We are cup contenders. You are down because they've struggled the past 3 games.
- RogerRoeper

Ah so now you know how and why people are feeling or thinking the way they do.
Amazing.


No, the leafs need more than just a backup.
they need help on D and team D.

Ah so now you know how and why people are feeling or thinking the way they do.
Amazing.


No, the leafs need more than just a backup.
they need help on D and team D.
- Fakepartofme

Bingo

Ah so now you know how and why people are feeling or thinking the way they do.
Amazing.


No, the leafs need more than just a backup.
they need help on D and team D.
- Fakepartofme

They need to play their system as a unit...Last game they were missing assignments front, left and center...Before that game under Keefe they have been making lots of progress.

A backup goalie is a given. Hutch is not an NHL goaltender and that is pretty obvious.

They also have to upgrade Ceci with someone who can play in the top 4. I am more than ready to add Dermott into whatever it takes to get a D with term.

Sandin/Liljregren IMO will be able to provide what he is providing and at a less of a cap hit next year.

It's important when you use these numbers that you understand their context.

A High Danger Scoring Chance is simply a shot that is generated from within the home plate area in front of the net. It does not take any context like pass origination, time, space, shot type, skater speed or anything else into consideration.

So a 3 on 0, 2 on 1 or a breakaway have the exact same count of HDCF that a flubbed wrist shot partially blocked by a defender from the slot do: A count of 1.

The Leafs gave up a lot of top quality high scoring chances and generated very few similar ones of their own. They had a few and Dreider made some nice saves. But they likely should have given up 6 of the 8 goals they did, maybe more.
- Monkeypunk

yup. high danger chances aren't the be all end all.

leafs lost puck battles (holl, ke(frank) on the 1st goal) before further breakdowns. the 1st 5 minutes seemed to be all panthers; by winning pucks.

they looked hung over. probably from the latinas in miami.

can't blame them....but they threw away a bunch of games to get bab's fired. they don't have a lot of room for error here.

Freddy is 23rd in save %.
- RogerRoeper

Well we’re 7th in shots against, math says 8-10% of shots go in, or something like that.

Play better all around and all our stats will go up IMO.

I was so wrong about Babcock.
- RogerRoeper

It's important when you use these numbers that you understand their context.

A High Danger Scoring Chance is simply a shot that is generated from within the home plate area in front of the net. It does not take any context like pass origination, time, space, shot type, skater speed or anything else into consideration.

So a 3 on 0, 2 on 1 or a breakaway have the exact same count of HDCF that a flubbed wrist shot partially blocked by a defender from the slot do: A count of 1.

The Leafs gave up a lot of top quality high scoring chances and generated very few similar ones of their own. They had a few and Dreider made some nice saves. But they likely should have given up 6 of the 8 goals they did, maybe more.
- Monkeypunk

Common sense has no place when you have naturalstattrck.com

Ah so now you know how and why people are feeling or thinking the way they do.
Amazing.


No, the leafs need more than just a backup.
they need help on D and team D.
- Fakepartofme

I don't know about you, but I don't expect the combined save % of .819 like the last 3 game stretch to continue.

Time for the Monday morning Atomic Wedgie Keefe's Leafs Extrapolatorator:

23 games. 32 points. 93 GF. 72 GA. +21 Goal differential.

Extrapolated over an 82 game season:

114 points. Good for 2nd last year.

332 goals for. Good for 1st last year.

257 goals against. Good for 21st last year.

I think we all know what needs to improve.

+75 goal differential. Good for 2nd last year.

I don't know about you, but I don't expect the combined save % of .819 like the last 3 game stretch to continue.
- PatC80

I do if they keep giving up chances like last night.

I turned the channel after 3 goals, but holy poop, you can't expect Andersen to make saves on shots like that.

Disgraceful effort on team defence.

So for the past 2 years Ive heard Freddy needs more rest. Now I hear he has rested too much. When do the excuses end?
- RogerRoeper

Lmao who said that? No one..

Man are you ever delusional.

Well we’re 7th in shots against, math says 8-10% of shots go in, or something like that.

Play better all around and all our stats will go up IMO.
- Garnie

How is this relevant at all?

The Leafs are 7th in shots against? And you say that correlates with Andersens bad numbers?

Teams with most shots against

Chicago-Lehner .923%
Arizona-Kuemper-.929
NYR-Georgiev/Lundqvist-.907/.909
CGY-Rittitch/Smith-.922/.911
Winnipeg-Hellbuycuk-.920

Having more shots against doesn't mean your goalie will have a bad save percentage...in fact it is the opposite this season.

You could tell early on that they didn't have it. I sort of turned my attention away at 2-0, and told my wife she could watch what she wanted at 3-0.

Since there's been so much female doging about the goaltending, I looked at the goals and here was my take on them:


Goal 1: Kapanen loses his man coming off of the point and gives him free access to the net for the one-timer in. Grade 'A' Andersen may save that, but it's tough since Brown peels off from the point to Andersen's left, and Connolly has the puck down low to Andersen's right. The puck does deflect off of Andersen's arm, but it goes in.
Verdict: Not Goalie

Goal 2: Pass from the behind the net goes through Barrie to Barkov who is standing between Gauthier and Spezza. Neither of whom were doing anything about him, despite him being on the lip of the crease.
Verdict: Not Goalie

Goal 3: 2 on 1 due to poor play in the neutral zone by Kerfoot, and Hoffman beats Andersen clean to the blocker side. Marincin did effectively take away the pass.
Verdict: Goalie, but only because it's Andersen and he's good enough to stop that most of the time.

Goal 4: A low Mike Matheson shot from the point beats a screened Andersen.
Verdict: Goalie.

Andersen's night is done. My opinion here? Goal 3 beats a lot of goalies, but it is also saved a lot of the time. It's a coin flip shot. You use it to credit the goalie when your team wins and you use it to blame the goalie when your team loses. Goal 4 is the shot that's beaten Andersen in his last 3 starts. A screened shot from the left point. I don't think Andersen is fighting through the screen enough. He has to get low on those and look through legs if he can't see up high. He's been too complacent about losing sight of pucks the past few games. In the previous two games he was trying to peer for the puck the wrong way (you have a left-hand shot defenseman at the left point with a puck on their left side, and he's trying to peer to the right over shoulders and can't see anything when a seeing eye shot comes on the left-side. . . if you can't see it to the left, get low and look through legs). This one, Andersen looked the right way, but it was very obvious he had lost sight of the puck and wasn't compensating with body position.

Goal 5: 2 on 1 due to poor zone entry on the Power Play. As with all 2 on 1s he faces, Barrie doesn't bother taking away the pass which leads to a goal against. It's at this point through 46 games that I may have to retract some preseason comments I made to Aminnes and JFJ Jr about Barrie being about the same as Gardiner on D. I believe there is a massive hole in Barrie's game and our style of play really exposes it.
Verdict: Not Goalie

Goal 6: Another 2 on 1 due to Tavares failing to recognize his role on the blue line with Dermott in deep. It's a good shot that beats Hutch. A better goalie would have stood a better chance. The minor plus side . . .Holl played the 2 on 1 effectively.
Verdict: Not Goalie; I might argue goalie (like goal 3) if the goalie was better.

Goal 7: Turnover in the neutral zone; Dermott overplays it and gets beat. Rielly doesn't block the pass on the 2 on 1.
Verdict: Not Goalie

Goal 8: This is just poor goaltending by Hutch. Huberdeau passes the puck to the right side, and Hutch reads it as a shot and drops leaving the net wide open.
Verdict: Goalie

Really, goal 8 is the only 1 that I will totally absolutely say is completely on the goalie. I would like to see Andersen battle through the screen on goal 4, and I believe that Andersen when he's confident stops goal 3.
- Monkeypunk

Like your analysis mine is much more simplified:

Hutchinson : 4 GA 17 SA Save percentage .765 (PURE SH!T)
Andersen: 4 GA 12 SA Save percentage .667 (UNACCEPTABLE May require public beating)

Time for the Monday morning Atomic Wedgie Keefe's Leafs Extrapolatorator:

23 games. 32 points. 93 GF. 72 GA. +21 Goal differential.

Extrapolated over an 82 game season:

114 points. Good for 2nd last year.

332 goals for. Good for 1st last year.

257 goals against. Good for 21st last year.

I think we all know what needs to improve.

+75 goal differential. Good for 2nd last year.
- Atomic Wedgie

Upgrade Ceci with a top 4 D and add in Lil/Sandin to the mix

I do if they keep giving up chances like last night.

I turned the channel after 3 goals, but holy poop, you can't expect Andersen to make saves on shots like that.

Disgraceful effort on team defence.
- Atomic Wedgie

Our fwd group needs to be better but our defense can't make bad decisions like they did. The goal by Trocheck was a good example, Dermott pokes the puck just out of Tavares' reach.

Move on from last night, try to beat the red-hot Devils tomorrow night...

It's important when you use these numbers that you understand their context.

A High Danger Scoring Chance is simply a shot that is generated from within the home plate area in front of the net. It does not take any context like pass origination, time, space, shot type, skater speed or anything else into consideration.

So a 3 on 0, 2 on 1 or a breakaway have the exact same count of HDCF that a flubbed wrist shot partially blocked by a defender from the slot do: A count of 1.

The Leafs gave up a lot of top quality high scoring chances and generated very few similar ones of their own. They had a few and Dreider made some nice saves. But they likely should have given up 6 of the 8 goals they did, maybe more.
- Monkeypunk

thats the first thing I noticed when I looked at the stats this morning.
everything favors the Leafs but the score was way lopsided.

Lmao who said that? No one..

Man are you ever delusional.
- LeafGuy89

Sheldon Keefe said it.

https://www.tsn.ca/nhl/vi...cing-his-workload~1874297

thats the first thing I noticed when I looked at the stats this morning.
everything favors the Leafs but the score was way lopsided.
- senstroll

The Leafs really played well but the every mistake they made ended up as a goal against.. It happens some times..

Move on from it.. 3 home games until the all-star break.. We can hopefully beat the high-powered Devils on Tuesday.
They beat Washington and Tampa Bay

The Leafs really played well but the every mistake they made ended up as a goal against.. It happens some times..

Move on from it.. 3 home games until the all-star break.. We can hopefully beat the high-powered Devils on Tuesday.
They beat Washington and Tampa Bay
- PatC80

Here comes the fuzz.

Funny coincidence that the Leafs have been playing like sh1t since Marincin has been put back in the line up.

Besides that piece of sh1t, we need a real back up for the nights Freddy sucks. It happens to all #1Gs...occasionally they have a bad night.

We need Muzz back, and one more D like him or better. One that plays D and hits.

We need at least one physical winger who can actually play F, is good in his own end and HITS.

Somebody on this fu3king team needs to hit. There is never any rush or concern to move the puck when you play the Leafs...ever. The other team knows if they can avoid the flyby stick check that they have all the time the want to make a play.

I know some of you guys don't think hits matter but you're all WRONG and....well...like doodoo heads...err something.

Funny coincidence that the Leafs have been playing like sh1t since Marincin has been put back in the line up.

Besides that piece of sh1t, we need a real back up for the nights Freddy sucks. It happens to all #1Gs...occasionally they have a bad night.

We need Muzz back, and one more D like him or better. One that plays D and hits.

We need at least one physical winger who can actually play F, is good in his own end and HITS.

Somebody on this fu3king team needs to hit. There is never any rush or concern to move the puck when you play the Leafs...ever. The other team knows if they can avoid the flyby stick check that they have all the time the want to make a play.
- underhill14

I would think losing Muzzin to injury and having your 7th D come in would make your team worse, yes.

The Leafs really played well but the every mistake they made ended up as a goal against.. It happens some times..

Move on from it.. 3 home games until the all-star break.. We can hopefully beat the high-powered Devils on Tuesday.
They beat Washington and Tampa Bay
- PatC80

5 of 6 points here.

2 games that they should win.

Here comes the fuzz.
- AdamFrench

I do if they keep giving up chances like last night.

I turned the channel after 3 goals, but holy poop, you can't expect Andersen to make saves on shots like that.

Disgraceful effort on team defence.
- Atomic Wedgie

Actually, you can expect him to make saves on shots like that. Entire team inluding the coaching staff - with the exception of Hyman were terrible.

Andersen was putrid, team defense was putrid Nylander and Tavares were particularly lousy, Marincin and Rielly were both crap and both Marner and Matthews need to be much better. Both goalies couldn't stop a beachball. Coaching staff, needs to lay off the idiotic and totally anticipated back passes. Get it the (frank) out of your zone, don't need a backpass when you are behind the net. Nice short 10-15 foot forward passes in front of (not in their (frank)en skates) passes will work fine.

Actually, you can expect him to make saves on shots like that. Entire team inluding the coaching staff - with the exception of Hyman were terrible.

Andersen was putrid, team defense was putrid Nylander and Tavares were particularly lousy, Marincin and Rielly were both crap and both Marner and Matthews need to be much better. Both goalies couldn't stop a beachball. Coaching staff, needs to lay off the idiotic and totally anticipated back passes. Get it the (frank) out of your zone, don't need a backpass when you are behind the net. Nice short 10-15 foot forward passes in front of (not in their (frank)en skates) passes will work fine.
- winsix

You need to be more clear.

Did you like what the Leafs did last night?

Don't try to sugarcoat it - if you have criticism of the Leafs, I can handle it.