I mean, you're still here after what has amounted to 50 years of futility correct? Little self reflection maybe? Sounds like you like the abuse as well, but like to "punch back" as if that makes the aforementioned abuse ok. So, in advice, maybe don't be a fan? Don't talk to other fans, or in general, be around the Sabres at all. I mean, if we are gonna use your advice on "how to be a fan". Douche.

And I'll take a ban on that.
- SDSabre

Go F@ck yourself dude way to be Ass.You want a pat on the back you annoying ass troll, same s#it for almost a month now. Go spend sometime with your family or something.
- Slapjackzack

Besides really dumb analogies and the fact you can’t make up your mind, I think we’re all good here
- sbroads24

he needed a better option then johansson as second line center though


we wasted last season with eichel and about to waste this season as well

he needs playoff experience
- homiedclown

Well you’re more in the know than the rest of us

Was trading for someone like Brayden Point really an option?

Bc if u asked me this past summer, what was a better option...
-MoJo as a 2C place holder for a year or 2 till Mitts &/or Cozens were ready
OR
-bringing in a guy like Turris (who u mention frequently) with 5 years left on his deal (even if they eat some Cap, which Nashville doesn’t do btw)

Then MoJo was CLEARLY an easy choice then
And still is imo

I don’t really remember many 2C options in free agency
Nelson stayed with NyI
Hayes got traded to Philly & signed
*and i don’t like their contracts at all anyways

Who else was out there?
Teams don’t just trade away good 2C options
They happily dump guys like Turris,
if they find a sucker
Or give up on 3C players like Rask
Or you can trade for & overpay 3C guys like Coyle,
and then we’d all be p!ssed we are stuck with an very overpaid 3C who is playing 2C and not doing it well enough

Ppl act like it was a simple task to just bring in a 2C who’d be good now
What 2C moved teams that you’d have liked here to actually FIX the situation?
I doubt that many would say there was clearly a better move made by any team than us getting MoJo for 2years at a decent Cap Hit as a placeholder for 2 top10 drafted guys that should become really good players sooner than later


EDIT
Kadri would’ve been perfect, but I’m guessing there was just no way that type of deal was gonna happen between us & the Leafs

Frank the Raiders
- Pegullaville

- homiedclown

Well you’re more in the know than the rest of us
Was trading for someone like Brayden Point really an option?
Bc if u asked me this past summer, what was a better option...
-MoJo as a 2C place holder for a year or 2 till Mitts &/or Cozens were ready
OR
-bringing in a guy like Turris (who u mention frequently) with 5 years left on his deal (even if they eat some Cap, which Nashville doesn’t do btw)

Then MoJo was CLEARLY an easy choice then
And still is imo

I don’t really remember many 2C options in free agency
Nelson stayed with NyI
Hayes got traded to Philly & signed
*and i don’t like their contracts at all anyways

Who else was out there?
Teams don’t just trade away good 2C options
They happily dump guys like Turris,
if they find a sucker
Or give up on 3C players like Rask
Or you can trade for & overpay 3C guys like Coyle,
and then we’d all be p!ssed we are stuck with an very overpaid 3C who is playing 2C and not doing it well enough

Ppl act like it was a simple task to just bring in a 2C who’d be good now
Who moved teams that you’d have liked here to actually FIX the situation?
I doubt that many would say there was clearly a better move made by any team than us getting MoJo for 2years at a decent Cap Hit as a placeholder for 2 top10 drafted guys that should become really good players sooner than later
- jdfitz77

we know kadri was out there

of course he would have had to overpay


Getzlaf fits the time frame, if the ducks eats part of the contract


I still think the blue jackets would be a good trade partner


Zajac fits the timeline



I think they really thought casey would be ready for the number 2 center, and early on in training camp it was a no go


it's ok to bank on something, but botts should have reacted and overpaid when that was not going to work out for the 19-20 season

The only 2C that has been moved since July 1st was Kadri, and they weren’t trading him to us.

MoJo is a fine player, just not a good center

And if Mitts & Cozens work out to be good top6 guys, then your whole theory about evaluating forward talent goes right out the window

Guys like Sheary, Vesey, etc weren’t meant to be roster players here when this team is competing for a Cup
They were meant to help us be better now than the previous garbage we had in the bottom6 and were pretending were NHL players
And be a bridge until the young talent he’s been drafting can get here
That’s the only way guys like Berglund & Sobotka made any sense at all
Bc they didn’t fit the type of team Botts said he was trying to build
But they were also much better options than Nolan, Griffith, Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, and so on

If GMTM knew what the F he was doing,
then we’d at least have had some decent middle6 talent & Botts wouldn’t have had to “band aid” the situation with players that he almost certainly never saw here long term

Botts isn’t building his team around these guys
They’re the bridge to get him to the team he’s building

I get that you’ve lost trust in him
But how good does our top6 look if/when Mitts & Cozens work out?
They’re the ones who are gonna determine what this team becomes
Along with all the young defense he’s brought in & drafted
And the young goalies he’s picked

Those are the guys that’ll determine Botts legacy
Not MoJo, Berglund, Scandella, etc

Pretty much unanimously, everyone on here wanted Botts to build the right way and NOT pull a GMTM with drastic overpayments for trades
Now we aren’t good as soon as we’d hoped,
and everyone seems to want GMTM like moves again
And a lot of names i hear thrown out there aren’t even good players, they’re just ok guys that their current teams would love to get rid of
- jdfitz77

The simplest answer is this:

JB should have traded for Haula instead of Miller. There are other answers, but it's not worth getting into the weeds debating what players were or weren't available.

We all recognized in July that he over invested in defense and didnt address the forwards properly

If a bunch of idiots on the internet saw it, Botterill should have seen it. Either he didn't or it was too late after he traded for Montour, Miller and Joker. In any case, he put himself in this position, not Murray. JB was gifted a 1st and "4th" line. He's had a year and a half since he traded ROR. All of it is unacceptable imo.

Merry Christmas and god bless us, everyone



It's a situation where JB wasted another year

If GMTM knew what the F he was doing, the Sabres wouldn’t have Dahlin.

trust me I am anything but a snowflake

comparing skinner to physical abuse is wrong on every level


all sabre fans should be better then this, it's what should separate us from the skank fans across north america
- homiedclown

It's comparing Sabres fans to abused spouses who unwittingly, who can't help themselves but keep coming back to the players they are devoted to even though they , the players, don't deserve it. Blind loyalty.

PC has hit a Trump supporter and fake consternation is it because if the loyalty to Jeffy, I bet it is, considering the president and the close to 20 women he allegedly abused. I thought Americans were better than that but I was wrong and many supported that among a lot of other terrible things that many in the Christian faith can no longer support.

we know kadri was out there

of course he would have had to overpay


Getzlaf fits the time frame, if the ducks eats part of the contract


I still think the blue jackets would be a good trade partner


Zajac fits the timeline



I think they really thought casey would be ready for the number 2 center, and early on in training camp it was a no go


it's ok to bank on something, but botts should have reacted and overpaid when that was not going to work out for the 19-20 season
- homiedclown

But none of those options happened except Kadri
And i think it’s safe to say a big deal like that with the Leafs wasn’t happening

Yeah, they probably thought Mitts would be the 2C at some point this year
MoJo was the backup plan
Hasn’t been great results

But are u hearing good options that Botts is passing on NOW?
Bc you’re saying he should fix it
But the experts have been saying that Botts has been trying to do so for over a month now,
and there just doesn’t seem to be a deal to be made

If GMTM knew what the F he was doing, the Sabres wouldn’t have Dahlin.
- PrinceChill

Pretty much yea

It's comparing Sabres fans to abused spouses who unwittingly, who can't help themselves but keep coming back to the players they are devoted to even though they , the players, don't deserve it. Blind loyalty.

PC has hit a Trump supporter and fake consternation is it because if the loyalty to Jeffy, I bet it is, considering the president and the close to 20 women he allegedly abused. I thought Americans were better than that but I was wrong and many supported that among a lot of other terrible things that many in the Christian faith can no longer support.
- GilPerreault11

I am a Trump supporter


it's wrong to compare abused spouses to anything related to sabre fans, or be in a conversation with Skinner


period



but keep trying to defend it

The simplest answer is this:

JB should have traded for Haula instead of Miller. There are other answers, but it's not worth getting into the weeds debating what players were or weren't available.

We all recognized in July that he over invested in defense and didnt address the forwards properly

If a bunch of idiots on the internet saw it, Botterill should have seen it. Either he didn't or it was too late after he traded for Montour, Miller and Joker. In any case, he put himself in this position, not Murray. JB was gifted a 1st and "4th" line. He's had a year and a half since he traded ROR. All of it is unacceptable imo.

Merry Christmas and god bless us, everyone



It's a situation where JB wasted another year
- jcragcrumple

Sure and all of the same idiots know we need to trade for a 2C too, I don’t think Botts needed an MBA from Michigan to figure that one out.

Apart from Kadri I have not seen another player be moved of quality that would move the needle enough to take a top 3-4 spot in our own division

I mean, you're still here after what has amounted to 50 years of futility correct? Little self reflection maybe? Sounds like you like the abuse as well, but like to "punch back" as if that makes the aforementioned abuse ok. So, in advice, maybe don't be a fan? Don't talk to other fans, or in general, be around the Sabres at all. I mean, if we are gonna use your advice on "how to be a fan". Douche.

And I'll take a ban on that.
- SDSabre

Being a fan is one thing, but only being a pathetic card-carrying for the underachieving is another. You should be held up for that, in my opinion.

Being a fan is one thing, but only being a pathetic card-carrying for the underachieving is another. You should be held up for that, in my opinion.
- GilPerreault11

So what exactly are we supposed to do? Hate Jeff Skinner, who's a really good player because he’s overpaid?

Are fans not allowed to like him because he makes 9 mil?

Do you have any self awareness of how stupid you’ve sounded again today?

Sure and all of the same idiots know we need to trade for a 2C too, I don’t think Botts needed an MBA from Michigan to figure that one out.

Apart from Kadri I have not seen another player be moved of quality that would move the needle enough to take a top 3-4 spot in our own division
- Pegullaville

There were and are options. Botterill chose to focus his assets on the blueline. That's on him. He paid the premium RHD murrancy of a 1st and Guhle and then his roster construction forced Montour to the left side or 4LW.

The entire roster shows the signs of not being thought out at all - medium term you have Joker, Miller, Montour, Risto and Borgen as RHD. There's absolutely no plan here

There were and are options. Botterill chose to focus his assets on the blueline. That's on him. He paid the premium RHD murrancy of a 1st and Guhle and then his roster construction forced Montour to the left side or 4LW.

The entire roster shows the signs of not being thought out at all - medium term you have Joker, Miller, Montour, Risto and Borgen as RHD. There's absolutely no plan here
- jcragcrumple

The Montour trade was fine, your original view point of Haula over Miller makes sense. However, how did Botts know that Bowman was gonna bend over and take it in the behind and give up Joker for Nylander ?

Now he’s struggling to find value for his d-man but why make the trade when demand is low.

When you sell your house should you do it in the middle of a recession and demand is low ? Or when housing prices are sky rocketing

We shouldn’t just give away a d-man because we have an over abundance and sell for pennies on the dollar.

Be patient and wait for the right time.

I am a Trump supporter


it's wrong to compare abused spouses to anything related to sabre fans, or be in a conversation with Skinner


period



but keep trying to defend it
- homiedclown

What makes it so wrong, that analogy has been used in literature again and again and not a problem but only when Sabres fans are involved. Sabres fans are soft, the new generation.

MoJo is a fine player, just not a good center

And if Mitts & Cozens work out to be good top6 guys, then your whole theory about evaluating forward talent goes right out the window

Guys like Sheary, Vesey, etc weren’t meant to be roster players here when this team is competing for a Cup
They were meant to help us be better now than the previous garbage we had in the bottom6 and were pretending were NHL players
And be a bridge until the young talent he’s been drafting can get here
That’s the only way guys like Berglund & Sobotka made any sense at all
Bc they didn’t fit the type of team Botts said he was trying to build
But they were also much better options than Nolan, Griffith, Baptiste, Bailey, Fasching, and so on

If GMTM knew what the F he was doing,
then we’d at least have had some decent middle6 talent & Botts wouldn’t have had to “band aid” the situation with players that he almost certainly never saw here long term

Botts isn’t building his team around these guys
They’re the bridge to get him to the team he’s building

I get that you’ve lost trust in him
But how good does our top6 look if/when Mitts & Cozens work out?
They’re the ones who are gonna determine what this team becomes
Along with all the young defense he’s brought in & drafted
And the young goalies he’s picked

Those are the guys that’ll determine Botts legacy
Not MoJo, Berglund, Scandella, etc

Pretty much unanimously, everyone on here wanted Botts to build the right way and NOT pull a GMTM with drastic overpayments for trades
Now we aren’t good as soon as we’d hoped,
and everyone seems to want GMTM like moves again
And a lot of names i hear thrown out there aren’t even good players, they’re just ok guys that their current teams would love to get rid of
- jdfitz77

Good post

So what exactly are we supposed to do? Hate Jeff Skinner, who's a really good player because he’s overpaid?

Are fans not allowed to like him because he makes 9 mil?

Do you have any self awareness of how stupid you’ve sounded again today?
- sbroads24

hate him because the inexperienced coach keeps him off the first team pp and plays him with larsson or e rod

or a winger as his center


makes perfect sense




that's like hating Bruce Smith because Sean Moran played beside him

Well you’re more in the know than the rest of us

Was trading for someone like Brayden Point really an option?

Bc if u asked me this past summer, what was a better option...
-MoJo as a 2C place holder for a year or 2 till Mitts &/or Cozens were ready
OR
-bringing in a guy like Turris (who u mention frequently) with 5 years left on his deal (even if they eat some Cap, which Nashville doesn’t do btw)

Then MoJo was CLEARLY an easy choice then
And still is imo

I don’t really remember many 2C options in free agency
Nelson stayed with NyI
Hayes got traded to Philly & signed
*and i don’t like their contracts at all anyways

Who else was out there?
Teams don’t just trade away good 2C options
They happily dump guys like Turris,
if they find a sucker
Or give up on 3C players like Rask
Or you can trade for & overpay 3C guys like Coyle,
and then we’d all be p!ssed we are stuck with an very overpaid 3C who is playing 2C and not doing it well enough

Ppl act like it was a simple task to just bring in a 2C who’d be good now
What 2C moved teams that you’d have liked here to actually FIX the situation?
I doubt that many would say there was clearly a better move made by any team than us getting MoJo for 2years at a decent Cap Hit as a placeholder for 2 top10 drafted guys that should become really good players sooner than later


EDIT
Kadri would’ve been perfect, but I’m guessing there was just no way that type of deal was gonna happen between us & the Leafs
- jdfitz77

And just maybe Botts was hoping that by Christmas that Mitts would have taken over the 2C spot and would be able to move Mojo to wing

What makes it so wrong, .
- GilPerreault11

damn I now know what the lady doctor felt like when she was trying to explain to the joker that his "jokes" were wrong

But none of those options happened except Kadri
And i think it’s safe to say a big deal like that with the Leafs wasn’t happening

Yeah, they probably thought Mitts would be the 2C at some point this year
MoJo was the backup plan
Hasn’t been great results

But are u hearing good options that Botts is passing on NOW?
Bc you’re saying he should fix it
But the experts have been saying that Botts has been trying to do so for over a month now,
and there just doesn’t seem to be a deal to be made
- jdfitz77

botts is in panic mode


expect an over pay in the next 2 weeks