTaco

You're right that it wouldn't, but Cozens and a 1st round pick would be just the starting ask for a player like the above.

That's why the GM needs to play 3D chess. It's not just a fantasy trade. It's short and long term expectations, the cap, how certain players will develop, free agent and trade targets. I imagine it's a difficult job to bring in young, impact players.
- TheSabresTaco

For me, Cozens and UPL are my only untouchables, unless the deal knocks my socks off.