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- MBFlyerfan

yeah the old flyers newsgroup (going WAY back) had a block button. really help wade thru stuff you didn't want to see

not to dwell....i think the nisky boarding of kase last night was worse than the farabee hit. hope he's not suspended for 42 games

not to dwell....i think the nisky boarding of kase last night was worse than the farabee hit. hope he's not suspended for 42 games
- Peter Richards

I think it looked worse than it was (IMO Kase's face going into the sill of the board was his fault for falling and not standing up fully before playing the puck).

But it still wouldn't surprise me if the NHL hands down another whopper to punish Philly.

I was good with the hiring. I liked thinking outside of the box. in the end I wanted Hakstol fired and a more experienced coach brought in. i was disappointed Hextall was not allowed to see things through but as more info came out I understood. I'm kinda the in between person in this debate.
- nastyflyergirl

At the end of the day to me, he had an incredibly flawed roster. He still had a winning record. Lets also not pretend Gordon did much better. I did the calculation before and if I remember correctly Haks winning % was 45% and Gordon was 52%.

Gordon had the benefit of using Hart, the changes Fletcher made to the roster and the Veterans performing which as we know is still an issue today.

not to dwell....i think the nisky boarding of kase last night was worse than the farabee hit. hope he's not suspended for 42 games
- Peter Richards

whether an injury occurred is all that matters for some reason. Ellis got away with a flying elbow and Okposo got away with boarding Dermott yesterday

At the end of the day to me, he had an incredibly flawed roster. He still had a winning record. Lets also not pretend Gordon did much better. I did the calculation before and if I remember correctly Haks winning % was 45% and Gordon was 52%.

Gordon had the benefit of using Hart, the changes Fletcher made to the roster and the Veterans performing which as we know is still an issue today.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Oh believe me, I realize the current roster AV has is not the same roster Hakstol and Gordon had. Adding Niskanen, Braun and Hayes has been a big help. having Provorov revert back to the more consistent dman he was his first 2 seasons helps greatly. And Hart and Elliott being here from day one and healthy respectively has been a big help.

But I do think adding 3 experienced coaches has been a positive.

Oh believe me, I realize the current roster AV has is not the same roster Hakstol and Gordon had. Adding Niskanen, Braun and Hayes has been a big help. having Provorov revert back to the more consistent dman he was his first 2 seasons helps greatly. And Hart and Elliott being here from day one and healthy respectively has been a big help.

But I do think adding 3 experienced coaches has been a positive.
- nastyflyergirl

With or without the new players there is no doubt that Vigneault is a big upgrade over Hakstol. I'll say it again, Hakstol is a pretty good hockey coach but he was learning on the job as an NHL coach. The best thing for him was to go to an assistant's level if wants to be a head coach again in the NHL. Hakstol did not have the weight or the credibility that Vigneault has. It was clear last season that Hakstol did not know how to get the team out of it's confidence funk and they weren't going to respond to him. Many more experienced NHL head coaches have found themselves in the same position. I also personally like Vigneault's puck pressure overload systems better than Hakstol's more basic systems. Let's not forget though that systems only work if the players on the ice execute it. Vigneault's been fired a couple of times.

At the end of the day to me, he had an incredibly flawed roster. He still had a winning record. Lets also not pretend Gordon did much better. I did the calculation before and if I remember correctly Haks winning % was 45% and Gordon was 52%.

Gordon had the benefit of using Hart, the changes Fletcher made to the roster and the Veterans performing which as we know is still an issue today.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

roster players shouldn't matter if they are in the nhl. No not the same...but the best team on paper every year doesn't win the cup....the president's trophy winning team doesn't always or rarely wins the cup. The team is the coaches to manage.

I was not thrilled with hak as he was supposed to help with the development of the young players....i am seeing more of this from AV than i did Hak. But did not hate him, hextal said it would take time.

AV is holding his players accountable, which in Haks defense is hard to do with your first job in the NHL. People laughed when Berube was named head coach...well St.Louis was fine with it. A lot of people hated stevens....and he wasn't the head coach at the time, but helped LA win. Multiple things come into play. three years ago babcock was hands down the best coach in the sport....well I'd rather have trotz

Yes it takes a good team...but a great coach can push the right buttons and lead them. Know when to push, when to coddle and when to mean stare.

roster players shouldn't matter if they are in the nhl. No not the same...but the best team on paper every year doesn't win the cup....the president's trophy winning team doesn't always or rarely wins the cup. The team is the coaches to manage.

I was not thrilled with hak as he was supposed to help with the development of the young players....i am seeing more of this from AV than i did Hak. But did not hate him, hextal said it would take time.

AV is holding his players accountable, which in Haks defense is hard to do with your first job in the NHL. People laughed when Berube was named head coach...well St.Louis was fine with it. A lot of people hated stevens....and he wasn't the head coach at the time, but helped LA win. Multiple things come into play. three years ago babcock was hands down the best coach in the sport....well I'd rather have trotz

Yes it takes a good team...but a great coach can push the right buttons and lead them. Know when to push, when to coddle and when to mean stare.
- Peter Richards

Hard to understand how you're seeing more of young player development under Vigneault than under Hakstol. Vigneeault is the beneficiary of all the development work that Hakstol put in with Konecny, Sanheim, Provorov and Lindblom. Vigneault has received the developed NHL player rather than the young players breaking in making repeated mistakes and not fully ready to produce at the level they're at now. Hakstol was very good with player development. That wasn't where the issue was.
I also don't see how Vigneault if holding more players accountable. It's much easier to move players out of spots when you have more quality players to work with. When you have a lesser roster, it far more difficult.

Hard to understand how you're seeing more of young player development under Vigneault than under Hakstol. Vigneeault is the beneficiary of all the development work that Hakstol put in with Konecny, Sanheim, Provorov and Lindblom. Vigneault has received the developed NHL player rather than the young players breaking in making repeated mistakes and not fully ready to produce at the level they're at now. Hakstol was very good with player development. That wasn't where the issue was.
I also don't see how Vigneault if holding more players accountable. It's much easier to move players out of spots when you have more quality players to work with. When you have a lesser roster, it far more difficult.
- MJL

Well AV is breaking in players with nice upside like Farabee, Myers and Frosty. Doing a good job too.

Just back in town and had a chance to watch the game. Frost is sneaky good, he anticipates like G does, hoping 48 is the right number for him. I like the edge of Nak, Provy really feeling it and Kase is noticeable. Hart, what can you say.

Let’s hope the flyers play better Thursday

not to dwell....i think the nisky boarding of kase last night was worse than the farabee hit. hope he's not suspended for 42 games
- Peter Richards

Not sure I agree. Kase appeared to raise up a bit before the hit then stayed lower. I think it's clear there was no intent to injure there.

Farabee's hit was just way too late to justify, imo.

With or without the new players there is no doubt that Vigneault is a big upgrade over Hakstol. I'll say it again, Hakstol is a pretty good hockey coach but he was learning on the job as an NHL coach. The best thing for him was to go to an assistant's level if wants to be a head coach again in the NHL. Hakstol did not have the weight or the credibility that Vigneault has. It was clear last season that Hakstol did not know how to get the team out of it's confidence funk and they weren't going to respond to him. Many more experienced NHL head coaches have found themselves in the same position. I also personally like Vigneault's puck pressure overload systems better than Hakstol's more basic systems. Let's not forget though that systems only work if the players on the ice execute it. Vigneault's been fired a couple of times.
- MJL

Not to be overly reductive, but it seems the team is having a lot more FUN this season -- for whatever reason -- and it definitely helps them on the ice.

whether an injury occurred is all that matters for some reason. Ellis got away with a flying elbow and Okposo got away with boarding Dermott yesterday
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Okposo’s bothers me bc he has had terrible concussions himself. Why try to dish it.

Not to be overly reductive, but it seems the team is having a lot more FUN this season -- for whatever reason -- and it definitely helps them on the ice.
- Tomahawk

They no longer get scowled at by the head coach

Not to be overly reductive, but it seems the team is having a lot more FUN this season -- for whatever reason -- and it definitely helps them on the ice.
- Tomahawk

Pizza fixes everything

Pizza fixes everything
- hereticpride

#Carbloading

Not to be overly reductive, but it seems the team is having a lot more FUN this season -- for whatever reason -- and it definitely helps them on the ice.
- Tomahawk

The entire team was pretty much in the dumps mentally last season. It started with the goaltending and snowballed from there.

The entire team was pretty much in the dumps mentally last season. It started with the goaltending and snowballed from there.
- MJL

when teams have good goaltending, coaches dont get fired even if the rest of the team is playing like poop

when teams have bad goaltending, coaches get fired even if the rest of the team is playing well

when teams have good goaltending, coaches dont get fired even if the rest of the team is playing like poop

when teams have bad goaltending, coaches get fired even if the rest of the team is playing well
- bulet13

Teams with good goaltending can still have bad records leading to the coach getting fired. Where did Vigneault get fired from at his last gig before landing the Flyers job?

So thats what the Wells Fargo Center looks like with people in the seats

So thats what the Wells Fargo Center looks like with people in the seats
- KINGKENZO

Comcast must be going bonkers. All the changes and a competitive team yet empty seats. Maybe lack of attendance the last few years had just as much to do with price as it did with lack of winning.

yeah the old flyers newsgroup (going WAY back) had a block button. really help wade thru stuff you didn't want to see
- nastyflyergirl

That’s way back...

Comcast must be going bonkers. All the changes and a competitive team yet empty seats. Maybe lack of attendance the last few years had just as much to do with price as it did with lack of winning.
- Hextall271

Flyers games are way too overpriced. That combined with year after year of frustrating hockey and no one should be surprised in attendance taking a dip. It's going to take more than one month of solid hockey to bring those people back...

Plus the lines are always too long.
- Scoob

this reminded me of the old joke

The food is at this place is really terrible
Yeah and such small portions too