Not defending Muzzin in any way, but I've never understood why people want autographs.

You do you - if you like 'em, fine, but I just don't get jazzed by having some guy or gal scroll a signature across my shirt.

I'd much rather have a picture.

true story - outside the Sharks practice facility back in 2006-07 or thereabouts...

day prior to a Sharks - Ducks game early in the season... I think Neidermayer had just signed.

my then 7 year old and 8 year old boys were wearing their TeamCanada 04 jerseys....

Pronger and bunch of players blow past the kids... my wife approaches "some old guy with a grey beard (Neidermayer who she obviously didn't recognize) and asks if he could sign their jerseys... Neidermayer talks to the kids for a few minutes... pulls all the guys off the bus and has them sign the jerseys. Kids were over the moon, Scott even grab a couple of Sharks who were around - including Marleau.
- BorjeFan4Ever

any interesting Tom Kurvers stories?

Ceci, Bracco, decent piece should get back a pretty good rental.

Dunno if they want to go the rental route Dubas wasn’t interested in it last year.

There are guys with term who could be available.
- Santo_44

Nobody is taking Ceci.

Nobody.

I'm not arguing it won't go up, I just find it funny that you pretend to know by how much, when people running the league and franchises don't even know. Is the NHLPA going to use the cap escalator or not, almighty Roger? Seeing as that's pivotal in calculating the cap and isn't agreed on until after the season, I'd like you to look into the future and let us know, omniscient one.
- RickJames77

There are already articles stating how much it will go up. It is impossible the new TV deal won't be the biggest ever by far.

The cap is going up every single year. That 40 million will not be nearly as big of a deal even this summer.
Teams will be spending that on 4 forwards regularly going forward.

And BTW, is it better to spend 40- million on 6 worse forwards? Look around the NHL at what's going on.
- RogerRoeper

For what it's worth, the cap increase last year was artificially reduced to reduce escrow payments, and it is expected that this will happen again this year, and possibly next. Going into 2022 there will be a new TV deal, which many expect will be lucrative.

On average the cap raises by 3% per year; in 2019 it increased by 5% and they projected and subsequent 5% increase this year, which they reduced to 3%, as I said, to lower escrow payments.

It should be noted that higher escrow payments are actually indicative of an inaccurate cap. You take escrow payments from the players because you're overpaying them. So reducing the cap to lower escrow is actually in line with better representing the financial health of the league.

If league revenues are growing at a 5% pace, however the cap is reduced to a 3% increase, it puts next year's cap at around $84m, and places an additional $1.5m (per team) into the escrow bucket; similar to how this year did as well.

The year following you could project an $86.5m cap, witholding an additional $1.5m in escrow per team (again this $1.5m is multiplied by 31, so that becomes $104.6m in reduced escrow overall by 2021).

Going into 2022 with a new TV deal under their belts, if the projection of around $500m is fair (some speculate over $1b, but that seems unlikely given hockey's smaller footprint in many American cities), that would still see an increase of up to $9m per team, bringing the 2022 cap to around $95m and a normalized escrow - just in time to be able to pay Morgan Rielly if we want to.

Cap won't go up again. LOL Laffs.

Offersheets!!!
- RogerRoeper

wasn't it true that Marner was going to get an OS or was and just didnt want to sign anywhere else?

Nobody is taking Ceci.

Nobody.
- Atomic Wedgie

Want to bet?

I will bet you Ceci is wearing a different jersey after the TDL.

I tried to bet JFJ when I said Zaitzev was going to be traded but he chickened out...don’t do the same.

true story - outside the Sharks practice facility back in 2006-07 or thereabouts...

day prior to a Sharks - Ducks game early in the season... I think Neidermayer had just signed.

my then 7 year old and 8 year old boys were wearing their TeamCanada 04 jerseys....

Pronger and bunch of players blow past the kids... my wife approaches "some old guy with a grey beard (Neidermayer who she obviously didn't recognize) and asks if he could sign their jerseys... Neidermayer talks to the kids for a few minutes... pulls all the guys off the bus and has them sign the jerseys. Kids were over the moon, Scott even grab a couple of Sharks who were around - including Marleau.
- BorjeFan4Ever

3-years ago we saw the leafs in AZ before the yotes game. i dropped the wife and kids off cause we were running late.

the wife gave rielly a gardiner card to sign for the kids. he wasn't too impressed.

lou stopped and talked to them for a while. good guy.

reilly pulled the same 'l'll be back thing' as muzzin this year with my boy ... but he actually came back.

Want to bet?

I will bet you Ceci is wearing a different jersey after the TDL.
- Santo_44

A virtual case of beer?

Loser has to post a picture of a case of beer (saying what it is for and who it is for) the day after the TDL you have to make reference to it in every single post you make on hockeybuzz.

Deal?

There are already articles stating how much it will go up. It is impossible the new TV deal won't be the biggest ever by far.
- RogerRoeper

Let's see them. Because 1.) 84.5 likely being the low end of the cap is laughable and 2.) I bet you every article, from a reputable source, you provide will have a range of about 1-2 million and I'm betting it's between 82.5 and 83.5.

For what it's worth, the cap increase last year was artificially reduced to reduce escrow payments, and it is expected that this will happen again this year, and possibly next. Going into 2022 there will be a new TV deal, which many expect will be lucrative.

On average the cap raises by 3% per year; in 2019 it increased by 5% and they projected and subsequent 5% increase this year, which they reduced to 3%, as I said, to lower escrow payments.

It should be noted that higher escrow payments are actually indicative of an inaccurate cap. You take escrow payments from the players because you're overpaying them. So reducing the cap to lower escrow is actually in line with better representing the financial health of the league.

If league revenues are growing at a 5% pace, however the cap is reduced to a 3% increase, it puts next year's cap at around $84m, and places an additional $1.5m (per team) into the escrow bucket; similar to how this year did as well.

The year following you could project an $86.5m cap, witholding an additional $1.5m in escrow per team (again this $1.5m is multiplied by 31, so that becomes $104.6m in reduced escrow overall by 2021).

Going into 2022 with a new TV deal under their belts, if the projection of around $500m is fair (some speculate over $1b, but that seems unlikely given hockey's smaller footprint in many American cities), that would still see an increase of up to $9m per team, bringing the 2022 cap to around $95m and a normalized escrow - just in time to be able to pay Morgan Rielly if we want to.
- Monkeypunk

Freaken copy and paster....

wasn't it true that Marner was going to get an OS or was and just didnt want to sign anywhere else?
- senstroll

Would you want to sign with Columbus without Panarin, Bobrovski and no picks for four years?

wasn't it true that Marner was going to get an OS or was and just didnt want to sign anywhere else?
- senstroll

My issue was the thought he was going to get multiple offers and sign. It was all a way for the media to get attention and make $ off of the Leafs. He was never, ever going to leave the Leafs and all his millions in endorsements to waste his career in Columbus.

Soup man is getting a nationwide commercials for (frank)'s sake.

A virtual case of beer?

Loser has to post a picture of a case of beer (saying what it is for and who it is for) the day after the TDL you have to make reference to it in every single post you make on hockeybuzz.

Deal?
- Atomic Wedgie

Deal. Easiest virtual money I’ve ever made.

Would you want to sign with Columbus without Panarin, Bobrovski and no picks for four years?
- BetterCallSaul

And guess what happens to those 6 nationwide commercials he has if he leaves and plays for the Jackets?

Could not help but notice the media ignored that issue 100%

The media wanted to pretend guys were desperate to get out of Toronto, even hometown guys a few months after Tavares signed.

any interesting Tom Kurvers stories?
- senstroll

there are no interesting Tom Kurvers stories.

3-years ago we saw the leafs in AZ before the yotes game. i dropped the wife and kids off cause we were running late.

the wife gave rielly a gardiner card to sign for the kids. he wasn't too impressed.

lou stopped and talked to them for a while. good guy.

reilly pulled the same 'l'll be back thing' as muzzin this year with my boy ... but he actually came back.
- Tumbleweed

The first time my daughter ever skated was at the ACC for a season ticket holder event.

The Leafs were on the road, but they did manage to scare up a couple of Leafs to skate around with us - Carlton and Brendan Bell.

My daughter was on double blades and I was breaking my back towing her around, so I propped her up on the boards so I could take a break.

As we were sitting there, Brendan Bell skated up, said hello, and whipped out a Sharpie and signed the crest on my daughter's Leafs jersey.

No, he didn't offer first.

No, I didn't ask.

Thank you, Brendan. My daughter now has a beautiful reminder of the 32 games you played for the Leafs over two seasons, totaling one goal and four assists.

True Wedgie Story.

Let's see them. Because 1.) 84.5 likely being the low end of the cap is laughable and 2.) I bet you every article, from a reputable source, you provide will have a range of about 1-2 million and I'm betting it's between 82.5 and 83.5.
- RickJames77

Deal. Easiest virtual money I’ve ever made.
- Santo_44

I really hope I lose this bet.











No franking way in hell I lose this bet.

https://theathletic.com/1...son-with-the-maple-leafs/

Just liek I have been saying and many on here disputed it, Rielly is playing hurt.

Again, I'd love to know how you can predict the cap numbers, but the league itself can't. Thanks in advance, almighty Roger.
- RickJames77

You can conservatively ballpark the numbers, as I did above. Roger's argument style is a bit volatile at times, and his approach can border on unhinged, but the math isn't entirely incorrect. This year the cap was supposed to be increased by 5% and they specifically withheld it to 3% and have alluded to doing the same next year and possibly the year after.

I'm going to say that I believe I read that in a Friedman article, but it could have been LeBrun. I'm pretty sure it was the former. But NHL revenues are increasing, and two years of consistent 5% growth, while not a trend, speaks to healthier revenue generation.

If the NHL opts to go very conservative @ 2% growth (which would be lower than anytime since the last rollback in 2012), you still go up to $83 and then $85.5 before the new realized TV deal comes in. That's obviously a massive wildcard - but the revenue is shared in there, and if the contract moves from 200 to 400 the is affected by $3.2m; or nearly $5m if it goes up to $500m (in the above calculations I neglected to divide tv revenue sharing in half - where half goes to the league).

there are no interesting Tom Kurvers stories.
- BorjeFan4Ever

New Jersey Devils fans have an interesting one about how they turned him into Scott Neidermayer...

Let's see them. Because 1.) 84.5 likely being the low end of the cap is laughable and 2.) I bet you every article, from a reputable source, you provide will have a range of about 1-2 million and I'm betting it's between 82.5 and 83.5.
- RickJames77

its a total guessing game every year... this will be no different - primarily because Bettman doesn't want to play any cards with the spectre of contractual impasse with the players union, the Olympics and other garbage.

I always enjoy the rampant speculation of this stuff.... so much speculation - so little actual change.... as you say it will end up in the 82 - 85 range - surprise surprise the same % change as last year....

rinse repeat

Not defending Muzzin in any way, but I've never understood why people want autographs.

You do you - if you like 'em, fine, but I just don't get jazzed by having some guy or gal scroll a signature across my shirt.

I'd much rather have a picture.
- Atomic Wedgie

why not both?

the kids enjoy it.

i've taken the my kids to stalk the coyotes after practice. ends up to be 3-4 kids and half a dozen weirdo professional autograph seekers. we end up with a bunch of pics and autographs.

the boy has several sticks all signed up by the yotes. he plays with one all signed up.

earlier this year, my kid's little partner in crime from rink told kessel he likes hot dogs and gave keller a signed card of himself.

You can conservatively ballpark the numbers, as I did above. Roger's argument style is a bit volatile at times, and his approach can border on unhinged, but the math isn't entirely incorrect. This year the cap was supposed to be increased by 5% and they specifically withheld it to 3% and have alluded to doing the same next year and possibly the year after.

I'm going to say that I believe I read that in a Friedman article, but it could have been LeBrun. I'm pretty sure it was the former. But NHL revenues are increasing, and two years of consistent 5% growth, while not a trend, speaks to healthier revenue generation.

If the NHL opts to go very conservative @ 2% growth (which would be lower than anytime since the last rollback in 2012), you still go up to $83 and then $85.5 before the new realized TV deal comes in. That's obviously a massive wildcard - but the revenue is shared in there, and if the contract moves from 200 to 400 the is affected by $3.2m; or nearly $5m if it goes up to $500m (in the above calculations I neglected to divide tv revenue sharing in half - where half goes to the league).
- Monkeypunk

He said the cap for next year would go up to at least 84.5 and likely more. That was what I took issue with.