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Perreault is not a $4 million player. Sure hope we can move him at the deadline.
I like Roslovic's skill set, but he produces Jack Sht. Hope Little comes back healthy and we can plug him on to the line with Wheeler and Ehlers.
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Location: Dauphin, MB Joined: 09.11.2017
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After 9 years or one year shy of a decade you do not see the issue on relying on guys that came from Atlanta?
Scheifele, Connor and Morrissey all guys drafted in the top 17. Name one superstar on this team outside of Hellebyuck drafted after #17?
This is a major issue! - TheUltimateJet
I don't give a poop where a good player comes from, so long as they still fit on the team here. Why waste breath on this non-issue?
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Perreault is not a $4 million player. Sure hope we can move him at the deadline.
I like Roslovic's skill set, but he produces Jack Sht. Hope Little comes back healthy and we can plug him on to the line with Wheeler and Ehlers. - bennythehat
Perreault has another year after this one st 4.1 mill. 6 G and 6 A on pace for 24 points and another year at 4.1 mill, I bet there aren't many takers.
If Little is healthy, he certainly won't hurt the team. The team needs a jolt.
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I don't give a poop where a good player comes from, so long as they still fit on the team here. Why waste breath on this non-issue? - 2.0
I wish you were my boss. All I'd have to do is make a bunch of false promises, never do anything and take credit for other people's work and you would never fire me and think I was doing a great job! |
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I wish you were my boss. All I'd have to do is make a bunch of false promises, never do anything and take credit for other people's work and you would never fire me and think I was doing a great job! - TheUltimateJet
Funny how so many think the Jets are good at drafting, other then Helly in the 5th the Jets have Copp, Lowry, Harkins, Niku, Appleton and Poolman as the only non 1st round picks presently playing with them, serviceable players but none are exactly major diamond in the rough finds, basically guys you could find in free agency or minor trades if Chevy made even those.. Lol
Wish Chevy made a some minor deals occasionally, a few guys got dealt this season for not much and they could've helped the Jets.
No team is built solely through the draft. |
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Funny how so many think the Jets are good at drafting, other then Helly in the 5th the Jets have Copp, Lowry, Harkins, Niku, Appleton and Poolman as the only non 1st round picks presently playing with them, serviceable players but none are exactly major diamond in the rough finds, basically guys you could find in free agency or minor trades if Chevy made even those.. Lol
Wish Chevy made a some minor deals occasionally, a few guys got dealt this season for not much and they could've helped the Jets.
No team is built solely through the draft. - JetFuel
Draft - so seven players plus the five first rounders in line-up = 12. How does that stack up against other teams in league? We face the Canucks tomorrow - how do they compare? I am too lazy to look it up.
Like you say, no team is built solely through the draft, but I'm pretty sure it is easier for teams like TB, Toronto, Rangers, Vegas, etc to acquire additional players through trades or UFA signings than it is the rest of the Canadian teams. Tax breaks and warm(er) weather! |
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I wish you were my boss. All I'd have to do is make a bunch of false promises, never do anything and take credit for other people's work and you would never fire me and think I was doing a great job! - TheUltimateJet
You'd have to hired first - before you could be fired. lol |
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Draft - so seven players plus the five first rounders in line-up = 12. How does that stack up against other teams in league? We face the Canucks tomorrow - how do they compare? I am too lazy to look it up.
Like you say, no team is built solely through the draft, but I'm pretty sure it is easier for teams like TB, Toronto, Rangers, Vegas, etc to acquire additional players through trades or UFA signings than it is the rest of the Canadian teams. Tax breaks and warm(er) weather! - grahamzky
Easier probably, but it's also a lazy excuse for why the Jets are a mediocre team.
A player doesn't get a NMC until his RFA years are done. So Chevy could look into acquiring any of those players. He could go to capfriendly and search players who don't have any clauses in their contract, or at worst he could follow TSN insiders on twitter who post rumors like Buffalo is interested in trading a defenceman, or Honka has requested a trade from Dallas, and call up the GM's of those teams and get deals done.
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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Perreault has another year after this one st 4.1 mill. 6 G and 6 A on pace for 24 points and another year at 4.1 mill, I bet there aren't many takers.
If Little is healthy, he certainly won't hurt the team. The team needs a jolt. - CharlieDog
Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine... |
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Draft - so seven players plus the five first rounders in line-up = 12. How does that stack up against other teams in league? We face the Canucks tomorrow - how do they compare? I am too lazy to look it up.
Like you say, no team is built solely through the draft, but I'm pretty sure it is easier for teams like TB, Toronto, Rangers, Vegas, etc to acquire additional players through trades or UFA signings than it is the rest of the Canadian teams. Tax breaks and warm(er) weather! - grahamzky
Here are the number of own draft picks per team
Western Conference
St Louis 14
LA 14
Nashville 12
Chicago 12
Anaheim 12
Winnipeg 12 (14 when including Harkins & Niku)
Calgary 12
San Jose 10
Minnesota 10
Dallas 10
Edmonton 9
Vancouver 8
Arizona 7
Colorado 6
Vegas 2
Eastern Conference
Columbus 17
Philly 15
Detroit 13
Islanders 12
New Jersey 11
Washinton 11
Tampa Bay 11
Carlina 10
Pittsburgh 10
Boston 10
Buffalo 10
Florida 10
Ottawa 9
Toronto 9
Rangers 7
Montreal 7
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Here are the number of own draft picks per team
Western Conference
St Louis 14
LA 14
Nashville 12
Chicago 12
Anaheim 12
Winnipeg 12 (14 when including Harkins & Niku)
Calgary 12
San Jose 10
Minnesota 10
Dallas 10
Edmonton 9
Vancouver 8
Arizona 7
Colorado 6
Vegas 2
Eastern Conference
Columbus 17
Philly 15
Detroit 13
Islanders 12
New Jersey 11
Washinton 11
Tampa Bay 11
Carlina 10
Pittsburgh 10
Boston 10
Buffalo 10
Florida 10
Ottawa 9
Toronto 9
Rangers 7
Montreal 7 - Wesley Peters
So essentially the Jets are no different than any other team, yet trumpet that they are a "draft & develop" franchise like they are unique from everyone else?
Could you also do a list of waiver wire pick-ups as well? |
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Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine... - Rexypoo
He would bring down their offensive production. |
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Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine... - Rexypoo
Perreault should be piling up the points with all the offense his linemate Lowry produces on a nightly basis. |
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Perreault should be piling up the points with all the offense his linemate Lowry produces on a nightly basis. - BWJumper
Don't forget about Andrew Copp, he's an offensive Dynamo just waiting to explode! |
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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He would bring down their offensive production. - TheUltimateJet
That’s the opposite of what Perreault has done for his linemates for literally his entire NHL tenure, but I’m sure your right |
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Location: Yes Joined: 02.08.2016
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Don't forget about Andrew Copp, he's an offensive Dynamo just waiting to explode! - TheUltimateJet
You guys are idiots. I don’t know how many times I have to say the problem with each of those 3 is that they aren’t shooters. They all drive play, create chances, and defend at a high level. None of them are goal scorers.
Put Perreault with Scheifele and Laine, and Copp between Connor and Wheeler. That is how you get results.
9-17-85 is a line built for keep away shutdown hockey, not scoring. |
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Easier probably, but it's also a lazy excuse for why the Jets are a mediocre team.
A player doesn't get a NMC until his RFA years are done. So Chevy could look into acquiring any of those players. He could go to capfriendly and search players who don't have any clauses in their contract, or at worst he could follow TSN insiders on twitter who post rumors like Buffalo is interested in trading a defenceman, or Honka has requested a trade from Dallas, and call up the GM's of those teams and get deals done. - BWJumper
Of course RFA's can be acquired, evidence is the fact that we have Pionk. But you have to have a RFA you want - and is available. It takes two to tangle. I am pretty sure that the Jets management know the contract status of all NHL players, and likely the minor leagues ones as well.
I'm also sure they know who's available - and at what cost - before the NHL Insiders. But you have to want that player, say Honka. A 5'11" d-man, is he really any better than what we have? And if he was decent, would Dallas trade him within the division? Lots of factors come into play, including price, as you know.
As it stands right now, the Jets need to sit tight, and see if they're buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. Desperately need a win tonight!
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Imagine if Perreault played more. Like say, next to Scheifele and Laine... - Rexypoo
It would be good for Perreault, but it would sure drag the other 2 down.
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Of course RFA's can be acquired, evidence is the fact that we have Pionk. But you have to have a RFA you want - and is available. It takes two to tangle. I am pretty sure that the Jets management know the contract status of all NHL players, and likely the minor leagues ones as well.
I'm also sure they know who's available - and at what cost - before the NHL Insiders. But you have to want that player, say Honka. A 5'11" d-man, is he really any better than what we have? And if he was decent, would Dallas trade him within the division? Lots of factors come into play, including price, as you know.
As it stands right now, the Jets need to sit tight, and see if they're buyers or sellers at the trade deadline. Desperately need a win tonight! - grahamzky
So just wait around for draft picks to develop then?
Solely relying on "drafting and developing" is not working, he needs to make a trade. There's RFA'S in the eastern conference that are rumored to be available for a reasonable acquisition cost, there were some minor trades this season of players that didn't cost a whole lot to acquire that would've helped the Jets but we weren't in on them for whatever reason.
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So just wait around for draft picks to develop then?
Solely relying on "drafting and developing" is not working, he needs to make a trade. There's RFA'S in the eastern conference that are rumored to be available for a reasonable acquisition cost, there were some minor trades this season of players that didn't cost a whole lot to acquire that would've helped the Jets but we weren't in on them for whatever reason. - JetFuel
Who needs to draft players, trade for quality assets or sign free agents, when we have the waiver wire warrior in Chevelallseasonoff as our GM. No other GM scouts the waiver wire for such treasures as Sbisa, Shore, Dahlstrom, and Comrie, like Chevy. In the waiver wire warrior, I trust! |
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Get Perreault off the RW position. It's not working. |
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Location: Winnipeg, MB Joined: 02.11.2015
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It would be good for Perreault, but it would sure drag the other 2 down. - bennythehat
Perreault is clearly not talented enough anymore to play on the top two lines. The guy has been virtually invisible this year and especially in the last 5 games. I rarely see him even touch the puck.
As for the deluge of sudden naysayers about the Jets, the mgmt, Maurice, etc....I find it appalling. Most of you have become a bunch of fair-weather fans. Glass half empty.
I just don't see it the same way. Chevy and Maurice have been operating with a team that has been plagued with injuries and some bad luck. Including Buff this team has been operating with about 20-25% of their salary cap not playing for a good portion of this season. Our top defensive player Little has been out most of the season. Another big defensive player in Copp has missed a month. Buff gone all year. almost half our defensemen were claimed off waivers, etc. All this , plus the loss of several good UFA's. If not for outstanding coaching and management plus some excellent goaltending we should not remotely be competing for a playoff spot right now.
I just shake my head at all you naysayers. A true Jets fan does not beat up on the team and its coach so badly the minute we lose a few games. Top-notch teams like Tampa and talented teams like Calgary until recently were non-playoff teams. No coaches getting fired there, yet Maurice is somehow under the gun for outperforming just about everyone's expectations vs the reality of the situation. Shameful. You should all be thankful we are still in contention.
Jets are a draft and develop team and you don't just suddenly throw in the towel on promising talent with lots more upside like Roslovic or Niku just because we may not make the playoffs. Jets do need some help and likely have some decent cap space to act, but best to wait till we are closer to the deadline to make a move. I would suggest some third line scoring punch, maybe some 4th line upgrade, and depending on Buff, maybe another offensive defenseman....all when the time comes.
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Perreault is clearly not talented enough anymore to play on the top two lines. The guy has been virtually invisible this year and especially in the last 5 games. I rarely see him even touch the puck.
As for the deluge of sudden naysayers about the Jets, the mgmt, Maurice, etc....I find it appalling. Most of you have become a bunch of fair-weather fans. Glass half empty.
I just don't see it the same way. Chevy and Maurice have been operating with a team that has been plagued with injuries and some bad luck. Including Buff this team has been operating with about 20-25% of their salary cap not playing for a good portion of this season. Our top defensive player Little has been out most of the season. Another big defensive player in Copp has missed a month. Buff gone all year. almost half our defensemen were claimed off waivers, etc. All this , plus the loss of several good UFA's. If not for outstanding coaching and management plus some excellent goaltending we should not remotely be competing for a playoff spot right now.
I just shake my head at all you naysayers. A true Jets fan does not beat up on the team and its coach so badly the minute we lose a few games. Top-notch teams like Tampa and talented teams like Calgary until recently were non-playoff teams. No coaches getting fired there, yet Maurice is somehow under the gun for outperforming just about everyone's expectations vs the reality of the situation. Shameful. You should all be thankful we are still in contention.
Jets are a draft and develop team and you don't just suddenly throw in the towel on promising talent with lots more upside like Roslovic or Niku just because we may not make the playoffs. Jets do need some help and likely have some decent cap space to act, but best to wait till we are closer to the deadline to make a move. I would suggest some third line scoring punch, maybe some 4th line upgrade, and depending on Buff, maybe another offensive defenseman....all when the time comes. - jetsnation
I agree with the point about Perreault.
The point about management and coaching is in direct contradiction with your point about drafting and developing. Management has had 9 years to draft and develop defensemen that would eventually take over Myers, Chariot and Byfuglien's positions. Chariot and Byfuglien have been here since day 1. After one left via free agency and the other screwed the Jets over by not indicating his true intentions, the Jets should have at least had 2-3 guys in the A that should have been "developed" to take over their spots. Coaching is responsible for developing talent. How many guys has Maurice realistically developed? I do not see how playing Roslovic on the fourth line for 2 years at 6 minutes a game is development. But you are free to show me how that's worked for him.
As for Copp, show me a team that does not experience injuries.
Finally, if it were not for Hellebyuck's stellar play, this team would be so far in the basement of the NHL that we would be nowhere near where we are at.
Just some Ultimate thoughts for a Tuesday morning..... |
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So just wait around for draft picks to develop then?
Solely relying on "drafting and developing" is not working, he needs to make a trade. There's RFA'S in the eastern conference that are rumored to be available for a reasonable acquisition cost, there were some minor trades this season of players that didn't cost a whole lot to acquire that would've helped the Jets but we weren't in on them for whatever reason. - JetFuel
Not saying that we strictly sit tight, but maybe wait and see what RFA's are available near the trade deadline as don't imagine teams with playoff dreams are selling right now. Firstly we have to determine if we're selling or buying.
What players are rumored to be available in the East that you have heard of that could help the Jets and keep us ok salary cap wise? |
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cold hard facts,
winning the cup is not easy and 95% of the NHL are exactly like us, so yes, we are very hard on players and staff in here when the reality is we are just like most teams in the NHL. We are not Ottawa, Detroit, Devils and a few others who have been bad for a while now, far from it.
those thinking trades and signing players to come to Winnipeg is some easy peasy task are out to lunch
we have a lot of talent on this team and locked up, the future is still very bright!!! anyone thinking its not is also out to lunch
would it be interesting to see what a new coach and GM would do? of course!! does it guarantee a cup, absolutely not!!!
does a big trade guarantee a cup, absolutely not
does moving copp, Perreault and lowry to our 4th line and acquiring a new third line even move the needle that much, absolutely not
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