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bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jan 13 @ 4:32 PM ET
Perreault is not a $4 million player. Sure hope we can move him at the deadline.

I like Roslovic's skill set, but he produces Jack Sht. Hope Little comes back healthy and we can plug him on to the line with Wheeler and Ehlers.

2.0
Location: Dauphin, MB
Joined: 09.11.2017

Jan 13 @ 5:47 PM ET
After 9 years or one year shy of a decade you do not see the issue on relying on guys that came from Atlanta?

Scheifele, Connor and Morrissey all guys drafted in the top 17. Name one superstar on this team outside of Hellebyuck drafted after #17?

This is a major issue!

- TheUltimateJet


I don't give a poop where a good player comes from, so long as they still fit on the team here. Why waste breath on this non-issue?
CharlieDog
Location: MB
Joined: 01.17.2017

Jan 13 @ 6:11 PM ET
Perreault is not a $4 million player. Sure hope we can move him at the deadline.

I like Roslovic's skill set, but he produces Jack Sht. Hope Little comes back healthy and we can plug him on to the line with Wheeler and Ehlers.

- bennythehat


Perreault has another year after this one st 4.1 mill. 6 G and 6 A on pace for 24 points and another year at 4.1 mill, I bet there aren't many takers.

If Little is healthy, he certainly won't hurt the team. The team needs a jolt.

TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 13 @ 6:37 PM ET
I don't give a poop where a good player comes from, so long as they still fit on the team here. Why waste breath on this non-issue?
- 2.0

I wish you were my boss. All I'd have to do is make a bunch of false promises, never do anything and take credit for other people's work and you would never fire me and think I was doing a great job!
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 13 @ 7:13 PM ET
I wish you were my boss. All I'd have to do is make a bunch of false promises, never do anything and take credit for other people's work and you would never fire me and think I was doing a great job!
- TheUltimateJet


Funny how so many think the Jets are good at drafting, other then Helly in the 5th the Jets have Copp, Lowry, Harkins, Niku, Appleton and Poolman as the only non 1st round picks presently playing with them, serviceable players but none are exactly major diamond in the rough finds, basically guys you could find in free agency or minor trades if Chevy made even those.. Lol

Wish Chevy made a some minor deals occasionally, a few guys got dealt this season for not much and they could've helped the Jets.

No team is built solely through the draft.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 13 @ 8:16 PM ET
Funny how so many think the Jets are good at drafting, other then Helly in the 5th the Jets have Copp, Lowry, Harkins, Niku, Appleton and Poolman as the only non 1st round picks presently playing with them, serviceable players but none are exactly major diamond in the rough finds, basically guys you could find in free agency or minor trades if Chevy made even those.. Lol

Wish Chevy made a some minor deals occasionally, a few guys got dealt this season for not much and they could've helped the Jets.

No team is built solely through the draft.

- JetFuel


Draft - so seven players plus the five first rounders in line-up = 12. How does that stack up against other teams in league? We face the Canucks tomorrow - how do they compare? I am too lazy to look it up.

Like you say, no team is built solely through the draft, but I'm pretty sure it is easier for teams like TB, Toronto, Rangers, Vegas, etc to acquire additional players through trades or UFA signings than it is the rest of the Canadian teams. Tax breaks and warm(er) weather!
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 13 @ 8:18 PM ET
I wish you were my boss. All I'd have to do is make a bunch of false promises, never do anything and take credit for other people's work and you would never fire me and think I was doing a great job!
- TheUltimateJet



You'd have to hired first - before you could be fired. lol
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Jan 13 @ 9:26 PM ET
Draft - so seven players plus the five first rounders in line-up = 12. How does that stack up against other teams in league? We face the Canucks tomorrow - how do they compare? I am too lazy to look it up.

Like you say, no team is built solely through the draft, but I'm pretty sure it is easier for teams like TB, Toronto, Rangers, Vegas, etc to acquire additional players through trades or UFA signings than it is the rest of the Canadian teams. Tax breaks and warm(er) weather!

- grahamzky



Easier probably, but it's also a lazy excuse for why the Jets are a mediocre team.

A player doesn't get a NMC until his RFA years are done. So Chevy could look into acquiring any of those players. He could go to capfriendly and search players who don't have any clauses in their contract, or at worst he could follow TSN insiders on twitter who post rumors like Buffalo is interested in trading a defenceman, or Honka has requested a trade from Dallas, and call up the GM's of those teams and get deals done.


Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 13 @ 9:49 PM ET
Perreault has another year after this one st 4.1 mill. 6 G and 6 A on pace for 24 points and another year at 4.1 mill, I bet there aren't many takers.

If Little is healthy, he certainly won't hurt the team. The team needs a jolt.

- CharlieDog


Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine...
Wesley Peters
Location: Niverville, MB
Joined: 12.05.2019

Jan 13 @ 9:50 PM ET
Draft - so seven players plus the five first rounders in line-up = 12. How does that stack up against other teams in league? We face the Canucks tomorrow - how do they compare? I am too lazy to look it up.

Like you say, no team is built solely through the draft, but I'm pretty sure it is easier for teams like TB, Toronto, Rangers, Vegas, etc to acquire additional players through trades or UFA signings than it is the rest of the Canadian teams. Tax breaks and warm(er) weather!

- grahamzky


Here are the number of own draft picks per team

Western Conference

St Louis 14
LA 14
Nashville 12
Chicago 12
Anaheim 12
Winnipeg 12 (14 when including Harkins & Niku)
Calgary 12
San Jose 10
Minnesota 10
Dallas 10
Edmonton 9
Vancouver 8
Arizona 7
Colorado 6
Vegas 2

Eastern Conference

Columbus 17
Philly 15
Detroit 13
Islanders 12
New Jersey 11
Washinton 11
Tampa Bay 11
Carlina 10
Pittsburgh 10
Boston 10
Buffalo 10
Florida 10
Ottawa 9
Toronto 9
Rangers 7
Montreal 7

TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 13 @ 9:56 PM ET
Here are the number of own draft picks per team

Western Conference

St Louis 14
LA 14
Nashville 12
Chicago 12
Anaheim 12
Winnipeg 12 (14 when including Harkins & Niku)
Calgary 12
San Jose 10
Minnesota 10
Dallas 10
Edmonton 9
Vancouver 8
Arizona 7
Colorado 6
Vegas 2

Eastern Conference

Columbus 17
Philly 15
Detroit 13
Islanders 12
New Jersey 11
Washinton 11
Tampa Bay 11
Carlina 10
Pittsburgh 10
Boston 10
Buffalo 10
Florida 10
Ottawa 9
Toronto 9
Rangers 7
Montreal 7

- Wesley Peters


So essentially the Jets are no different than any other team, yet trumpet that they are a "draft & develop" franchise like they are unique from everyone else?

Could you also do a list of waiver wire pick-ups as well?
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 13 @ 10:05 PM ET
Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine...
- Rexypoo

He would bring down their offensive production.
BWJumper
Location: MB
Joined: 01.26.2019

Jan 13 @ 10:16 PM ET
Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine...
- Rexypoo


Perreault should be piling up the points with all the offense his linemate Lowry produces on a nightly basis.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 13 @ 10:34 PM ET
Perreault should be piling up the points with all the offense his linemate Lowry produces on a nightly basis.
- BWJumper

Don't forget about Andrew Copp, he's an offensive Dynamo just waiting to explode!
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 13 @ 11:21 PM ET
He would bring down their offensive production.
- TheUltimateJet


That’s the opposite of what Perreault has done for his linemates for literally his entire NHL tenure, but I’m sure your right
Rexypoo
Location: Yes
Joined: 02.08.2016

Jan 13 @ 11:23 PM ET
Don't forget about Andrew Copp, he's an offensive Dynamo just waiting to explode!
- TheUltimateJet


You guys are idiots. I don’t know how many times I have to say the problem with each of those 3 is that they aren’t shooters. They all drive play, create chances, and defend at a high level. None of them are goal scorers.
Put Perreault with Scheifele and Laine, and Copp between Connor and Wheeler. That is how you get results.
9-17-85 is a line built for keep away shutdown hockey, not scoring.
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 14 @ 9:57 AM ET


Easier probably, but it's also a lazy excuse for why the Jets are a mediocre team.

A player doesn't get a NMC until his RFA years are done. So Chevy could look into acquiring any of those players. He could go to capfriendly and search players who don't have any clauses in their contract, or at worst he could follow TSN insiders on twitter who post rumors like Buffalo is interested in trading a defenceman, or Honka has requested a trade from Dallas, and call up the GM's of those teams and get deals done.

- BWJumper


Of course RFA's can be acquired, evidence is the fact that we have Pionk. But you have to have a RFA you want - and is available. It takes two to tangle. I am pretty sure that the Jets management know the contract status of all NHL players, and likely the minor leagues ones as well.
I'm also sure they know who's available - and at what cost - before the NHL Insiders. But you have to want that player, say Honka. A 5'11" d-man, is he really any better than what we have? And if he was decent, would Dallas trade him within the division? Lots of factors come into play, including price, as you know.
As it stands right now, the Jets need to sit tight, and see if they're buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. Desperately need a win tonight!


bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jan 14 @ 10:51 AM ET
Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine...
- Rexypoo


It would be good for Perreault, but it would sure drag the other 2 down.
JetFuel
Joined: 10.08.2019

Jan 14 @ 12:02 PM ET
Of course RFA's can be acquired, evidence is the fact that we have Pionk. But you have to have a RFA you want - and is available. It takes two to tangle. I am pretty sure that the Jets management know the contract status of all NHL players, and likely the minor leagues ones as well.
I'm also sure they know who's available - and at what cost - before the NHL Insiders. But you have to want that player, say Honka. A 5'11" d-man, is he really any better than what we have? And if he was decent, would Dallas trade him within the division? Lots of factors come into play, including price, as you know.
As it stands right now, the Jets need to sit tight, and see if they're buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. Desperately need a win tonight!

- grahamzky


So just wait around for draft picks to develop then?

Solely relying on "drafting and developing" is not working, he needs to make a trade. There's RFA'S in the eastern conference that are rumored to be available for a reasonable acquisition cost, there were some minor trades this season of players that didn't cost a whole lot to acquire that would've helped the Jets but we weren't in on them for whatever reason.
TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 14 @ 12:12 PM ET
So just wait around for draft picks to develop then?

Solely relying on "drafting and developing" is not working, he needs to make a trade. There's RFA'S in the eastern conference that are rumored to be available for a reasonable acquisition cost, there were some minor trades this season of players that didn't cost a whole lot to acquire that would've helped the Jets but we weren't in on them for whatever reason.

- JetFuel


Who needs to draft players, trade for quality assets or sign free agents, when we have the waiver wire warrior in Chevelallseasonoff as our GM. No other GM scouts the waiver wire for such treasures as Sbisa, Shore, Dahlstrom, and Comrie, like Chevy. In the waiver wire warrior, I trust!
bennythehat
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 03.23.2015

Jan 14 @ 12:19 PM ET
Get Perreault off the RW position. It's not working.
jetsnation
Location: Winnipeg, MB
Joined: 02.11.2015

Jan 14 @ 12:19 PM ET
It would be good for Perreault, but it would sure drag the other 2 down.
- bennythehat


Perreault is clearly not talented enough anymore to play on the top two lines. The guy has been virtually invisible this year and especially in the last 5 games. I rarely see him even touch the puck.

As for the deluge of sudden naysayers about the Jets, the mgmt, Maurice, etc....I find it appalling. Most of you have become a bunch of fair-weather fans. Glass half empty.

I just don't see it the same way. Chevy and Maurice have been operating with a team that has been plagued with injuries and some bad luck. Including Buff this team has been operating with about 20-25% of their salary cap not playing for a good portion of this season. Our top defensive player Little has been out most of the season. Another big defensive player in Copp has missed a month. Buff gone all year. almost half our defensemen were claimed off waivers, etc. All this , plus the loss of several good UFA's. If not for outstanding coaching and management plus some excellent goaltending we should not remotely be competing for a playoff spot right now.

I just shake my head at all you naysayers. A true Jets fan does not beat up on the team and its coach so badly the minute we lose a few games. Top-notch teams like Tampa and talented teams like Calgary until recently were non-playoff teams. No coaches getting fired there, yet Maurice is somehow under the gun for outperforming just about everyone's expectations vs the reality of the situation. Shameful. You should all be thankful we are still in contention.

Jets are a draft and develop team and you don't just suddenly throw in the towel on promising talent with lots more upside like Roslovic or Niku just because we may not make the playoffs. Jets do need some help and likely have some decent cap space to act, but best to wait till we are closer to the deadline to make a move. I would suggest some third line scoring punch, maybe some 4th line upgrade, and depending on Buff, maybe another offensive defenseman....all when the time comes.


TheUltimateJet
Winnipeg Jets
Joined: 07.16.2013

Jan 14 @ 12:54 PM ET
Perreault is clearly not talented enough anymore to play on the top two lines. The guy has been virtually invisible this year and especially in the last 5 games. I rarely see him even touch the puck.

As for the deluge of sudden naysayers about the Jets, the mgmt, Maurice, etc....I find it appalling. Most of you have become a bunch of fair-weather fans. Glass half empty.

I just don't see it the same way. Chevy and Maurice have been operating with a team that has been plagued with injuries and some bad luck. Including Buff this team has been operating with about 20-25% of their salary cap not playing for a good portion of this season. Our top defensive player Little has been out most of the season. Another big defensive player in Copp has missed a month. Buff gone all year. almost half our defensemen were claimed off waivers, etc. All this , plus the loss of several good UFA's. If not for outstanding coaching and management plus some excellent goaltending we should not remotely be competing for a playoff spot right now.

I just shake my head at all you naysayers. A true Jets fan does not beat up on the team and its coach so badly the minute we lose a few games. Top-notch teams like Tampa and talented teams like Calgary until recently were non-playoff teams. No coaches getting fired there, yet Maurice is somehow under the gun for outperforming just about everyone's expectations vs the reality of the situation. Shameful. You should all be thankful we are still in contention.

Jets are a draft and develop team and you don't just suddenly throw in the towel on promising talent with lots more upside like Roslovic or Niku just because we may not make the playoffs. Jets do need some help and likely have some decent cap space to act, but best to wait till we are closer to the deadline to make a move. I would suggest some third line scoring punch, maybe some 4th line upgrade, and depending on Buff, maybe another offensive defenseman....all when the time comes.

- jetsnation


I agree with the point about Perreault.

The point about management and coaching is in direct contradiction with your point about drafting and developing. Management has had 9 years to draft and develop defensemen that would eventually take over Myers, Chariot and Byfuglien's positions. Chariot and Byfuglien have been here since day 1. After one left via free agency and the other screwed the Jets over by not indicating his true intentions, the Jets should have at least had 2-3 guys in the A that should have been "developed" to take over their spots. Coaching is responsible for developing talent. How many guys has Maurice realistically developed? I do not see how playing Roslovic on the fourth line for 2 years at 6 minutes a game is development. But you are free to show me how that's worked for him.

As for Copp, show me a team that does not experience injuries.

Finally, if it were not for Hellebyuck's stellar play, this team would be so far in the basement of the NHL that we would be nowhere near where we are at.

Just some Ultimate thoughts for a Tuesday morning.....
grahamzky
Location: MB
Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 14 @ 1:04 PM ET
So just wait around for draft picks to develop then?

Solely relying on "drafting and developing" is not working, he needs to make a trade. There's RFA'S in the eastern conference that are rumored to be available for a reasonable acquisition cost, there were some minor trades this season of players that didn't cost a whole lot to acquire that would've helped the Jets but we weren't in on them for whatever reason.

- JetFuel


Not saying that we strictly sit tight, but maybe wait and see what RFA's are available near the trade deadline as don't imagine teams with playoff dreams are selling right now. Firstly we have to determine if we're selling or buying.

What players are rumored to be available in the East that you have heard of that could help the Jets and keep us ok salary cap wise?
Ross77
Joined: 11.21.2014

Jan 14 @ 1:14 PM ET
cold hard facts,

winning the cup is not easy and 95% of the NHL are exactly like us, so yes, we are very hard on players and staff in here when the reality is we are just like most teams in the NHL. We are not Ottawa, Detroit, Devils and a few others who have been bad for a while now, far from it.

those thinking trades and signing players to come to Winnipeg is some easy peasy task are out to lunch

we have a lot of talent on this team and locked up, the future is still very bright!!! anyone thinking its not is also out to lunch

would it be interesting to see what a new coach and GM would do? of course!! does it guarantee a cup, absolutely not!!!

does a big trade guarantee a cup, absolutely not

does moving copp, Perreault and lowry to our 4th line and acquiring a new third line even move the needle that much, absolutely not



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