the one roster problem with anderson - the rags managed his deal poorly and he'll need protection in the expansion draft.

but so will bracco, so at least that part seems fair?
- Tumbleweed

Well andersonn doesn’t have good value right now and likely won’t until he builds it up again. But won’t on the Rangers.

I think Bracco for Georgiev is fair.

Maybe the Leafs would have to give up more than Timo for Andersonn.

The thing with Georgiev is he is an RFA. If the Leafs can’t afford to re up him they can trade him at the draft to recoup lost picks.

The leafs should avoid trading for overpaid players with term

Vatanen
Martinez
Brodie/Hamonic

Lesser extent Dillon

Those are rentals I’d be interested in.

But I’d go big on Ekholm
- Santo_44

I think everyone would go big on Ekholm. At $3.75 for 2 years after this year, if I'm Nashville I'm not trading him unless it's a significant return. I'd consider this year more of a blip.

Like . . .if I just tool around on cap friendly and I look at age, term and consider the team's goals, there aren't many targets available.

You've got Lindholm off of Anaheim ($5.25), Ryan Murray off of Columbus (I don't really like him that much, though, and not at $4.6), Brodin ($4.2) . . .

I base this on the consideration that if a team is in the playoffs or the playoff hunt, they're not going to want to make another playoff eligible team better. They are probably looking to stay as strong as they are or get stronger as well. Some teams haven't committed to rebuilding or retooling (like Minnesota as an example), and some teams are in a rebuild mode so they have young pieces that they are hoping to integrate into their core (like an Ottawa or Jersey).

Teams on the downswing like Anaheim, LA, Detroit, San Jose and Chicago don't have a lot of movable or enticing defensive parts.

Well andersonn doesn’t have good value right now and likely won’t until he builds it up again. But won’t on the Rangers.

I think Bracco for Georgiev is fair.

Maybe the Leafs would have to give up more than Timo for Andersonn.

The thing with Georgiev is he is an RFA. If the Leafs can’t afford to re up him they can trade him at the draft to recoup lost picks.
- Santo_44

Doubt very much that the back up goalie is as much of a burning issue as finding another NHL caliber d-man to replace Marincin. At the very least Keefe has given Hutchinson some much needed confidence - especially with the surprise start against the Islanders.

Just for fun, I hopped on Ticketmaster and looked at the price for tickets for the Leafs @ Florida for Sunday.

$79 to sit 6th row, behind the Panthers' net. That's a little too low for me (the location, not the price).

$82 to sit in 12th row behind the Panthers' net. That's probably the perfect seat, IMHO. Maybe a couple rows higher.

I think everyone would go big on Ekholm. At $3.75 for 2 years after this year, if I'm Nashville I'm not trading him unless it's a significant return. I'd consider this year more of a blip.

Like . . .if I just tool around on cap friendly and I look at age, term and consider the team's goals, there aren't many targets available.

You've got Lindholm off of Anaheim ($5.25), Ryan Murray off of Columbus (I don't really like him that much, though, and not at $4.6), Brodin ($4.2) . . .

I base this on the consideration that if a team is in the playoffs or the playoff hunt, they're not going to want to make another playoff eligible team better. They are probably looking to stay as strong as they are or get stronger as well. Some teams haven't committed to rebuilding or retooling (like Minnesota as an example), and some teams are in a rebuild mode so they have young pieces that they are hoping to integrate into their core (like an Ottawa or Jersey).

Teams on the downswing like Anaheim, LA, Detroit, San Jose and Chicago don't have a lot of movable or enticing defensive parts.
- Monkeypunk

feels like there should be deal to be made around ceci, braco + stuff for manson, miller & things.

Just curious : what's the price to unload Price?
what's the price to unload Eriksson?
what's the price to unload Eric Karlsson?

How can Vancouver unload the Luongo obligation?

Asking for a friend.
- winsix

With salary retention you could move Price and Karlsson pretty easily. Eric Karlsson as a $7.5m defenseman is a deal I'd make all day every day if I needed an elite puck moving defenseman.

If I had a team that played more solid defense and could insulate Price from the bombardment, I'd take him at $6.5m - but Montreal has no heir apparent, and they aren't under a cap crunch, so it's an academic conversation.

Eriksson is a buy-out candidate, so you'd have to have a team that was committed to rebuilding (with no immediate cap crunch) and had cap space and a 1st round pick and prospect probably gets you out of that hole, too. Ottawa, if not for Melnyk, would come to mind.

You can't unload the Luongo obligation. That's not moving an "anyone", that's moving a contractual penalty.

Just for fun, I hopped on Ticketmaster and looked at the price for tickets for the Leafs @ Florida for Sunday.

$79 to sit 6th row, behind the Panthers' net. That's a little too low for me (the location, not the price).

$82 to sit in 12th row behind the Panthers' net. That's probably the perfect seat, IMHO. Maybe a couple rows higher.
- Atomic Wedgie

One funny little tidbit:

If you do a sort on the ticketmaster site, the 2nd most expensive ticket in the building is $280.

The most expensive ticket in the building is $600 (there's a pair).

Those $600 seats are front row, right next to the Leafs' bench.

There may not be a lot of Florida fans, but at least one of them isn't stupid.

Doubt very much that the back up goalie is as much of a burning issue as finding another NHL caliber d-man to replace Marincin. At the very least Keefe has given Hutchinson some much needed confidence - especially with the surprise start against the Islanders.
- winsix

As long as they continue to play the way they did against those Islanders, I think Hutch will be fine.. We can't have a repeat of that Oilers game..

new blog my tender ones

That's a good point. It is slightly risky to bring up guys who are untested at this level, but in an insulated 5/6 role it might not be so bad. I think one of the things keeping them reserved was how Sandin was getting run in his earlier audition. It sounds like I'm advocating for Ceci here, and I'm not, but I will say two things: (1) He is not bad as a 5/6 guy and (2) he's fairly sturdy, having played in 70+ in all years since his rookie year.
- Monkeypunk

i do agree
comes down to $$ for me, at 1 mil or less I wouldnt really care.
at 4.5 in a cap crunch ..thats not good

feels like there should be deal to be made around ceci, braco + stuff for manson, miller & things.
- Tumbleweed

It's not a bad consideration. Certainly with Anaheim entering a rebuild mode, they should be considering options. Both Manson and Miller have limited NTCs (12 team, and 6 team lists; don't know, obviously, if we're on it or not). Assuming we're not, the framework is okay.

Anaheim isn't going to sweat losing 39 year old Miller in his last year.
As you and Santo point out, Ceci is really a position & salary balance, so he has no value other than as an offset, and he won't be resigned either.
For what it's worth, Miller still has more value than Ceci does here.

Then you get into the Bracco for Manson side of things, and you figure - what things does Anaheim want in addition, because that's clearly not enough. Add Robertson or Sandin or Liljegren and picks? We don't have a first. How weak of a draft do we want to support if we include a 2nd?

We wouldn't do Sandin. I also don't think we'd want to do Robertson. I doubt Woll or Scott offer Anaheim much that they need since Gibson is signed for the next forever.

But Bracco+Liljegren+2nd . . . maybe. It depends on what value Bracco really has. I would get the feeling, though, that we'd probably be outbid by a team that has a 1st round pick to spare.

Anyone can be unloaded for a price.

I just don't see the Leafs willing to pay that price.

He's certainly not part of any deal where we are getting quality back.

So he needs to be a separate deal - you are unloading him and a 2nd or prospect for a 7th.

That gets you some cap space. But then you still need to make a deal for a defenceman who is better than Ceci. What's that going to cost? Bracco plus something with value plus a second or first round draft pick.

That's a lot of beans to put into the pot, and you still have to win on the road in Boston and Tampa.

And we haven't even talked about a backup goalie yet.
- Atomic Wedgie

This is some good posting. 👍

Here you go Fake,

https://www.tsn.ca/toront...comes-at-a-cost-1.1389199

Just an indicator, but Leafs will never admit he's playing hurt until they announce the surgery after the season IMO
- winsix

Thanks win.
But is it something that still bothers him.today?

The only way it makes sense, is if we move Ceci + something else to get a slight upgrade at RHD.

Maybe Ceci and say Bracco for Severson? Even then, is Severson worth losing Bracco..
- PatC80

It definitely is given the win now mode. No room for Bracco & using an asset to get better is fine.

Just curious : what's the price to unload Price?
what's the price to unload Eriksson?
what's the price to unload Eric Karlsson?

How can Vancouver unload the Luongo obligation?

Asking for a friend.
- winsix

Those are all virtually impossible in todays cap crunch world. Sure there is a way but none worth doing.

the one roster problem with anderson - the rags managed his deal poorly and he'll need protection in the expansion draft.

but so will bracco, so at least that part seems fair?
- Tumbleweed

Poor asset management on Andersson.
Bracco is just another casualty teams face when prospects cannot break in.

Ceci, Bracco, decent piece should get back a pretty good rental.

Dunno if they want to go the rental route Dubas wasn’t interested in it last year.

There are guys with term who could be available.
- Santo_44

I'm more interested in seeing what a healthy group can do than entertain rentals, other than a backup as insurance.

We have a lot of depth on the wing, center less so, but still decent; Sandin might very well be ready by year end and Rielly's injury is improving significantly according to today's Athletic article, so he'll only get better as the season progresses.

Just for fun, I hopped on Ticketmaster and looked at the price for tickets for the Leafs @ Florida for Sunday.

$79 to sit 6th row, behind the Panthers' net. That's a little too low for me (the location, not the price).

$82 to sit in 12th row behind the Panthers' net. That's probably the perfect seat, IMHO. Maybe a couple rows higher.
- Atomic Wedgie

That's why "Attendance Numbers" don't tell that much of a story. How much are these tickets? How many are given away? Even if the Panthers get a bump in attendance, it's still crappy revenue.

On twitter I had a Coyotees fan arguing with me that a $40.00 ticket in great seats was expensive. Christ.

What? He has 13 million.

Knocking Dubas for the D is stupid. He traded down and picked Sandin. That looks brilliant.

You have no idea what you are talking about. Your tune will change when this team's D is building around Sandin, Lilljegren and Rielly.
- RogerRoeper

You need to tone in down with all the condescending, self-righteous poop you've been spewing here lately.

Nobody loves you more than you right?

new blog everyone

Rasmus Sandin at 1:00 on Leafs lunch for those who care
- Santo_44

He was on 590 this morning. The host asked/said- "the Russians had a lot of divers, eh?" and he responded- "yeah, they do".

4th lottery pick is the charm.
- leafsfann