Gardiner has the worst 5v5 GF% of any defenseman in the league right now.

Aside from the fact that I never disliked Gardiner as a player, statistically I like Jake Gardiner because I've always used the phrase, "Corsi is incapable of handling Jake Gardiner." At all levels of his game - Gardiner drives possession, helps to create Scoring Chances For and High Danger Chances For which are all indicators of a key driver (for instance, his HDCF% is 55.6% - or if you're not as nerdy as me, that means that he's been on the ice for 95 chances for to 76 against; or in perspective, that's 37th out of 176. In scoring Chances generated, he's 18th out of 176). What Corsi can't possibly manage is how awful the High Danger Chances Against actually are. Corsi chalks that stuff up to "he's unlucky."
- Monkeypunk

The bottom line with Gardiner is he was terribly overused in Toronto. That led to big problems. Same with Zaitsev, Ceci. Those guys can be useful when properly used. Ceci should not hvae been on the 1st pairing all year.

do the Corsi numbers separate scoring chances created for the team you play for...v versus the ones you create for the opposition?
- BorjeFan4Ever

That would be the missing link, yes.

HDCBYA (High Danger Changes Caused By You Against). Someone should propose this to the analytics folks.

They could break it down to the YIWAYD% (You Idiot What Are You Doing %).

Wow.
You must be doing this on purpose.
You can’t be this dense.
I’m finished with your trolling.
- daws44

Fun, eh?

Wow.
You must be doing this on purpose.
You can’t be this dense.
I’m finished with your trolling.
- daws44

I called you out.

And now you are trying to dodge it, that’s all that’s happening here.

Keep playing yourself as a victim here if you’d like, it seems like it’s what you do best.

Moral of the story- Echiel can’t be blamed for his teams failures but Matthews can be...ok

Oh yes, you have definitely overtake max

Eichel and barkov can't get their team even close to making the playoffs.

There's always a a double-standard with Leaf players.
- RogerRoeper

yup. i don't know why everyone just can't have consistent opinions.

when babcock plays hyman > matthews = the sky is falling

when keefe plays hyman > matthews = doing the right thing

That would be the missing link, yes.

HDCBYA (High Danger Changes Caused By You Against). Someone should propose this to the analytics folks.

They could break it down to the YIWAYD% (You Idiot What Are You Doing %).
- Monkeypunk

analytics needs to also add

1) turnovers made - both forced and those unforced

2) forced turnovers measured against voracity of the opposing player - i.e. as a direct indicator of the "wussy factor" - basically for Nylander-types who won't engage in anything that appears to possibly result in them getting bumped

3) a counter of how many shifts end with the player heading to the bench in a very relaxed fashion... leading to an odd-man rush for the other team

The entire top 10 on the 2010 draft hast been traded. Wild
- RickJames77

Dylan Mcillrath was such a bad pick then. I remember watching that draft and everyone was saying that it was a bad pick.

I can't believe the doom and gloom crap I hear about the Leafs. It's ridiculous.
- RogerRoeper

Ignore it. It's all noise from outside interest groups, looking to sabotage the greatest cap team the league has ever seen.


I suspect the Bruins are behind this and I'm sure the league is looking the other way.

yup. i don't know why everyone can just have consistent opinions.

when babcock plays hyman > matthews = the sky is falling

when keefe plays hyman > matthews = doing the right thing
- Tumbleweed

The only time I remember people complaining about Hyman playing with Matthews was his first year.

And yeah, Hyman has improved a bunch since then. He can play on any line.

Fun, eh?
- Arctic_AARDVARK

I guess the only options are get shytefaced on the blue koolaid or get out.

I called you out.

And now you are trying to dodge it, that’s all that’s happening here.

Keep playing yourself as a victim here if you’d like, it seems like it’s what you do best.

Moral of the story- Echiel can’t be blamed for his teams failures but Matthews can be...ok

Oh yes, you have definitely overtake max
- Santo_44

K

Dylan Mcillrath was such a bad pick then. I remember watching that draft and everyone was saying that it was a bad pick.
- Aaron_85

It's crazy some of the whiffs teams make. Some of which I could see coming from a mile away. I don't get it, but I'm sure there's something we just don't 'see'

The bottom line with Gardiner is he was terribly overused in Toronto. That led to big problems. Same with Zaitsev, Ceci. Those guys can be useful when properly used. Ceci should not hvae been on the 1st pairing all year.
- RogerRoeper

That's on the GM, not the coach.

Somebody had to play there.

FFS, we had Hainsey there.

Ron Franking Hainsey.

Nylander-Matthews-Marner. Go with it.
- RogerRoeper

I know some think that JT carried Marner, but I’d like to see Marner stay with our top goal scorer.

The only time I remember people complaining about Hyman playing with Matthews was his first year.

And yeah, Hyman has improved a bunch since then. He can play on any line.
- Santo_44

double RR was whining about it for months. really just directed at him.

edit: more minutes, not with with hyman.

The bottom line with Gardiner is he was terribly overused in Toronto. That led to big problems. Same with Zaitsev, Ceci. Those guys can be useful when properly used. Ceci should not hvae been on the 1st pairing all year.
- RogerRoeper

gotta disagree here... Gardiner was only on rare occasions "overused".....

he rarely killed penalties or faced top opposition - when he did he got exposed consistently... in situations where his minutes went up because of injuries to other defenders, and he was put into tougher "defensive minutes"... he was exposed.

see Game 7 when Rielly got the puck in the face.

the real issue was/is simply that Gardiner was a talented hockey player, very dynamic skater - who should never been made into a defenseman.

He was a defenseman who was weak at defending.

K
- daws44

It's crazy some of the whiffs teams make. Some of which I could see coming from a mile away. I don't get it, but I'm sure there's something we just don't 'see'
- RickJames77

A bunch of scouts being bribed to put a kid first?

There is likely a lot of politics going on. "We need a tough guy" the GM might say because his job is on the line and the owner knows poop about hockey so puts pressure on the GM.

Lots of things like that probably happen.

That's on the GM, not the coach.

Somebody had to play there.

FFS, we had Hainsey there.

Ron Franking Hainsey.
- Atomic Wedgie

Roman Polak forgot it wasn't Halloween and dressed up as a pylon last night. It was great.

analytics needs to also add

1) turnovers made - both forced and those unforced

2) forced turnovers measured against voracity of the opposing player - i.e. as a direct indicator of the "wussy factor" - basically for Nylander-types who won't engage in anything that appears to possibly result in them getting bumped

3) a counter of how many shifts end with the player heading to the bench in a very relaxed fashion... leading to an odd-man rush for the other team
- BorjeFan4Ever

4) Number of times a guy carrying the puck reverses course and turns away, looking to make a soft outlet pass instead of paying the price and driving hard to the net.

We will need a catchy named for it.

How does the Nylander Index sound?

gotta disagree here... Gardiner was only on rare occasions "overused".....

he rarely killed penalties or faced top opposition - when he did he got exposed consistently... in situations where his minutes went up because of injuries to other defenders, and he was put into tougher "defensive minutes"... he was exposed.

see Game 7 when Rielly got the puck in the face.

the real issue was/is simply that Gardiner was a talented hockey player, very dynamic skater - who should never been made into a defenseman.

He was a defenseman who was weak at defending.
- BorjeFan4Ever

Offensive D-men are still a big hit in the league. Likely why he was put there.

Problem is, there's too many and not enough "defensive" dmen who can keep up with the skating of these guys.

A bunch of scouts being bribed to put a kid first?

There is likely a lot of politics going on. "We need a tough guy" the GM might say because his job is on the line and the owner knows poop about hockey so puts pressure on the GM.

Lots of things like that probably happen.
- Aaron_85

I'll never understand the draft for need group. Draft the best player available and if necessary, trade from a position of strength to address a position of need. It's not that difficult of a concept to understand.

Offensive D-men are still a big hit in the league. Likely why he was put there.

Problem is, there's too many and not enough "defensive" dmen who can keep up with the skating of these guys.
- Aaron_85

Brandon Carlo

I think that's part of the reason the Devils dealt with the Coyotes for Bahl. Look at the dmen they have acquired through the draft, trade or free agency. I think they learned a valuable lesson that mobile defensive defensemen still are a very valuable commodity in this league. One that you don't have to break the bank for from a contract perspective, either.

4) Number of times a guy carrying the puck reverses course and turns away, looking to make a soft outlet pass instead of paying the price and driving hard to the net.

We will need a catchy named for it.

How does the Nylander Softy Index sound?
- Atomic Wedgie

fixed?

- Santo_44

Expectations are the same.
Tavares Marner Andersen = Skinner Reinhart Hutton.
We’re done here.