Skinner scores 30-40 in his sleep ...... he is one of the last person to worry about.


Bogo
Miller
Johansson
Mitts (yes I know he’s in roch)
McCabe
Sheary
Vesey

I would worry about those bums not producing or even playing average

LOG line has been fine

Look at the points drop off Girgs is tied for 5th in goals. Let that sink in
- Sabretooth9

Girgs & Larsson should be extended with multi-year deals

Firing a GM every three years does nothing but set this franchise back. I think he gets another year, at least, maybe more.

Fight me.
- Powerslave

Can't fight you on that.

Skinner scored 40 goals once, has never had back to back 30 goal seasons in his career.

He is not a problem, but if Reinhart and Skinner are your 2nd and 3rd best forwards, that is a problem.
- Pegullaville

That’s why we tanked last year
Maybe we should again??

Skinner-Rhino-Vesey
You got your sniper, somebody to set up that sniper and you got someone to work the boards

The season is toast. People seem to be in denial about that. You don't lose a must-win game against the Ottawa Senators if you're a playoff team. To some extent, Botterill finished what Darcy started in '13, but he has no idea how to build a team, especially when it comes to evaluating forwards.

The way forward as I see it:

- After the holidays, give Botterill his walking papers

- Name Krueger interim GM and allow him and Randy Sexton to sell off Botterill's rentals - all of them.

- Bring Lindy Ruff home this spring and name him VP of Hockey Ops

- Have Lindy and Freddy lead the search for a new GM


This team will continue to go nowhere under the guidance of Jason Botterill. We can accept that or continue to believe he'll figure it out - which he won't

The season is toast. People seem to be in denial about that. You don't lose a must-win game against the Ottawa Senators if you're a playoff team. To some extent, Botterill finished what Darcy started in '13, but he has no idea how to build a team, especially when it comes to evaluating forwards.

- The way forward as I see it:

- After the holidays, give Botterill his walking papers

- Name Krueger interim GM and allow him and Randy Sexton to sell off Botterill's rentals - all of them.

- Bring Lindy Ruff home this spring and name him VP of Hockey Ops

- Have Lindy and Freddy lead the search for a new GM


This team will continue to go nowhere under the guidance of Jason Botterill. We can accept that or continue to believe he'll figure it out - which he won't
- jcragcrumple

Had a hand in building some cup teams in Pittsburgh

The season is toast. People seem to be in denial about that. You don't lose a must-win game against the Ottawa Senators if you're a playoff team. To some extent, Botterill finished what Darcy started in '13, but he has no idea how to build a team, especially when it comes to evaluating forwards.

The way forward as I see it:

- After the holidays, give Botterill his walking papers

- Name Krueger interim GM and allow him and Randy Sexton to sell off Botterill's rentals - all of them.

- Bring Lindy Ruff home this spring and name him VP of Hockey Ops

- Have Lindy and Freddy lead the search for a new GM


This team will continue to go nowhere under the guidance of Jason Botterill. We can accept that or continue to believe he'll figure it out - which he won't
- jcragcrumple

If/when Cozens &/or Mitts develop into a really good 2C, then how much of a failure is Botts?

Is he really horrible at building a team?
Or is he just not doing it fast enough?

My thoughts on the quality of Sabres Roster by position.
Extremely week at key positions.
Time us now to begin to upgrade for the long term, not stop-gap measures.

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The season is toast. People seem to be in denial about that. You don't lose a must-win game against the Ottawa Senators if you're a playoff team. To some extent, Botterill finished what Darcy started in '13, but he has no idea how to build a team, especially when it comes to evaluating forwards.

The way forward as I see it:

- After the holidays, give Botterill his walking papers

- Name Krueger interim GM and allow him and Randy Sexton to sell off Botterill's rentals - all of them.

- Bring Lindy Ruff home this spring and name him VP of Hockey Ops

- Have Lindy and Freddy lead the search for a new GM


This team will continue to go nowhere under the guidance of Jason Botterill. We can accept that or continue to believe he'll figure it out - which he won't
- jcragcrumple

Others are in denial? 😂

Who wants Botts' "rentals"? Don't you think BOGO, etc would have been jettisoned already?

Botts doesn't know "how to build a team", but you're going to give the keys to a guy that was out of hockey for 5 years? 😂

What has Lindy proven at the executive level? Nothing. Yet you're going to give the keys to him.

You build a team through the draft, that's how you build a team.

Skinner scored 40 goals once, has never had back to back 30 goal seasons in his career.

He is not a problem, but if Reinhart and Skinner are your 2nd and 3rd best forwards, that is a problem.
- Pegullaville

the gap between Tarasenko and Perron vs Skinner and Skunk is minimal

If/when Cozens &/or Mitts develop into a really good 2C, then how much of a failure is Botts?

Is he really horrible at building a team?
Or is he just not doing it fast enough?
- jdfitz77

Your last sentence is spot on. People can't see the forest for the trees, and it's because we're 8 years removed from a playoff spot.

Had a hand in building some cup teams in Pittsburgh
- Buff36

he is building a sh!thouse here

he is building a sh!thouse here
- homiedclown

Do we know that yet?

His draft picks aren't here yet.

If/when Cozens &/or Mitts develop into a really good 2C, then how much of a failure is Botts?

Is he really horrible at building a team?
Or is he just not doing it fast enough?
- jdfitz77

I have agreed with Botts’ patience method and not overspending to acquire assets. However you can’t miss on a top 10 pick.

I have no idea what happened to Mittelstadt, this was a guy who was universally ranked as a top 5 prospect by literally anyone who evaluates prospects. His fall from grace is 50% his own doing and 50% due to Botts’ mismanagement of him. Hopefully he can figure it out but if he doesn’t, that will be Botts’ demise.

I have agreed with Botts’ patience method and not overspending to acquire assets. However you can’t miss on a top 10 pick.

I have no idea what happened to Mittelstadt, this was a guy who was universally ranked as a top 5 prospect by literally anyone who evaluates prospects. His fall from grace is 50% his own doing and 50% due to Botts’ mismanagement of him. Hopefully he can figure it out but if he doesn’t, that will be Botts’ demise.
- Pegullaville

8 first round misses weren't Darcy's demise.

Why should one be Botts' demise?

the gap between Tarasenko and Perron vs Skinner and Skunk is minimal
- homiedclown

the gap between Tarasenko and Schenn and Skinner and Skunk is larger.

If/when Cozens &/or Mitts develop into a really good 2C, then how much of a failure is Botts?

- jdfitz77

how does our D look?


he added dahlin, montour, joker, and miller

to go with scandella



the d is still brutal, and one of our 6 best d men , pilut, is learning nothing in rochester

he needs to be here, and when a player not in your future plans, bogo, wants out he should never see the ice again



hutton is a mess, call up johansson or hammond, they can carry 3 goalies


the middle 6 is brutal
vesey, johansson, sheary, e-rod, sobotka, etc
those are botts guys


usually in year 3 of a tenure, you see positives across the board

I don't see it with our d, our middle 6 or with hutton
let alone our special teams and coaching

I don't think kruger is any better then housley, and he certainly does not move the needle which you need in a small market


why are we slightly better, jack is in his prime
period



can he save the season, perhaps

we are thin with prospects up front, in part because of all the d men picked


the middle 6 might be worse then the tank years

8 first round misses weren't Darcy's demise.

Why should one be Botts' demise?
- Powerslave

The entire structure of his team was built on Mittelstadt’s success. If he would have came in and performed like everyone thought he would this team would have the 2C it’s banging the table for and we would be a legit playoff threat.

When that didn’t happen he didn’t have a stop gap option and Mojo is a 3LW playing 2C.

Botts’ method is the proper way of building a team, but if you’re using the draft to add talent and build the right way, you can’t miss on the picks.

I have agreed with Botts’ patience method and not overspending to acquire assets. However you can’t miss on a top 10 pick.

I have no idea what happened to Mittelstadt, this was a guy who was universally ranked as a top 5 prospect by literally anyone who evaluates prospects. His fall from grace is 50% his own doing and 50% due to Botts’ mismanagement of him. Hopefully he can figure it out but if he doesn’t, that will be Botts’ demise.
- Pegullaville

Happens in Hockey, and there's been quite a few, they are drafted so young

Would have been nice having Compher, Zadarov, Roslovic, damn one of the picks used in the Fasching trade was Cernak, filling spots over the last few years.

The entire structure of his team was built on Mittelstadt’s success. If he would have came in and performed like everyone thought he would this team would have the 2C it’s banging the table for and we would be a legit playoff threat.

When that didn’t happen he didn’t have a stop gap option and Mojo is a 3LW playing 2C.

Botts’ method is the proper way of building a team, but if you’re using the draft to add talent and build the right way, you can’t miss on the picks.
- Pegullaville

He didn't "miss" on the pick.

YOU think he did because he mismanaged the player. There's still time for the player AND the organization to correct this.

the gap between Tarasenko and Schenn and Skinner and Skunk is larger.
- Pegullaville

agreed, due to botts not addressing the center


adding olofsson with skinner and skunk, you have the wingers for a top 6 to be a playoff team

Do we know that yet?

His draft picks aren't here yet.
- Powerslave

I meant at key bank center

We can blame Botts all we want for some of the players he has brought in, but half of them wouldn't be here if he had anything in the pipeline for the last few years to fill those spots.

agreed, due to botts not addressing the center


adding olofsson with skinner and skunk, you have the wingers for a top 6 to be a playoff team
- homiedclown

The drop off between Eichel and Johansson is insane. Botts is crazy not to have fixed the 2C position.

Then the drop off between Eichel and e rod

Uglyyyyyytt